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HDR video test (give it a look)

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MatRich
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alright so I was recently exposed to some HDR photography and as a filmmaker I was inspired to create an equivalant for video, Im pretty sure Im the first one to have done this. There are time lapse video but these are actual HDR photos creating motion as uposed to a single video. it took me about 5 hours so I need to figure out a better workflow but I think the concept has potential. I know it looks wierd on people but Like I said this was just a test, I think it would look sick for a car video or streets... maybee soon Il work on that.



The video looks unconstant because I couldnt decide my look until the end since this is the first time I tried any of this hdr stuff. anyways enjoy and give some feedback

Jun 11 2010 7:15PM
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Gameboy
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Yeah it looks very sick in my opinion that's a great idea.
Jun 11 2010 7:38PM
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1337
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keep HDR in pictures, it doesn't look natural in video. /.02
Jun 11 2010 7:47PM
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MatRich
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it never looks natural with people, and this was done in a way to test the capacitys not make it look natural. go look at videos of HDR time lapses and tell me that doesnt look natural. Its a video, just a different process to get to the result of a video
Jun 11 2010 7:51PM
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.jr
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No. Keep HDR in the preteens picnik album on myspace. Keep them out of pictures.

Jun 11 2010 7:54PM
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wynnyk
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I don't really like it, IMO looks like its just over-exposed or an effect you would find in Windows Movie Maker.
Jun 11 2010 7:55PM
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MatRich
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yes because this is so myspace right?
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I think people arnt examining the potential rather than seeing that it looks like crap which I admit.
Jun 11 2010 8:03PM
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Coalescent
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I agree man..I'm just getting into hdr, what program are you using?
Jun 11 2010 8:41PM
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KarmaInitiative
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i dont mean to be a debbie downer, but it doesn't look like hdr to me, it just looks like you played with the curves. What was your process for making it?
Jun 11 2010 8:50PM
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MatRich
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well see thats the thing, your right its not HDR. its impossible to create real hdr video but I did a process which mimicks it to get the same look.

basically I took a video, color corrected it in three different ways. one over exposed one normal and one under exposed. then I exported the video to still frames and matched the right frames in the photoshop hdr manager. from there I used the settings to change the detail, shadows highlights and what not. Im actualy looking for ways to make it look better since Im not satisfied with the look so If you notice anything that wont work with my technique tell me so I can tweak it.
Jun 11 2010 8:58PM
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PBraunstein
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hate to break to to you, but you are definitely not the first person to do this...


this video has over 250,000 views..

also, note the proper usage of HDR.
Jun 11 2010 9:42PM
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PBraunstein
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and this is bull. all you need to do is be bracketing while you are using your intervalometer. please dont say shit you dont know
Jun 11 2010 9:44PM
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MatRich
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are you serious right now? is this a joke? your telling me not to talk about things I dont know and your telling me to use an intervalometer to FILM video. intervalometer option on the camera is for taking 3 photos not three videos. The video you posted is not what Im trying to do, those time lapses are photos put into sequence to create a timelaps, not video converted to create an effect. Im sorry but you sir dont know what the hell you are talking about so stop giving me shit and get out.
Jun 11 2010 10:17PM
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.jr
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Since when can you use a intervalometer on a VIDEO camera. He's not talking about making a timelapse, he is making a movie.

Ive said it before, and Ill say it again. HDR is just a gimic some people use to make a shitty photograph look ok. Take that pic for example, boring car pic in a boring parking lot. Make it an HDR and it almost has some depth to it.

Nothing against you though Mat, keep doing your thing, just my view of HDR as a whole.
Jun 11 2010 10:17PM
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MatRich
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yah I know what you mean though, its the type of thing that can go way too far and look gay. Im just imagining a racing video that looks like that photo I posted, I think that would be just nuts!
Jun 11 2010 10:30PM
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jeremy.g
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can someone explain hdr to me? please?
Jun 12 2010 2:42AM
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canterbury
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HDR isn't a gimick, you may not like it and that's ok, that's your opinion.  It is an artistic method of taking a scene that cannot be shot properly with a single exposure, and combining multiple exposures into one photograph, capturing all available detail.

I like the video, OP.  Keep working on it, It's a little off, but I'm sure you can improve it with some more playing around.

Jun 12 2010 3:06AM
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TomasAa
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I thought REAL HDR was imposible with video. At least when you have moving subjects. I know you can do it with timelapses, but thats photos...


But keep experimenting Mat!
Jun 12 2010 7:42AM
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MatRich
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I actualy thought of a way which could potentialy make it possible to make real hdr video but I dont have a family member whos a CEO for canon or sony so I will never know but Im 99% sure its possible. You could have a camera recording video three times at once. Instead of modifying the aperture on every shot ( impossible to do at the same time) or the frame rate, you could change the iso to have brackated shots and have true hdr.

Im just having fun playing around with this shit more than anything else Im a technical guy so this shit amuses me.
Jun 12 2010 11:59AM
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LBJJ
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it actually is possible to take hdr video/picture right out of a video/picture camera without post, such cameras like Red and Leica use this and it works right inside the camera. Different parts of the image or frames of the video are able to be differently exposed (for RED cameras i believe it can be up to a 15 stop difference within one frame and for Leica and some other picture camera can go up to 9 stops dfference)
Jun 12 2010 12:33PM
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MatRich
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shit thats true I forgot about the red cameras. and it also shoots raw so you can correct it like crazy in post production. I didnt know it could do bracket exposure though thats crazy
Jun 12 2010 12:41PM
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LBJJ
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but still if you really think about it i dont think its possible to expose a frame so its has differential exposure so i still dont think its true true HDR, but its closer to true HDR than doing it in post and way more realistic.

but idk its prob a reallly complicated process that not many people know, ill have to look into it
Jun 12 2010 12:46PM
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MatRich
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yah im guessing it has something to do with ISO and gamma detection. it probably finds spots where the gamma is too high ( like with a zebra option) and it somehow adjusts those spots. that camera is just so sick!
Jun 12 2010 12:51PM
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Static
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I don't know much about HDR, but this might save u a bit of time: rather than exporting each still frame, if you have after effects, try to export as a film strip, then open them (the 3 exposures exported in film strip) up in photoshop and do your hdr merging, then re import just the one sequence in film strip into AE and it'll make it video again.
Jun 12 2010 1:04PM
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LBJJ
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yeah def crazy, other companies are gunna start to catch up to what they are doing because they take so long to come out with things
Jun 12 2010 1:05PM
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MatRich
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true, red has been super secretive about their technologies though its crazy. They dont want to let any of their techniques to leak out. Im sure people who work for the company only know about what part they are working on and nothing else.
Jun 12 2010 1:08PM
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KarmaInitiative
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I remember reading some kind of college paper about a hdr video camera where the video gets split by mirrors into 3 images, captured by 3 different sensors, each at a different exposure. My guess is that there never was anything built though
Jun 12 2010 3:11PM
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KarmaInitiative
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If you look at pictures, a lot of times there will be areas overexposed (too bright/white) or underexposed (too dark). There is a method called HDR (high dynamic range) where you take a couple pictures, each at different exposures, than edit them together with a program like photoshop so that nothing is over or under exposed

the problem with hdr is once you merge your images, you have a lot of extra data. This means you can do a lot of editing on photos, witch is often poorly done.
Jun 12 2010 3:17PM
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PBraunstein
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first off, your shitty video played like it was a timelapse, i was confused upon watching it at first.

secondly, it would just look better if you did use pictures and and intervalometer.. at nearly 10fps, it would look a bit choppy, but it would give you the effect you want.

or, buy 3 t2is, stack them or line them up somehow, bracket them and then film? i just think whatever you're trying to do is a waist of time, HDR is shit anyways, no need to make photos AND video shitty


the TL i posted is one of the ONLY ways you should be trying to incorporate any sort of bracketing in "video"
Jun 12 2010 9:50PM
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PBraunstein
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nice video cameras have intervalometers built in.
Jun 12 2010 9:52PM
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MatRich
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your an idiot please stop making a fool of yourself.

First, why would I shoot a timelapse of a car race? that wouldnt look to good at 2 frames per second now would it? the three cameras?? should I realy have to tell you why this is stupid, realy? you need three of the same images with three different exposures, not three diferent perspectives. and intervalometer..... find me a camera that records three videos simultaniously with different exposures. learn what an intervalometer is please!

if hdr is shit then why is it used in every single car add photo you can find? its not over the top hdr but it makes stunning images which is what Im trying to acheive.

now please stop trying to look like you know anything, start with a little googling and get yourself a bit of information and come back to hate on me.... at least you will have propper arguments that at least make a bit of sense on a technical standpoint.
Jun 12 2010 11:29PM
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.jr
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Who gives a fuck if a Red has a intervalometer in it. The purpose of it has nothing to do with the impossibility in which you described. Go away.
Jun 12 2010 11:37PM
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PBraunstein
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take you fucking head out of your ass.

i said "bracket" the 3 cameras. why dont you google what "bracketing" means and then you will understand what i was talking about; ill do it for you In photography, bracketing is the general technique of taking several shots of the same subject using different or the same camera settings. Bracketing is useful and often recommended in situations that make it difficult to obtain a satisfactory image with a single shot, especially when a small variation in exposure parameters has a comparatively large effect on the resulting image. Autobracketing is automatic bracketing by using a setting on the camera to take several bracketed shots (in contrast to the photographer altering the settings by hand between each shot).

i know the prespective would be slightly off, that's what you would have to spend most of your time correcting.



and i know what an intervalometer is, stop being such a fucking douche... nowhere in my statement did i make it sound like it would record videos. I think, to do at all what you are trying to do, the best way would still be with pictures. I'm not sure why you think this is such a personal attack. Your video was shitty. this is a way i thought someone could improve on this.


fucking technical standpoint... go fuck yourself
Jun 13 2010 12:10PM
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MatRich
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so your best way to record a race with cars going at 150 km/h is to take pictures? I shouldnt realy have to tell you how stupid that sounds, come on you sound like your smart enough to dress yourself without the help of your mother, you should be able to figure this out. now the three cameras... that would not work because the change in perspective would cause ghosting no matter what the alignment is. I know what bracketing is you retard and I know its possible to do it for video BUT, not for this application. I cant film three times the exact same action with different exposures. I know the video is shit, I said that but your way of improving does not even make remote sense for what I actualy want to do! you cant take pictures of a moving car to do this effect, the pictures cant be taken fast enough. my camera takes 8 pics per second. This alone is 3 times less than I actualy need and about 10 times less than I want. on top of only being able to take 8 pictures/second 3 of these would equal one picture, giving me about two and a half pictures per second. Im sorry but that is not a video at all and I would not be excited to watch cars racing at this speed.

thank you now fuck off
Jun 13 2010 12:37PM
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PBraunstein
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haha... sorry for trying. i cant believe that your best way of recording a race would be trying to apply some shitty fucking HDR look-a-like affect to your, im sure, already shitty filming and editing.

thinking about it, im not sure why i was even helping trying to improve on such a stupid fucking idea. HDR barely has a place in photography, let alone video.

have fun blowing it


Jun 13 2010 12:56PM
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MatRich
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ever heard about expiremental filmmaking? you dont sound like you do... this will never be the new standard in motor sport cinematography but its expanding the possibilities of what you can do with a camera. same thing with film scratches... its a waste of expensive film to some, but to others like Norman Mclaren, its a new way to play around with film and create new things. and now about my cinematography.. thanks for the free blow but Im not worried about my skills. you were right though about not knowing why you tried to help me. you shouldnt have because you have no clue what your talking about
Jun 13 2010 1:06PM
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rudolph
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Wow for a kid that know SO MUCH about cameras and too forget about the RED One, shooting RAW, this just shows that your a complete fuck. Paul was trying to help and give you another perspective and your too dumb to realize.
Jun 13 2010 1:24PM
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MatRich
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no shit I dont think about the red right away, I dont shoot with it, never have. stay out of it.
Jun 13 2010 1:34PM
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TomasAa
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found an old article about a hdr-prototype videocamera. Looks like its using pl-lenses..

Here:

http://www.fxguide.com/article556.html



Jun 13 2010 2:00PM
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MatRich
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this is sick! great find, thanks for the suport! 20 stops bracketing at 60fps would be just epic!
great action shots. I cant wait to see videos from this camera
Jun 13 2010 2:15PM
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TomasAa
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yeah 20 stops sounds insane!
Jun 13 2010 2:25PM
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1080ski
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Right... using HDR definitely makes your photos (or in this case, film) look gay. You sound like an idiot - get your head out of your ass.


As for the video... it doesn't look right. I agree with most of the people here in that HDR really doesn't have a place in video, and barely a place in photography. It should be used to make a scene look how it looks like to your eye. Since your eye has more of a dynamic range than the sensor in your camera, taking multiple exposures and blending in post will help achieve this, but the extent that you took it to is too far and it looks unnatural.
Jun 13 2010 3:44PM
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TomasAa
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Yeah no one should be alowed to have fun, experiment and exploring HDR-video!  

/sarcasm
Jun 13 2010 3:51PM
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MatRich
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I agree with the last part but you obviously didnt read most of this thread.. I clearly said that the look is not at all what I want to do, its a test to see the capabilities... yes I took it too far but thats step one (expiriment to find the possibilities) the next step is to make it more manageable and find a look that is good.

as for the first part, Im not sure if that was directed at me... if it was then my only response is why are there companies like in the link posted recently who invest millions to make the technology available and why is it the most popular style of commercial car photography? it has its place and its purpose, I want to translate that to film, excuse me for thinking out of the box.
Jun 13 2010 3:57PM
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1080ski
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(responding to the second part first)

It was directed at you. When somebody insults my sexuality by using the word gay as an insult, it pisses me off. So if your'e so keen on thinking out of the box, then start by not putting down people who are different then you. Like I said, get your head out of your ass.


As for the other part of my post, I did read the whole thread, including that part at the end where you asked for feedback, so I gave feedback. I still think that HDR doesn't really have a place in video, but I never bashed you for trying. I gave my opinion, and my opinion stands. Maybe you can convince me that HDR does have a place in video, but the one you posted did not. I understand its just a test, but if somebody posted a photo that looked the same way as your video did, I would have said the same thing.
Jun 13 2010 4:09PM
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MatRich
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I dont remember calling anyone gay, sorry If I offended you Im in no way homophobic. its becaome such a common word and has lost its meaning a bit which is why I put it out there If I did. sorry if you were affected by that but lets not have a grudge for a word.

when you say that you would say the same thing if it was a picture that looked this bad... its normal that you would. there are thousands of good ones and an established technique. this on the other hand is starting pretty much from scratch with nothiing more than a concept.
Jun 13 2010 4:31PM
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1080ski
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Lets not have a grudge for somebody who insults my sexuality? Its the internet... Im not going to hold a grudge, but I am going to call you out if you use the word gay as an insult. And for refrence, you dont have to be a homophobe to be insulting to gays.

And for your video, I said it looked unnatural. I never said it looked bad, I gave you feedback in the form of constructive criticism. I said what HDR should achieve, and said that I dont think you quite hit the nail on the head. I get that you are trying new stuff, but if you ask for feedback, take it into consideration and dont try to defend the video that you said is just a starting point. Like I said, I never said it looked bad, just unnatural. Focus on making it look more natural (in my mind this would make it better) and I think you may be onto something.
Jun 13 2010 4:58PM
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canterbury
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what's with all the hate in this thread?  people are such assholes to each other when it's relatively anonymous

Jun 13 2010 5:02PM
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MACAQUE
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Is this what you're going for?

Jun 13 2010 5:46PM
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MatRich
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that is sick! thats exactly what Im going for idealy Id go for better looking quality but it seems like thats the best possible since your just boosting pixels or taking away from them, so the quality is affected. thanks for the link!
Jun 13 2010 6:02PM
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MACAQUE
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No problem. Go to that guy's profile and look at al of his other HDR videos too.
Jun 13 2010 7:56PM
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