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A Trick Guide: The difference between bio, cork, d-spin, misty, rodeo and the ambiguous underflip

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RudyGarmisch
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Before reading this, I’d just like you to know that this was my best attempt at this, and that it took me two hours to get this together. I have a huge archive of good NS video’s on my computer, but its damn hard finding the original pages in the video section of NS.

Another cool note here too: These are all video’s from NS members! Way to go guys, some of these video’s are damn classy. I kinda had fun making this because I got to see how much talent our members have. We rock! Check out the video’s below if you don’t believe me.

(Disclaimer: If you see yourself in a video that I’ve used and want to have it removed (for some reason I really cannot imagine, you did post it for the public) then just PM me, I’ll talk to a Mod and get it removed for you.)

Thanks, enjoy what I’ve come up with:


Cork
A cork is a off axis spin that is leaned back, but so that the rider does not go inverted at any point. It is a popular trick, and many pro’s and amateurs do these very well.

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http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1144005846cork3.wmv
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1774ticarlcork360.wmv
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/4438scottcork3tocork5.wmv
(This also has a good cork 5 at the end, keep watching)

-540
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1148569236Adri%20cork%205.mov
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1140468939Alex%20tail5.wmv

-720
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1143497346oli%20cork%207%20tail+flair.avi
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1138038684cork.wmv
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1143581347bigairjay%20002.mpg

-900
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/11313384783326corked9.wmv
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/8125cock900.mov


Bio
A forward corking non-inverted spin. Note the lean the rider has forwards at about 360. Also, see CR Johnson in SM2, SM3 or Propaganda, he does them best.

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http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/9225LaneBio7Bittersweet.mov
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1136497019PICT3399.AVI

-900
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/2373FRANZIBIO9.wmv
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1142189041Bio_9.wmv

-1080
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/5819sw1080.wmv
(it’s a switch bio 10, but it works, note the lean in the rotation)

D-spin
Set the same way a cork is, but is more leaned back. A d-spin is essentially any cork where you become inverted. In all of these videos note how the feet will go above the head. Evan Raps does these very well, also see Mike Douglas.

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http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/adamlynam_dspinedit.mov
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/2368Eddy-D-spin720Cross.mp4
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/3791d-spin7.wmv

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http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1137812618Skiing%20-%20D-Spin900LuiKang.mpg (haha, oh Boyd, how I miss you)
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/d9sg.mov
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/dspiedge9.mov
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/thovexdspin9%5B1%5D.avi


Rodeo
A rodeo is not an off axis spin like a cork, d-spin or bio. It is a spin with a FULL inversion, aka, the riders feet at some point in the spin go directly OVER his or her head. Rodeo’s are essentially a backflip with a spin. See Mark Abma in Yearbook for a very sick and slowed down Rodeo 7. Also, Mike Wilson rules at these, see Ready, Fire, Aim for some huge ones.

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http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/MikeHelligan-Rodeo5Mute.wmv
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/2850rodeo540me!!.wmv

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http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/nortonflat7.wmv
https://www.newschoolers.com/ns3/web/content/videos.php?vid=276& (This one actually is Mike Wilson, way back in 2002)


Misty
A Misty is the counterpart of the Rodeo. It is a spin with a front flip. Note in these how you can see the skis go OVER the persons head and wrap around. (Note; some people call these overflips. However, I find this term misleading, because you would think that the opposite of an overflip is an underflip, or a rodeo. However, this is not the case, as you will see from the Underflip section)

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http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1144966373misty%205%20decembre%202005.avi
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/7229misty5.mpg
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/9770viken_misty.wmv

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http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1145688372nick%20misty.mov
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/8583rossfalcone.WMV
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/763mitch.mpg


Flair’s and Underflips
First, about Flaires: Flairs are essentially backflip 180’s. They are usually done in the pipe (Heres Ian Cosco, watch his third hit for a good one: http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/9591Ianhugeflairrun.mov), but can be done off a normal jump. Because a 360 in a pipe would land you switch however, landing a flair in the pipe you come out going normal. Thus, flairs off a park jump have you landing switch. (Sorry that’s confusing, I’ve reworded it twice and that’s the best I’ve got). Heres a video:

Flair- http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1143773843stupide%20flair%20to%20switch%20beche.avi

People also commonly call this an underflip, so I’ll agree to that. This is not a rodeo 5 (look at the way the rotation is set, there is a difference). People either need to define Underflips as either Rodeo 5’s or as Flairs. A Flair is not a Rodeo 5: yet people commonly call both Underflips.

So that it. I personally don’t use “underflip” at all. In my opinion, it’s a bad term all around. There are many kinds of spins and inverts that go “under” but they aren’t all the same type (d-spin’s and rodeo’s for example – some guy will always claim your d-spin is an underflip). Thus, I hope we can get past the whole “underflip” thing and just use more appropriate terms. If you want to call a flair out of the pipe an underflip, go ahead, just keep your damn definitions consistent.



Anyways, I hope you enjoyed this brief and far from ultimate trick dictionary and guide. As always, I expect your criticism and mockery, but I hope that this will help clear things up for some people. I wish I could edit this as we get better video’s, but alas. Maybe if a mod takes pity or if this gets stickied.
May 30 2006 7:46PM
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Shadows
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oooooOOOOOOooooooo
sticky
May 30 2006 7:47PM
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chrismoJBEATS
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sticky
May 30 2006 7:52PM
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[lineskier]820
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thy thread shalt be stickitized as weir d as that sounds
May 30 2006 7:55PM
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bighit
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it only took the entire life of NS up untill this point to make a correct list (with examples) of tricks and how they are done and what they are....ill give u three propellers my friend, four bladed propellers becasue this is sick
May 30 2006 7:59PM
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sktrkdo7
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dood that was sick i always confuse mistys n rodeos... and now i know!
May 30 2006 8:02PM
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JockinJLoads
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fishin for a stickyyyyy
May 30 2006 8:05PM
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ski_cartel
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agreed, sticky this, cause iv heard these questions sooo many times
May 30 2006 8:09PM
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Peter.
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sticky it i was just about to post asking for what a cab is
May 30 2006 8:15PM
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Holte
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This is one of those threads that will be referenced for years.
May 30 2006 8:16PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I didnt do any cab/switch tricks, sorry. But they're just the same, save the skier starts off backwards.
May 30 2006 8:25PM
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p-a
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nice, but you forgot flatspin
May 30 2006 8:33PM
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meggles
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sticky!!! this thread is awesome
thank you!
May 30 2006 8:34PM
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dweezileast
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rekker man, you make the best threads of all time, first the hand drawn skiing sequences thread, then this.. damn man
May 30 2006 8:36PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I know, I left it out intentionally. Its kind a rare trick to see, and I have yet to find a really good clear example of one. If you have a video of one, send it to me, I'll see if I can get a mod to insert it.
May 30 2006 8:37PM
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bpalmer
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Yeah and your second rodeo 5 video IS a flatspin, as well as your mike wilson misty 7. I'm not really sure what it is but I can't call it a misty unless it's upside down.
May 30 2006 8:41PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I am 100% certian that those are respectively a Rodeo 5 and a Rodeo 7.

Flatspins are like... what Eric Pollard does in Yearbook, that crazy 900. I told you, I have yet to find a really clear flatspin. They are easily confused with a rodeo, granted, but there is a difference.
May 30 2006 8:44PM
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Bees_Knees
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yeah i dont know what a flatspin is
May 30 2006 8:45PM
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BigJew
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PM up *AndrewT* they're like his favourite trick and he'll for sure have a video.
May 30 2006 8:47PM
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TheQuailman
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ugh, you totally stole my idea and mine was the "official" guide so its better

jk jk

but yea, nice job compiling all this
May 30 2006 8:50PM
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meggles
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yay!! its sticky!!
heh i have no idea what a flatspin is either...
May 30 2006 8:52PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Done, hopefully the video will be good. Thanks for the suggestion!
May 30 2006 8:52PM
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Anti-Hero
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this thread is golden
May 30 2006 8:56PM
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RudyGarmisch
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http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1136409946mattox.wmv

There, that second jump looks like what I know a flatspin 7 to be. I have to go eat some dinner, but as I get more video's of them I'll try and edit the guide to include a Flatspin section. Thanks everyone! Oh, and if you have a video, post it here or PM me with it.
May 30 2006 8:56PM
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snoopy
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good thread, i actually learned something!
May 30 2006 8:57PM
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TheQuailman
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im going crazy! I don't see the difference between a misty and a rodeo! I know a rode is a backflip and spin but it looks like a frontflip and a spin!
May 30 2006 9:05PM
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SeanB
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mad props for putting this together man, hopefully it will clear things up for a lot of people and eliminate a deal of needless threads
May 30 2006 9:06PM
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SeanB
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*a great deal of threads, I'm retarded
May 30 2006 9:07PM
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Scratch*my*Back
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look at how he hucks. watch the vids again. watch the rodeo 720 and then the misty 720. you'll start to notice the difference in the begining of the jumps. you'll see how they huck back or forwards.its different.
May 30 2006 9:19PM
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alh10
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thanks for this...i got a little confused about some tricks...now i know just bc of you
May 30 2006 9:19PM
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Arabian.
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This is great! EVerything I've been saying for the past year in one easy thread plus clips! Thank you so much. Now we need one for grabs.
May 30 2006 9:24PM
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SnowRidgeParks
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very fine work, some of the rotations are so similar its still hard to tell the difference, but needless to say, all are sick, good job
May 30 2006 9:44PM
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SmoothLikeButter
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What about a Lincoln Loop
May 30 2006 9:45PM
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theBOSS.
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Ugh, I hate to say this, cause this is an amazing, much-needed thread, but I would somewhat disagree with several of those, mainly the rodeos. I'll keep my mouth shut though. Nice work.
May 30 2006 9:47PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Disagreement is fine, dont keep quiet. If you have a better video of a rodeo then I would love to edit this to make it better. PM or post the links.
May 30 2006 9:49PM
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nickwm21
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that is awesome... i never knew what a true underflip was and now i know there is no such thing! ill be excited if u add lincoln loop, flatspin, and that stupid dinnerroll!
May 30 2006 10:16PM
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fouldsys
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you are a genius man we needed one of these and i give you mad props for your time and effort
May 30 2006 10:17PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Sure, lincoln loop seems to be a popular one. I'll also add the Kangaroo flip (double flatspin) just for kicks. I'll try and get the changes in tomorrow, I have some papers to write and I feel awful (see NSG to see why).
May 30 2006 10:19PM
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r.w
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da da da da da im lovin' it
May 30 2006 10:22PM
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PimpDaddySkier
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STICKY ICKY ICKY!!!
May 30 2006 10:25PM
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McGill-X
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this thread is amazing!!!
May 30 2006 10:30PM
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A_E
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in the first bio video the last clip he does a kang, poked out
May 30 2006 10:36PM
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Desjardins
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this is proabably one of the best threads i have read since ive been here, definatley a good job
May 30 2006 10:44PM
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zemke
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so good
May 30 2006 11:22PM
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May 30 2006 11:33PM
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mckeeman
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Note to underflip comment.

you cant do an underflip if you dont know what it is. IT IS NOT A FLAIR (backflip 180). A perfect example is vincent dorion or chris turpin or myself. I have yet to see someone else execute this trick perfectly.

It is very close to the cork 540, but you have to get the pop right. Once you hit the lip you pop, sending your right arm up over your head. This will also create 90 deg of rotation. Once you are at that point you must look at the ground and try to turn it into a switch front flip. Another good way is to think 180 to sw front flip. An underflip is SO much different in axis and exit of rotation than a flair.

When you exit a flair, your last move to finish is a 90 deg rotation, and you generally end up with most of your weight downhill, or on your tails.

When you exit an Underflip, your rotation is already completed, and you exit the trick with the end of the flip. This essentially puts your momentum onto your tips, or the uphill side. You commonly see kids eating it to their face because they have overrotated the trick. Hence this trick being perfect for landing into pow. I tried it this year after 6 years of throwing the trick...Stomped the shit out of it in knee deep BC pow.

hope this clears things up... good thread though...you must have some free time.
May 30 2006 11:36PM
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FUUUCK
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a rodeo is not a backflip with a spin, if it was it would look like a backflip with a spin


also your feet are not always directly above your head in a rodeo or a misty


heres how a rodeo makes sense in my head:

spin to the right and drop your left shoulder




also if you want to see an overflip, watch peter olenick in war
May 30 2006 11:44PM
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FUUUCK
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***your feet do not alwaya go above your head in a rodeo***
May 30 2006 11:45PM
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May 30 2006 11:51PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Thanks Ryan (it is Ryan, right?), that actually helps my definition a lot. In these terms (if i understand):

-Flair: Backflip then 180

-Underflip: 180 to Bacflip (which at that point in the rotation is really a frontflip)


Cool, and I need to add Vinnie as a reference, he did (does?) really nice ones.



And yeah, I'm sick, feel terrible and am trapped at my computer. Figured I could do something with all the downtime.
May 31 2006 12:20AM
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RudyGarmisch
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people have sent me some vids of a few flatspins, and here is my theory as to why they look different:

In a flatspin, you set it the same way as a rodeo, but at a slightly different axis. This axis causes you to flip to the side. You become inverted, but, your feet never come directly over your head.

In a rodeo, you set your rotation, but not to the side, as in a flatspin. This way, you do your rotations and flip, and at some point, your feet are directly above your head (basically your body axis is upside down). Yes, it is possible for ones feet to not be directly over your head, but it usually happens. Just think about a line extending through you from your head to your toes when you stand up.In a rodeo, this line ends up completely inverted at some point (although your feet can be somewhere else, like leaned back in a tail or a mute or something) while in a flatspin, this line never reaches true vertical.


With this definition, I know it creates a sort of blurry line between rodeo and flatspin, especially when you take into consideration the types of jumps these are sometimes done on (like, what happens when you set this rotation over a spine?). Still, although there is this somewhat fuzzy boundry, few video's and athletes will ever do a trick that ends up in this area. I think with this definition, most can be segregated into either a flatspin or a rodeo.

http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1137441951flats.wmv

Heres a great example in this video from *AndrewT*. I immediately called the first one a rodeo and the second a flatspin, but on closer examination, they both are flatspin 5's (by this definition). The line's are a little blurry, but hey, it works for the mostpart.


Anyways, input? Agree, disagree? Should I make this definition final or does it need to be changed?
May 31 2006 12:30AM
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