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wilkesyachtingco
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disclaimer- there are so many of these dumb 9/11 conspiracy threads that i was not about to look through all of them to see if this has already been posted so...

i get really sick of the trillions of threads on this crap, and have never really wanted to take the time to post in those "check out this internet video about 9/11" posts that are generally cooked up by one particular usa hater...

well, now i dont have to! maddox did it for me! great!

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

suck it whores.
Aug 6 2006 12:49PM
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.John.
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If maddox said it, it must be true!

I personally have no idea weather or not tere was a conspiracy, but all I have to say is, we hear about crooked governments every day on the news. why would our government be the only clean government in the world?
Aug 6 2006 1:07PM
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almostaskier
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Thank you, i was just about to post that.
Aug 6 2006 1:09PM
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almostaskier
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If the logic holds, then yes.
Aug 6 2006 1:09PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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theres a difference between being crooked and doing whats alleged by these crackpots.
Aug 6 2006 2:04PM
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Kevo
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yeah that was pretty damn good
Aug 6 2006 2:10PM
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bsmith01
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I think those conspiracy vids make some good points but there is still one thing: I dont think the government would kill >3000 innocent people. I would also like to see a well put out video going against the conspiracys.
Aug 6 2006 2:33PM
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NomenClature
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hahaha

the US gov is the dirtiest in the world. We regularly commit "acts of terrorism"

were on OK terms with Hezbollah

We helped create al quida

Osama was created (in wealth and power) by the US

we killed many thousands of innocents in the bombing and subsequent invasion of Afghanistan and Irag.
Aug 6 2006 2:52PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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the link i gave has more links to step by step rebuttals of the more popular conspiracy ideas.
Aug 6 2006 3:08PM
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weenox
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give me a fuckin break....,i'm sure we purposely created al quaida, purposely made osama what he is, and purposely killed countless civilians.  i mean shit, we're america.  we love death and destruction and killing innocent people.  we've done nothing for the world but kill and maim and not doing anything for the good of mankind.



Aug 6 2006 3:12PM
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wAy2sTeEzY4u
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haha, some good points the 20 dollar bill thing is retarded in the first place cuz the bills were made before the towers. the glenn beck dollar bill trick is funny shit.
Aug 6 2006 3:15PM
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almostaskier
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For the rest, read thishahaha

We're the dirtiest in the world? Pardon me, but does the name Robert Mugabe say anything to you? Does genocide mean anything to you? What about our good freind Menta Li Ill over there in North Korea? He's a sweell guy, starving his whole country. What about Iran? They're friggin saints compared to us right?

We're on OK terms with Hezbollah? That's why we, along with the french, passed a resolution 1552 aiming to get rid of them as quickly as possible under UN law? And why we support Israel in their bid to destroy them?

We helped osama beat the russians, and trained him. But im afraid we don't currently sponsor him... maybe a few oil sheiks took up the relay...

Yeah, it's called a war, and collateral, as horrible as it is, happens. I think we're still a few hundred thousand off of the intentional gasing of the Kurds though...

Keep smoking that reefer boy.

For the rest, read this:



http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
Aug 6 2006 3:18PM
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weenox
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don't worry man, nobody will care about that link.  nobody cares about anything you or that guy has to say because it all makes too much sense.  your common sense is too good.  nobody wants to be believe that america isnt a piece of shit government that loves to cause death and destruction. 
Aug 6 2006 3:18PM
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skiierman
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Dude you're an idiot to think that. I don't know why you think we are alright with Hezbollah, but we certainly are not. We didn't create Al-Qaeda, we helped supply them against invading forces, same with Osama. Thousands of innocent people? Are you on fucking crack man? We are at war, they are using civilians as weapons, it's a new war one that isn't black and white. Think about going into a crowded market not knowing if an "innocent" right next to you is just going to keep on walking, or whip out an AK 47 and blow your fucking head off. Oh and thousands where NOT killed in the bombings you douche bag. God you ignorant piece of shit, you piss me off.
Aug 6 2006 3:19PM
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almostaskier
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crap, i forgot. Sorry about that.

"Don't let your mind be so open it starts falling out all over the place"
Aug 6 2006 3:20PM
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RockandRollTroll
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I could not read that and take you seriously.
Aug 6 2006 4:35PM
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skicraze123
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nothings happened its all just a figment of your imagination
Aug 6 2006 5:41PM
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r5tommy
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questioning popular belief is important but people can get carried away 
Aug 6 2006 5:56PM
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jksl
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i saw him on 42nd street sellin biggie t shirts 2 for 10 dollars man! tupac lives!
Aug 6 2006 5:57PM
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Ryno
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That site is even more bullshit then the Loose Change video
Aug 6 2006 7:01PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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Howabout the link to the popular mechanics site that goes through everything? id say thats slightly reputable. wouldnt you?
Aug 6 2006 7:18PM
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RudyGarmisch
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He mean Maddox.
Aug 6 2006 7:26PM
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Holte
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hard to say. Most people wouldn't hear about that kid dying in a car accident. Even if it did make the news, i doubt the fact that some kid who died in a car accident had put out a conspiracy video on the internet would make people overly suspicious of the US gov.
Aug 6 2006 7:35PM
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MitchPee
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I know plenty of people have ripped on you already, but I have to too.

You're ignorant on terms of how Osama came to power. He was rich from his father's business. Osama made himself powerful. We have never ever funded Al Qaeda. We did fund what it was before Al Qaeda, but we never funded the initial orginization that attacked us on Sept. 11. Osama was a leader of a muslim anti-russian extremist group and I can't remember the name, but I couldn't pronounce it if you gave me 10 bucks.

We don't commit acts of terror. We provide the necessity (along with most other countries in the world), but we don't pull the trigger or detonate the bomb.

We are not on ok terms with Hezbollah. They attacked one of our major allies. We aren't on "ok" terms with them. I don't know what site you are getting your info off, but right now the best thing you can do is completely forget everything you "know" about the US government and go read some books by foreign members of UN and weapons trade orginizations. Read something that actually has some fact, not skepticism. I'm sick of seeing kids like yourself brag about "knowing" things that you have no idea about. Thank you and goodnight.
Aug 6 2006 7:46PM
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Ryno
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I could write a novel or 10 on how this statement is false...
Aug 6 2006 7:52PM
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Timmy_G
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Haha good way to think about it.
Aug 6 2006 7:59PM
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St.Steezy
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The US is equally responsible for 9/11 as the middle east is.
Aug 6 2006 7:59PM
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Ryno
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that is a very good way to look at it.


What is "right" is totally subjective...
Aug 6 2006 8:05PM
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MitchPee
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Please list some. I was mostly implying the Middle Eastern funded fundamentalists.

If you are going to use the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, please don't even bother. Those aren't acts of terror.

If you are reffering to the Contras and South/Central American issues, yes I will somewhat agree with you we do commit "acts of terror", but initially we aren't the ones that pull the trigger. We are the ones giving the man the gun, telling him what to shoot, and rewarding him.
Aug 6 2006 8:16PM
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Ryno
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Some giving a man the gun, telling him who to shott and rewarding him isnt considered an act of terror?


Are you high?
Aug 6 2006 8:27PM
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MitchPee
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That's why I said I somewhat agree with you. Like I said though, we don't pull the trigger or blow up the bomb. I'm not trying to say what we do is legit, but we aren't the only country that does it. Where do you think the prime weapon of choice of Muslim extremists (AK47) comes from? Kalishnakov sounds like a Russian name to me.
Aug 6 2006 8:31PM
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Tom.
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im sorry i cant read that, what were u trying to say?

im serious, and not being a jackass
Aug 6 2006 8:31PM
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Holte
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Accepting bribes is crooked. Lying to the public is crooked. Money laundering is crooked. Killing 3000 innocent people is not crooked. It is a heinous evil. I simply cannot believe that any mentally healthy human could justify killing 3000 of their own people for any means. No reward is worth living with that.
Aug 6 2006 9:15PM
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skiierman
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Actually it's not... well depending on your definition of terror. If it's terror as in relation to terrorism, then no it isn't. Terrorism is inflicting/inbedding fear into the people to manipulate them thus using them to lead to whatever means that want to be met. You can even to go as far as to say that the color coded "terror alert system" they had in place was an act of terrorism by the government to put fear/terror into us thus relying on them even more so for our protection. This could very well influence say oh I don't know... a presidential election. (note that I'm not trying to say that the president was any way behind the 9-11 attacks, that's just retarded). Now you all remember hearing about that on the news how we are at "orange" alert and shit like that. Since the 2004 elections, how many alerts have you heard about on the news? None.
That's just an example of terrorism, but the point I'm trying to make is that... wait, I completely diverged from what I was trying to talk about and made a completely different statement. Fuck me, damnit.
Aug 6 2006 10:22PM
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Apple
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not even if its to allow a million people to continue living? a billion?
Aug 6 2006 10:46PM
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grubix2
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Come now... don't be so naive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres



Aug 6 2006 10:52PM
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Beamer12
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i love that guy..he dosent bullshit around.i could read his stuff for hours
Aug 6 2006 10:55PM
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CooksCorner
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Ya dude, and we're comming after you next!
Aug 6 2006 11:24PM
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asac
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Anyone one who believes loose change is a complete moron. it seems like people have lost faith in their leaders and i don't think there are enough corrupt individuals in our country for that to be possible.
read this link
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
Aug 6 2006 11:33PM
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wAy2sTeEzY4u
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hahahaha,sorry.

please explain sir.
Aug 7 2006 12:14AM
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grubix2
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That site does just as poor of a job as loose change in citing information. They have a nice references section at the end. BUT they give no indication throughout the article where the sources are used. They could have easliy wrote that and piled all of those at the end.

Loose Change does a terrible job of that as well. Thats why it is my least favorite version of the conspiracy. While they bring up some good points, a lot of it is farfetched. Read the books sometime with the more plausible theory.

Loose Change is just picked on so much, because it's a movie. Easy access to people that don't want to read a book. And it deserves to be picked on.


Aug 7 2006 1:28AM
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Holte
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I am not being naive. It's been proven for years and years that 90% of all murderers have on average 2 or more mental disorders, and around 50% have a history of drug abuse. About 8% of the remaining murders are murders of passion.

Now, using these statistics, what you are suggesting is that most of the Bush Administration and US intelligence agencies are either drastically mentally unhealthy (BTW, Bush was delcared mentally healthy last week after his annual physical), or they had a personal vendetta against the 3000 people killed on 9/11. Both of these conclusions seem a little far fetched to me.
Aug 7 2006 1:50AM
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wilkesyachtingco
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oh geeze. murders arent the same thing as casualties of war. get lost.
Aug 7 2006 2:10AM
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jarossamdb7
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yea. I have to say, I wouldnt trust the TV anymore then the internet...
Aug 7 2006 2:21AM
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pbandj
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ok so you're going to tell me that invading a country who has never attacked the us or murdered a us civillian until the war isn't an act of terror? how about the fact that iraq obviously didn't have wmd's and there were no terrorists in iraq until the u.s. occupation. you gotta sit down and think about what a terrorist attack really is. on top of all of that i believe that the u.s. government terrorizes it's own people so that they'll support whatever the fuck they wanna do
Aug 7 2006 2:34AM
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jarossamdb7
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"Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

Whatever reason it may be that the government supposedly orchestrated this conspiracy, it must have been worth it to them to cause so much suffering and loss of life. So if there's any truth to this, then you can bet your ass that the government wouldn't let a couple of pecker-neck chumps with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet. I can picture you morons emailing me now: "BUT MADOX, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT LOL." Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's shit-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision." Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history--with military precision no less--is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some college losers within days, if not minutes of its creation?

I win. There is no conspiracy. Eat my shit, losers."

thats not true. they would have done that in times past. but they cant get away with that now. the media may be shitty, but the media is not that shitty. The media wouldnt just let slide withought exposing the government.

the attacks on the other hand, is carried out how these videos suggest, COULD have been put on by the govnt.



"1. The man in the picture above is Dylan Avery. To be more precise, the fact that Dylan, his friends, and family are alive, is proof that "Loose Change" is bullshit. He, along with a couple of his friends, created a 9/11 conspiracy video claiming that the US government and the military caused 9/11. Take a closer look at the last part of that last sentence: he's claiming that the US government, for whatever ends, killed nearly 3,000 innocent Americans, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of more lives in the conflicts that ensued because of it."

Overall I have found after looking at it, that the govnt has gotten a little smarter. you see, during Vietnam the gov would rebuttle protestes and conspiricies. now more recently, they have found that if they just ignore the protests and cnspiricys, they become less of a threat in terms of the average dumb ass american beliving them.


i enjoy maddox, but he cant be taken serously (and I would have thought that was obvious..)
Aug 7 2006 2:35AM
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almostaskier
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Exactly, and you're confusing the two.

Starting an unjustified war is not an act of terror in and of itself. An act of terror is something that is meant to terrify, destabilize and inspire fear in a country, which is what the WTC attacks were. Pearl Harbor was not a terrorist attack, it was an act of war.

Likewise, the USA attacking Iraq, and i am not justifying it, was an act of war, not terror.

The media in the USA, mainly Fox from what i've seen, does a great job at making people afraid of things that really shouldn't conscern you, but that doesn't mean they are being terrorists: they are being sensationalists.

Ryan, give me some acts of <b>terror</b> from the USA,because i am having a hard time thinking of any that were notscrewy actions in a war time situation...

Grubix, how is the Loose Change guide as bad as LC when it comes to not citing accurate sources? the manuscripts are in the rebuttle, there are links and everything is sourced. Also, his logic of CT's not knowing what a building collapse due to planes crashing an subsequent fire and yet saying it could not have happened that way seems sound...
Aug 7 2006 7:07AM
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Ryno
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i was drunk...
Aug 7 2006 9:17AM
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t-rent
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FUCK THE GOVERMENT YO
Aug 7 2006 10:17AM
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MitchPee
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Hmmm, no WMD's. What were the trucks headed into the Syrian boarder for? Just a coincidence?

We knew they had WMD's because we helped fund them back in the 80's. I bet you've never heard of Abu Nidal. A group based out of Iraq. Responsible for the assassination of Jordanese Royalty and many bombings in Israel.

Saddam killed thousands of sunnis because of the religious difference. That's genocide my friend. Genocide is something that doesn't go unnoticed or unpunished.

Get your facts straight. The government doesn't terrorize us. They throw propaganda in our face, but not terror. I still can think for myself plenty well.
Aug 7 2006 10:24AM
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sn0wbl0w
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thats shit is messed up..there is so much evidence of a concpericy but there is also alot of evidence agianst it
Aug 7 2006 12:29PM
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