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Bodhisattva_
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They got arrested for a silent flash mob. I think they were annoying the hell out of the police but it's reason to take them down and pull a sick ass judo throw at 1:03.
May 30 2011 12:35AM
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zerospinskier
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Eh, again it is one of those things. Who knows the whole context. And the main point is that if someone of authority tells you to do something, and you completely disregard it, shit is going to happen.
May 30 2011 12:45AM
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Bodhisattva_
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Touche. I just think it was a bit excessive, but that's true that nobody knows the whole context because the camera starts when someone is already in cuffs.
May 30 2011 12:46AM
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Deezy
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if they are going to arrest you, you are pissing them off so either stop or dont be a bitch about it.
May 30 2011 12:50AM
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theBearJew
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May 30 2011 12:50AM
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corona
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all fine and dandy till they start kicking people out with cameras. that means they know they're doing something wrong.
May 30 2011 12:52AM
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corona
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but the justification is that it's a memorial, and any planned congregation is considered a protest (this part I'm not too sure about). and it might be considered very disrespectful.
May 30 2011 12:58AM
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corona
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dont know why I care, but here's the full story.


the flash mob was organized by some known activist.  the police know ahead of time that this dance flash mob was going to happen, and were there before is started. apparently there actually is a law in the US stating that you're not allowed to dance at memorials. The police told them they would be upholding this law and they would be arrested if they all started dancing. They did it anyways. They got arrested. maybe there was a bit of excessive force used, but they did exactly what they said they would do and were completely within the law
May 30 2011 1:09AM
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hablablaha
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yea so what? does that justify anything? does it justify the actions of Al-gaddafi to? he is an authority in his country..

May 30 2011 1:14AM
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ski_ENDUB
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I would've definitely tasered the guy in the cargo pants
May 30 2011 1:31AM
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1337
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all i heard was "this is america" and some other bullshit
May 30 2011 1:34AM
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stickski
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usually i'm on their side in these excessive force cases but these guys had it coming.. not sure what they were trying to prove but they didn't go about it the right way
May 30 2011 1:39AM
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Low
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"I was standing there kissing my girlfriend!"

Hahahaha What?
May 30 2011 1:39AM
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Proletariat.
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As pointed out above they were well within their rights to break up this event
May 30 2011 1:42AM
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highindasky55
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There's no justifying this, just another overextension of police power into our lives. A court just recently decided to include "expressive dancing" as a method of protest and effectively banned dancing at memorials like Jefferson's (which is hilarious, because if Jefferson were alive to watch this video he would be ashamed of our government and want the law removed instantly). These people planned on coming to dance in protest of the ruling... so in a way they came there to get arrested. But the cops had no grounds to handle the situation like they did.

Dancing is one of the purest forms of human expression, so I'm baffled by the fact that the court thinks they have a right to ban it anywhere. Add it to the list of bullshit laws I suppose, seems to be growing every day. Welcome to the USA, were you'll get by just fine as long as you agree with us at every turn and never EVER question our authority... pretty damn sad that people aren't angrier already
May 30 2011 1:49AM
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zerospinskier
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It looks like the other 90% of the apparent flash mob got out fine. Why? Because they were mature enough to agree when they were told that they should wrap it up and leave. If you are going to stand in front of an officer dancing like an idiot yelling "I thought this was America!" as they try to ask you to leave, what do you expect them to do? You are acting completely disrespectful with the maturity of a 4 year old. That isn't a protest, it is just retarded disrespect.
May 30 2011 2:06AM
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Janky
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not even police brutality, idiots like these are ruining our country (along with many other things)
May 30 2011 2:09AM
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Leeyum
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and everyone watches and says nothing... the punishment certainly didn't fit the "so called: crime.
May 30 2011 2:14AM
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Doug.
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Troll?
May 30 2011 2:17AM
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steeze-free_lee
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I second that I am really surprised the cargo pants guy didn't get tazed. What a toolbelt.
May 30 2011 2:19AM
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hablablaha
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The whole point of the protest, from what i understand, is that they are banning dancing on fairly sketchy grounds. so to protest against that, they dance, just to point out how ridiculous it is to be arrested for dancing.

The thing is. If it's so stupid. why would the police even bother? It's part of a fascist mentality to arrest someone just for the general principal of something when there is virtually no danger, or obstructing of justice going on.

May 30 2011 2:22AM
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Static
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your opinion on this issue is fucking retarded
May 30 2011 2:25AM
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hablablaha
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no.. why would someones authority be the actual justification of a questionable action? It's just stupid.
May 30 2011 2:25AM
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Doug.
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It may be a stupid law, but the cops are just doing there jobs that they HAVE to do.

They dealt with it and it didnt look like anyone got hurt. The people that got arrested were acting like morons. That one guy was dancing around while handcuffed. Thats not going to help the situation.. Imagine being one of those cops, how frustrating would it be dealing with those ppl.


That being said the law is retarded.
May 30 2011 2:27AM
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zerospinskier
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Why would you dance around and mock officer Joe Shmoe who had nothing to do with the passing of the law anyway? He is just doing his job. How does that help anything? Do you really feel like you are making the world a better place by disrespecting security/police at a national memorial like that?

People like the ones in the video only make things worse. If they are actually unhappy with a law, go do something that actually has a chance to make a change. Make petitions, go give input at local court forums, write letters to the state. But don't think you are helping by making an idiot of yourself in public, and making a police officer's day shitty.
May 30 2011 2:37AM
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hablablaha
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I agree with you, i don't want to blame the police officers individually neither. they have probably been dispatched there by their superiors and are just doing their job.

Still, i don't think the guys dancing around are in the wrong. they pretty much have to do that to get their point across to the general public. and to show how ridiculous the whole thing is.

I'm not an anarchist. far from it. But i believe that sometimes you actually just have to say fuck it to authority to show how ineffective the legislations are in practice.

Hopefully, someone smarter than me will explain this in a way that makes more sense.
May 30 2011 2:45AM
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Static
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May 30 2011 2:48AM
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zerospinskier
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There is nothing wrong with doing something about a law you feel is unjust. But what is represented in the video is a very lazy and inefficient way to achieve that goal. Most people like these guys don't give a shit about the actual law, the just show up because they love "sticking it' to law enforcement.
May 30 2011 2:51AM
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Doug.
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Ya i agree with you too.
But how often is someone actually going to be affected by this law.

Like "Fuck I cant go dance at that memorial cause they just outlawed it!"
(if that's what the law actually is, just read from above)
May 30 2011 2:51AM
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hablablaha
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience
May 30 2011 2:52AM
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Static
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John Q. Public. Fucking pigs.
May 30 2011 2:56AM
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hablablaha
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haha, yea. I guess there are a lot more important issues they could have "sacrificed" themselves for.
May 30 2011 2:57AM
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zerospinskier
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Sure, but did these people try and settle things in a mature manner first, with no avail? Nope. They went from 0 to unjust-communist-we're-fucked-we-need-to-have-a-demonstration-ASAP!!!

Civil disobedience isn't step 1 to fixing a problem....
May 30 2011 2:58AM
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zerospinskier
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He shows up because he gets paid to monitor that area, and will be fired if he doesn't do his job.
May 30 2011 3:00AM
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Static
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fight for your rights or lose them
May 30 2011 3:04AM
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hablablaha
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I guess this^. And this: "Most people like these guys don't give a shit about the actual law, the just show up because they love "sticking it' to law enforcement." is very true and also has to be taken in to account.

I don't want to go out of my way to defend the guys in the video. I just wanted to point out that authority doesn't justify anything if it doesn't have the support of the people it is supposed to protect.
May 30 2011 3:10AM
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fujarome
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actually in many states it's illegal to record or videotape someone without their consent. So even if they had a tape with the person confessing to a crime, if it wasn't taped with consent...the evidence would be thrown out.


Love the thomas jefferson being ashamed reference. Thomas Jefferson set out, along with the other founding fathers to create a nation of rich, white men. He'd likely be more ashamed about immigration problems. Despite being a champion of personal rights and small government, jefferson is also the only president to ever place a nationwide ban on all foreign trade.(all of the founding fathers are hilarious hypocritical about everything.)


And the rosa parks civil disobedience thing is an interesting point. Fun fact for you all, rosa parks wasn't just a random woman who got fed up and didn't want to move. Black rights movement groups had been placing people in the white sections in buses/theaters for months, trying to get attention. Rosa was one of them, and her story got picked up and they ran with it. In fact, another black woman did the exact same thing on the same bus line less than a year earlier, got arrested, and no publicity.

So while she is a champion of the civil rights movement...these people are in no way similar to here.



there's also a pretty big difference between civil disobedience to gain certain things such as education, desegregation, and equal employment opportunity vs civil disobedience to dance at the jefferson memorial.
May 30 2011 3:11AM
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zerospinskier
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lol. Basically sums a lot of this up.
May 30 2011 3:18AM
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Static
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so do you agree with the law, that dancing shouldn't be allowed at monuments?
May 30 2011 3:20AM
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fujarome
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personally i find it more bothersome that politicians actually met, debated, and voted on such a law.
May 30 2011 3:22AM
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zerospinskier
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O, personally I don't care. I don't ever plan on doing any huge, elaborate dancing with a shit load of people on a national monument any time soon. I doesn't make a difference to me.
May 30 2011 3:27AM
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hablablaha
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i'm gonna have to throw in another point of view here as well. The fact that it is such shitty think is also pretty bothersome. Why would any government want to micromanage it's citizens like that?
May 30 2011 3:31AM
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zerospinskier
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They just added attention drawing dancing to the list. I don't think it is that crazy. It was already illegal to give speeches, demonstrations, and picket at the memorial. They just wanted to add dancing to the list. The main reason was that it draws attention away from the memorial, and disrupts the solem, commemorating vibe that the memorial was created to show respect for.
May 30 2011 3:36AM
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zerospinskier
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I feel like the way I wrote that is terribly worded, and hardly makes sense. But you get the idea. I must be getting tired.
May 30 2011 3:38AM
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alex.bgk.
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they voted on a law the disallows protest at the location of national monuments.

based on that law, people were arrested for dancing as form of protest at national monument. those people then appealed the conviction, which eventually got to the supreme court? (not sure if it went that high), which ruled that such dancing is not protected under the first amendment as free speech because of how disrespectful it is to our nation's history. legislators have long been uninvolved in this
May 30 2011 3:42AM
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Bungholio
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guy in the white shirt doing mad haters gonna hate walk at 0:54 hahahahaha
May 30 2011 4:21AM
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k-rob
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FUCK YEAH POLICE OMG I LOVE POLICE 'MERICA!
May 30 2011 5:46AM
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I_Am_Mod
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damn hippies, the coppers shoulda popped their white stoney asses!
May 30 2011 6:39AM
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