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Shin Bang

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kamisdope
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I have terrible shin bang and just wanted to know the best way to help stop it.
Nov 21 2010 8:36PM
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GayWolf420
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You're either landing too far backseat or your boots don't fit properly. Its usually just your skin tissues on your tibias that cause the shinbang. Take a pencil or the side of your phone or anything with a side that is blunted and smooth out the tissue.
Nov 21 2010 8:39PM
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kamisdope
Posts: 91 - Karma: 244
alright thanks i'll try that, and yeah my boots are pretty damn old so that might have something to do with it too.
Nov 21 2010 8:43PM
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Freshbakedbread
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i got it today from skiing for maybe 3-4 hours hiking one rail... and my landings were not back seat. And still my left shin hurt reeal bad. I heard mouse pads help prevent it, and booster straps, but I feel like clamping the boots with booster straps sounds mideval and would hurt.
Nov 21 2010 8:43PM
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kamisdope
Posts: 91 - Karma: 244
i thought about the booster straps too but they look sketchy
Nov 21 2010 8:46PM
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kamisdope
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i want some!
Nov 21 2010 8:46PM
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Panchuk
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I would try switching to snowboarding, the boots are far more comfortable.
Nov 21 2010 8:50PM
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austinmetsch
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booster straps work amazingly well. having the liner really tight around your leg is what stops shin bang. shin bang is caused literally from banging your shins against the liner because it fits too big. get a properly fitting boot, put a booster strap on but strap in under the shell directly against the liner. it you can't get booster straps for whatever reason put a beer cozy, the kind that folds flat, in between the liner of the boot and your shin in the front. this will take up space and provide some padding. i did that last year and it worked really well, now i have booster straps and they work even better.
Nov 21 2010 8:52PM
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kamisdope
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lol fuck that! skiing has wayyy more style and looks better
Nov 21 2010 8:53PM
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kamisdope
Posts: 91 - Karma: 244
thanks man. that helped, and im gonna def order me a pair of booster straps.
Nov 21 2010 8:56PM
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UrbanElephant
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what if he's not ready to come out of the closet yet?
Nov 21 2010 9:10PM
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Imagination
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My ankles normally hurt more and my heels lift out of full tilts because they're so skinny. Is there anyway to fix that?
Nov 21 2010 9:11PM
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UrbanElephant
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that is false. shinbang is actually caused by your foot flattening out when you land to far backseat or too hard. this pull or tears the ligament attached to the arch of your foot in between your shin bones. you just think its your shins because its the closest thing to the problem you can see. a pair of arch supporting insoles are the way to go. p.s didnt mean to sound like a cocky asshole or diss austinmetsch
Nov 21 2010 9:15PM
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84891jnf92048
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not sure about the truth of this either. i have alines (probably the most supportive, high arched insoles) and still get shin bang. but try out boosters. i have a pair, but havent put them on my boots yet. the look sketch, but they arent bad, and dont hurt.
Nov 21 2010 9:18PM
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kamisdope
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maybe ill go with both arch support and booster straps?
Nov 21 2010 9:18PM
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gregorio
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get boots that fit your feet, not ones that you just like the brand name of
Nov 21 2010 9:19PM
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EmperorKuzco
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kind of off topic but i hate when you start to sweat and your leg hair gets ripped off by your boot, it hurts
Nov 21 2010 9:27PM
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JStrathern
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..do you wear socks?
Nov 21 2010 9:28PM
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ChucklesNorman.
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This happens to me. I either live with the pain or shave the area where it rubs.
Nov 21 2010 9:36PM
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Troy.
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In all honesty, ski boots are enough to make me switch to boarding. And I have SureFoot boots.

If only they could make ski boots more like board boots, my life would be complete.
Nov 21 2010 9:41PM
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Simmo
Posts: 512 - Karma: 28
I cant believe no one has done a serious, thorough study into the causes and treatment of shinbang. I know i've spent a fortune trying to solve it and would spend the same again or more for a 'cure'.

Someone studying physiotherapy and needing a final year project, do it!

Just seems to me like everyone has an opinion on the causes but I can't find a detailed medical explanation anywhere.
Nov 21 2010 9:42PM
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kamisdope
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amen!
Nov 21 2010 10:02PM
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HIRO
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I too would like to know the real cause of shinbang
Nov 21 2010 10:34PM
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GayWolf420
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Shin bang is basically lumps of skin tissue all bunched up and they hurt and are sensitive when you apply a good amount of pressure to them.
Nov 21 2010 10:41PM
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Chompo.
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Yeah, you stop being a trend whore and get boots that actually fit right...
Nov 21 2010 10:47PM
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austinmetsch
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arch supporting insoles may help you but it's definitely not going to solve the issue for everyone. I had arch supporting insoles in my old boots and still got shin bang. it was, for me, because my shin was hitting against the tongue of my boots because it wasn't sitting perfectly against my shin. i now have booster straps and i don't have an arch supporting insole and i no longer get shin bang. i have nordica ace of spades by the way. my old boots that gave me shinbang were the the head mojos.
Nov 21 2010 11:16PM
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gombo8
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if you got boots with a tonge try wrapping that incredibly tightly with plastic wrap. so it should form like a D shape with the curve on the right being the outside of the tonge. hard tissue in your body is like a really high density stirofoam the more your hit it on stuff it will evenutally compact and harder. thats why your hands hurt if your got in your first big fist fight and UFC fighters can punch shit it not affect them. little background my advise just get some full tilts. they are the cure to shin bang

Nov 21 2010 11:20PM
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TPalms
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Toe taps and ice. Fill up a few of those those wax paper dixie cups with water and freeze them, then peel away some of the cup and massage the sore areas of your shin. Just kinda apply pressure while moving the ice up and down your shin for a few minutes and then switch to your next leg. As far as toe taps go, it's pretty self-explanatory. Whenever you're sitting at a desk just tap tap tap those toes away by rotating your feet up and down and keeping your heels immobile. If you're doing it right you should feel a good burn in your shin--that's the shin (tibia) muscle strengthening itself. A lot of the reason why people get shinbang/splints (besides the obvious ill-fitting boots) is a lack of strength in that muscle, which is understandable because of how small it is, and the fact that it isn't used all that much. So if you're not really active on a regular basis the muscle will weaken, the "shinbang" comes from the fact that the muscle hasn't been used in a while and is getting sore (a similar situation is that feeling you get the day after lifting if you haven't lifted in a while). You should also try writing the alphabet in the air with your foot by rotating your ankle around--it's really all about strengthening the muscle.

Sparknotes: Ice shins, toe taps, and resting your legs as much as you can (forgot to mention that) is really all you can do to get rid of shinbang. Get boots that fit too.
Nov 21 2010 11:36PM
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Dustin.
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Since everyone has given entirely different answer we've basically just proven that 99% of the medical advice on this site is completely wrong.  Go to a bootfitter and possibly a doctor to aid in both recovery and prevention.

Or stay on here and see what happens.
Nov 22 2010 12:03AM
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phelps
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Yeah deffinatley look at full tilts, but if there to expensive try not landing so backseat.
Nov 22 2010 12:06AM
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Downtofilm
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full tilt
Nov 22 2010 12:08AM
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phelps
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Yeah, but the problem is they are pretty expensive. All the same a great investment for preventing shinbang
Nov 22 2010 12:18AM
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Broseph_Stalin
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full tilts are a good "cure" but they are a bit expensive and not everyone is willing to drop 500+ on boots. so in my experience id say that if you make your boots tighter and actually have properly fitted boots (hit up tech talk i think i remember an episode on it but if not fml). I know people who get it bad and its all about reducing the actual "bang" of your shin against the toung of your boot. hopefully that helps, good luck man, keep skiing
Nov 22 2010 12:23AM
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Simmo
Posts: 512 - Karma: 28
I don't even need to land backseat anymore, I can get it moderately just blasting around the mountain.

Spent a fortune on good boots, footbeds, booster straps, it all helps to the point that i can ski hard for a weeks holiday but ill probably be resting for a while after it.

Thing is, now i'm out on a season, and I want a solution and can't find it. Hoping that my shins just 'get used to it' or that muscle in my shin strengthens or something because i don't want to be taking days off to rest them all the time.
Nov 22 2010 12:24AM
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will_powder
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make sure you pull your power strap only around the liner and not the hard shell. the strap is naturally pushed down onto the shell, but it helps my shin bang when its just around the liner. i have nordica supercharger sparks
Nov 22 2010 12:36AM
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Candy
Posts: 1051 - Karma: 176
Alright. Here's how to prevent it: (some of this should be common sense)
1. Make sure you are wearing socks that come way above the top of your boot, and make sure you pull them up if they start getting bunched up on your shin.
2. Eliminate space between your shin and the boot, so all of the different things to accomplish that work. (Booster Straps, Boots that fit, etc...)
3. Muscle Strengthening, when you are at school or just sitting anywhere, tap your toes for long periods of time. You will feel a nice burn through your shin. Just keep working on strengthening those muscles, and you can handle a lot more off center landings (backseat, etc...).
4. Obvious is obvious and overstated, but landing backseat consistently really will give you shin bang, so if this is your bad habit, you've got to change. Not even tapping toes can strengthen you enough to handle backseats all the time.

Also, a more flexible boot will give your shins more of a break, so if you are in the market for boots consider something with a soft flex. Goodluck fighting the shin bang curse.
Nov 22 2010 2:41AM
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Yung_Gnarley
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Ski the right way.
Nov 22 2010 2:44AM
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Mitch-DownUnder
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i got some dam old boots because im a poor student, and wat i did was cut up some high dense foam, cut a hole over my shin, so it takes the pressure off the tissue that is on ur shit and distributes it more around the muscles on the side of ur shins, i find it works if that makes any sense!
Nov 22 2010 2:53AM
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AJizzle
Posts: 1882 - Karma: 522
Get custom foot beds, go to a shop and have them add an exterior pad to the ankle area of ur boot, or get better fitting boots with a more developed heel cup and custom footbeds
Nov 22 2010 4:42AM
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AlexF
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^This, all great advice.

You can also strengthen the little muscles in your shins by walking around on your heels. Keep your toes peeled as far off the floor as possible when your doing it. I haven't done this for skiing but it works great for strengthening those little muscles. If you play a sport where you have to jog/run backward quite a lot (e.g. rugby) then this works great for that too.

I'm not trying to be a gear 'fan boy' but since moving to Full Tilts and then Ace of Spades I've never had shin bang. Just sayin'.

If you've got hairy shins you might consider shaving them too.
Nov 22 2010 5:01AM
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Pipe_Munky
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NO!!

Shinbang has absolutely nothing to do with your shins banging against the front of your boot!!!

Shinbang is from landing backseat. It's also referred to by runners as "shinsplints". Essentially it's the muscle being pulled away from the bone.

The Solution:
Learn how to land properly!!
Nov 22 2010 9:08AM
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babysteeze84
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My first question is how old are your boots? Next question is what is the volume of your boot? Is your whole foot narrow, or just the heel? I had this problem with my heels slipping up/out and I went to a trusted boot fitter and he added "lifters" underneath the liners of the boots, which fixed the problem for another season until my books just got too packed out. I'm now looking into purchasing some ladies Dalbello boots b/c they have a lower volume and more narrow fit through the heel. If you have narrow feet in general, I would suggest trying on some Salomon boots & Dalbello as well. They have a lower volume (I honestly don't know about Full Tilts if they tend to be lower volume hence why I didn't throw them in the mix) and therefore less room inside and if you have slender feet as well as narrow heels, they will fit you better than say a Rossy/Tecnica/Nordica boot. This problem also may stem from just having older boots, if you don't have foot beds go with Superfeet as Aline as far as I know are out of business (bummer because I really liked them). Oh! And if you have the opportunity, demo a couple pairs before you decide on what to buy, that helped me out a ton last winter in deciding what the most comfortable/best fitting boot for me was.

Lastly, PM DingoSean for further suggestions, he worked at a ski shop for a while and knows the ins/outs of boot fitting and gives good advice. :)
Nov 22 2010 10:05AM
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I_Am_Mod
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i get aching shins after a day of hard shredding (not from landing backseat)

the thing that helps a ton for me is to occasionally loosen up my boot and shift the tongue an inch to the left or the right so i get different pressure points .....
Nov 22 2010 10:09AM
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babysteeze84
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**The tapping toes - we used to do this for XC and track because you can get shin splints from running/muscles being disproportionate/shin separating from the bone..

My only addition to this is not only to tap your toes up and down (like you're tapping your foot impatiently) but tap them toes in and toes out as well as straight up and down. Did 3 reps of 30 each motion every night before going to bed when I was running every day and I never had a problem with my shins (also going up and down stairs helps work the muscle).
Nov 22 2010 10:13AM
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EmperorKuzco
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Yes
Nov 22 2010 2:41PM
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AJizzle
Posts: 1882 - Karma: 522
Hahahahahahahahahah, fucking sean, for some reason I found that hilarious and i'm not even sure why
Nov 22 2010 5:24PM
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babysteeze84
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It's all right, it made me laugh typing it, but he knows his shit about boots and Boone, if nothing else.... (kinda hope he sees this, he'll probably say "fuck you too Laura")
Nov 22 2010 6:19PM
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hauser
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Get boots that fit and land not backseat, I know its not always easy to land forwards but try your best and you wont have to deal with it
Nov 22 2010 6:23PM
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AJizzle
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True, I laughed at him when he told me he was gonna make some kr pros do it, but after like three hours of work in our shop he did.
Nov 22 2010 7:41PM
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AJizzle
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Fit his foot that is^
Nov 22 2010 7:43PM
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