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A slight up rail, didn't have enough speed then almost nutted, but where the rail goes into the snow is where my ski hit it directly. I figured it would just deflect off but nope. Im still a little puzzled.
My buddies vice's from this year snapped from landing backseat on a rodeo 5, jump was only like 15ft. He contacted Moment, they basically told him to fuck off.
Unless you split the ski down the middle the long way, this has NOTHING to do with you snapping the ski. A ski with a rounded tip and edges horseshoed around it would have gotten caught up too...and might have taken your ACL with it. Now I didn't see the crash, but it kinda sounds like those flat tips might have saved you from 6 months on the couch...
Hmmmm. Seems like everybody with Moment problems "landed" and they "snapped". Either Moment quality is terrible or people don't want to admit they landed wrong and snapped their skis.
I think the point of it all is that a rounded tip has a chance to slip left or right before the ski snaps, the square tips just get stuck. Fuck square tips.
My buddy and his coworkers at a tuning shop I know have worked on literally tens of thousands of skis since before Moment even existed, and they have terrible things to say about the durability. My opinion is, a ski shouldn't snap so easily, and if your paying big bucks for a ski, it should as good or better than the standard. Independent/younger brands shouldn't get any slack, sorry.
Exactly our local ski shop here in Reno advises people against moments even though they ate from the same city because they get so many in their shop broken
If you land shitty and spend the majority of your time on rails, your skis will break. The way some of you are describing your landings, I cant see any other outcome other than your skis snapping. These types of crashes/abuse are never (as far as I know) covered by any ski manufacturer and youre expected to know that when you buy the skis.
Seriously. You kids need to learn to land your shit before bashing a homegrown company for making a shitty product which they don't. The one time I landed an air badly (this was back in 2005 or 2006), I snapped a DPS ski in half. Guess what? It was my own damn fucking fault.
Sack the fuck up, admit that you're not the next Tom Wallisch, and learn to land better. Ski companies aren't out there to constantly hand you free skis just because you fucked up and suck at skiing.
Not gonna be as harsh as this guy (though he has a great point, we aren't all pros) but I will say that if your ski snaps like that I am guessing there were two possible outcomes to you falling:
1) The ski breaking
2) You badly injuring yourself and saying bye-bye to your knee
When things break like this, especially from a company like Moment who more than anything has great pride in how their skis ride NOT solely in their durability, unlike Line prides themselves on because people beat the crap out of their skis. it is probably due to your fuck up. Yeah you fell not too badly but you landed perfectly in such a way that the ski broke. Not all impacts can be absorbed by the flex of the ski and especially in the tips where there is rocker, so that means the core is a bit weaker in that area. I have had binding rip outs and tails break from landings, but I have to say that despite it being a crappy situation and breaking my equipment I am happy that it wasn't my knee or something else that broke instead.
Yeah Moment could replace them for you if they really wanted to as K2 has replaced skis for me in the past that have broken in similar situations (though I wasn't on rails, which could make a difference I guess), but it is not their responsibility to toss you free skis because you messed up.
I hope this isn't aimed at me, I never once bashed the company in anyway. I contacted Moment sharing my experience like I said before with no expectations, taking full responsibility of the break, even stating that I have a basic understanding of the warranty, and they took the initiative and want more info from me. If anything expressing my situation to them will help the company in building a file of breaks or other damages to better in making decisions about warranty in the future. This experience has not made me want to buy from a different company at all, and will most likely buy my new skis from them at the end of this season. some people need to chill, wait it's NS. nvm
Not aimed at you directly. Sorry for that... I'm just tired of people in general bashing a company I represent saying durability is shit when the opposite holds, especially since I've been exclusively on Moments since early 2006.
And while I don't ski park, I am hard on my gear and often ski over plenty of rocks. Maybe 3-4 core shots total in that time, and nothing more than the size of a dime. This past season, I helped make some skis and fixed a blown edge on the Team ski that was a good 8" long. It's still holding up after about 20+ days this year.
I think we're seeing enough evidence, and as I stated, the veteran tuners I know have every idea what the fuck they are talking about, far more than any of you on this entire website. I'm going to listen to them, not some nobody skier that says "I've had them for years and they haven't broken!" Most skis are supposed to take a bad landing, regardless.
no skis are made to land base to snow not getting stuck under a rail or straight over or under-rotated where the tip is jammed into the snow....a bad landing of just falling to your side yeah but other shit that involves straight butt fucking the snow = no