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Quiver Killer binding inserts

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PuderLuder
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www.quiverkiller.com

include the note: "newschoolers" when you check-out and get 10 free inserts with your order.

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Sep 26 2010 2:14PM
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Trace.
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Thanks I've been looking for something like this forever
Sep 26 2010 7:11PM
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Ski.Ballet
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That's cool. Wonder how well they work
Sep 26 2010 7:13PM
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PuderLuder
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They work perfectly!  Of course I am biased, but there is lots of genuine feedback out there.  Check out the testimonials page at www.quiverkiller.com  or search on TGR and Telemark tips (search "puder luder binding inserts") for a couple great threads from my loyal users.

We are also interested in providing pro-deals and sponsorship, so hit me up at info@quiverkiller.com if you're interested. 

Puder Luder

Sep 26 2010 8:14PM
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.Max.
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I feel like they would have a tendancy to rip out... I've never tried them though so don't listen to me. Little pricey though...
Sep 26 2010 8:22PM
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PuderLuder
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Check out the TGR thread "binding insert group purchase II".  Over 7,500 went into skis last year without a single problem.  In fact, they are going into Fred Syversen's skis this season:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkZ7Tyf7_YM&feature=related

It costs about 30 bucks to outfit a ski, a lot cheaper than a new pair of bindings!

Puder Luder
Sep 26 2010 8:29PM
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DUKES
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so its like the idea of how snowboards can be mounted with adjustments, hmmm definitely interesting
Sep 26 2010 9:02PM
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PuderLuder
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Exactly!  I was a boarder turned skier and looking to buy my second pair of skis, and thought how stupid it was that I had to also buy another pair of bindings.  There are other inserts and heli-coil type stuff out there, but nothing that is designed for and will allow you to swap your bindings as much as you want.  So now I can always buy another pair of skis and never have to worry (or pay for) an additional set of bindings.

Puder Luder


Sep 26 2010 9:10PM
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Lemuel
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I have been waiting for someone to do this. Line had the right idea with the inserts and reactor binding. I would definitely be interested in this, but I wont be getting a new pair of skis for a while haha.
Sep 26 2010 11:38PM
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zerospinskier
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I've been thinking about this for a while. It just makes sense. If they can hold after repeated tensioning and removal over the season it seems like a great idea.
Sep 27 2010 1:24AM
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zerospinskier
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O wow hes got paper jigs for a few bindings including FKS on his site. Awesome.
Sep 27 2010 1:27AM
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ReetsAdeets
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Really want to do this to my current skis, but am afraid of what may happen if they get messed up.
Sep 27 2010 1:41AM
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smuggs
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how long do they last, how big can i go and still stomp?
Sep 27 2010 1:44AM
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zerospinskier
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Any problems with the insert backing out when trying to remove the Loctited bolts?
Sep 27 2010 1:45AM
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Ghini
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Dont the screws of your bindings vibrate out the holes?
Sep 27 2010 7:01AM
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PuderLuder
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All great questions......

I want to first stress that this is not a new, untested product.  They have gone in more than 500 pairs of skis over the last couple seasons (from AK to New Zealand, and all over the states and EU).  The word most people use to describe them is "bomber".  I've never heard a single complaint about them coming loose or being damaged in anyway.

To install them, you simply drill and tap a hole in your ski, exactly like you would for a normal binding screw.  Since these are a little bigger, you can even re-mount in your existing binding holes.  You then screw in the insert with a bit of slow-cure epoxy.  Once the epoxy is set these things are in there to stay!  I've had questions from people asking if they are recyclable (can you take them out and re-use them) and frankly, I am hesitant to say "yes" since they are so difficult to remove am not sure you could take one out if you wanted to.  I guess this is good and bad, but if your main worry is them coming loose during big drops, this is mostly good.

You will want to use a little blue loc-tite (242) whenever you put in your machine screws to keep them tight,  I've never had or heard of a problem with them loosening when loc-tite is used.  The 242 isn't super strong so it is easy to "break" to remove your screw when you want and again, never had or heard of the insert coming loose in the ski.

I have some real tech-no winnies using these and they love them, and trust me, if there was an issue I'd hear about it from one of them.

I am serious about some sponsorship gigs and really motivated to get some good content on my site in the form of rad images and video, so please hit us up at info@quiverkiller.com if your interested.

Puder Luder
Sep 27 2010 8:33AM
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PuderLuder
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If anyone in Denver is interested, I'd be happy to mount up your skis myself when you buy some Quiver Killers.

PL
Sep 27 2010 9:47AM
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.[sanhedrin].
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Any trusted ski techs in the Salt Lake City area?
Sep 27 2010 10:50AM
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PuderLuder
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I'm on it.  Contacting a couple recommended shops to see if they'll hook you up.  Also, I have some customers out there that would gladly do it for a six pack.

PL
Sep 27 2010 11:49AM
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MKwa
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Has anybody used those inserts in park? How with their durabilty during spins? Is there possibilty to ship to Europe?
Sep 27 2010 4:58PM
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Brenone
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Threads
Sep 27 2010 6:05PM
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DUKES
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you're concerned about spins, landing and hoping that you wont burst out of the bindings
Sep 27 2010 6:23PM
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.[sanhedrin].
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Will these void my existing warranty?
Sep 27 2010 6:28PM
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TheClap.
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solid question
Sep 27 2010 6:35PM
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AdmiralSnackbar
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Usually its your fuckup if a binding pulls out, not many manufacturers come to my mind that would warranty that anyways. If you fuckup and delam a tip on a box, the company would have to be crazy to say it was the bindings or how they were mounted. I really dont see a way these could in fact lessen your chance at getting a replacement pair should anything happen.
Sep 27 2010 6:46PM
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TheClap.
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what if my ski delams but they noticed I put these in my ski, they may not replace my skis now
Sep 27 2010 7:03PM
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aaron@summit
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fo threads
Sep 27 2010 7:11PM
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PuderLuder
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Having these installed will not effect your ski's warranty any differently than a regular binding mount.  If you are that worried about it, you can always remove them before sending your skis back for any warranty replacement.

We ship world-wide.

PL

Sep 27 2010 7:48PM
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wrenegade
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Haven't got my hands on these yet but I'm super excited about them. Ordered enough for 5-6 pairs of skis, being able to thin my binding quiver is excellent, I can then afford even more skis!

The only thing I am worried about is removing them from skis if I want to sell them. I would suck to be out 18 inserts (at least) every time you want to replace your skis. I guess if you keep them for a couple years it's no biggie, but I usually don't keep skis around longer than 2 seasons.
Sep 27 2010 8:16PM
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ReetsAdeets
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These seem like a great idea, and I would love to get some, but if something happens, such as the threads on the insides of them rip out, or something else that is clearly their fault and fuck up my skis, is there any sort of warranty on them?
Sep 27 2010 8:31PM
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AdmiralSnackbar
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If the company actually does that, they're fucking retarded. These are equivalent to mounting a set of bindings.
Sep 27 2010 8:49PM
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Noss.
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Great idea, I think i will invest in it
Sep 27 2010 9:00PM
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MKwa
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I think that if you're not ripping bolts from wood you won't rip threads made of stainless steal, but it depends what kind of alloy it is. I think I'll buy some
Sep 28 2010 2:30PM
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wrenegade
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Think of them like heli-coils, but 10 times thicker and stainless steel, plus the benefit of interchanging bindings. Really the only downside is having to buy new ones when you get new skis, the extra weight is negligible and you save money on bindings if you have two or more pairs of skis.
Sep 28 2010 2:48PM
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*TURBONERD*
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threads, sounds promising
Sep 28 2010 3:20PM
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matt.rad
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threads
Sep 28 2010 3:59PM
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ferrariowner123
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threads, good idea,
Sep 28 2010 4:09PM
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FM3
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What's the removal process like if that becomes necessary?
Sep 28 2010 4:16PM
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PuderLuder
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If possible, this would be the only non-destructive (to the insert) way to do it:

-Take a long M5 screw with a hex head and thread two M5 nuts onto it.
-Thread the screw into the fastener, and tighten both nuts to the insert.
-Heat the insert with a soldering iron (to soften the epoxy)
-Try to back out the M5 screw with the insert attached (and pray).

Destructive to the insert, but not the ski.
1. Use a left handed extractor, or
2. Carefully drill out the insert (remember it is stainless steel, so get some hard drill bits).

Remember, these thing are designed to STAY in your ski.  Being difficult or impossible to remove should be reassurance to you during the free fall of your 40' cliff drop.

PL

Sep 28 2010 4:35PM
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DHogg
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Anyone in Tahoe comfortable installing these?
Sep 28 2010 4:50PM
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Balto
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good choice in ski to use for the demo on the home page ;)
Sep 28 2010 4:58PM
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zerospinskier
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As I said before, I really like the idea, but I still can't decide if it would be worth it in the long run. I see 2 scenarios:

The way I do it now:
-I have a 3 ski quiver: Powder, Urban, Park
-I have 3 pairs of bindings, 1 per ski
-The bindings just transfer to the new ski forever (or until they break)

The benefits of this are that you have 3 pairs of bindings being rotated in use so you have much less chance of breaking a pair, or wearing them out quickly. The down side is that the "start-up" cost is high because you need to buy 3 pairs of bindings in the beginning.

With the inserts:
-3 pairs of skis
-Only 1 pair of bindings
-+$30 for each new pair

This is nice because you don't need the high cost of 3 bindings in the beginning. However, You are adding $30 onto every ski, which in the long run, I think the graphs would intersect and eventually rise above the previous case. Also, you run the chance of having to replace the bindings sooner due to the fact you are using them every time you ski.


Basically the more you can decrease the cost of the inserts, the better. That way you lower your 'money vs. time' graph and give you a better chance of staying below the non-insert graph. Meaning getting inserts is cheaper than not using them (in a reasonably long amount of time).

But as I said before, I still am glad you made these. I think this is headed in the right direction for sure.
Sep 28 2010 6:32PM
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Uncle_Remus
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really stoked on these just for the non rip out abilty of say fks heels on fat skis. that makes alot more sense.
Sep 28 2010 7:05PM
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SEABURN
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being 6'3" 200lbs,I've ripped out my heels/ toepieces at least 3 times a season for the last 2 seasons. Even after brass helicoils I still manage to rip them out. Will these do a better job at keeping my bindings IN my skis than just a normal mount or brass helicoils?
Sep 28 2010 7:25PM
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no_steeze
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lets see if they hold up when he hucks another 300 foot cliff
Sep 28 2010 7:38PM
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ski2fast4u
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i was waiting for this over here...
Sep 28 2010 11:40PM
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c4t_l0ver
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threadsss
Sep 28 2010 11:50PM
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blackoutbill
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I think I may try these on my next pair of skis if they seem to hold up
Sep 29 2010 12:01AM
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ShredAZ
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Legitmatly a thing of genius.

Basicly just a helix coil. Aircrafts use this same design to reinforce their threads on the aluminum parts used in the constructional integrity of the aircraft.

I used two of these on my front brake caliper to reinforce the threads where the caliper attaches to the axle. If they can withstand stopping a 1-2 ton vehicle from moving at 60+ mph, I'm sure they can hold on tight to a ski. Not to mention theres 8 mounting points per binding instead of two per caliper. Though the physics may be a little different, still the same idea.

There's no reason why these shouldn't work indefinitly.

I think I may pick up a set.

Sep 30 2010 11:36AM
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joshua
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Threads, about time someone did this.
Sep 30 2010 3:21PM
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dunkaroos
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my threads.
Sep 30 2010 5:40PM
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