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Da Fuc? Pope Francis just died. April 20th 2025 at 88, probably complications to the pneumonia earlier this year. Im not religious in any way but I loved that pope. He was awesome. I will miss the positive new from the Vatican about Francis…
To some extent it vibes kinda of like a monarchy. But cool they're rebranding a bit to be less shitty. RIP, but personally I don't care about religious deities.
Wasn't a fan ngl, but rip i guess. hopefully we get another john paul ii although I don't really care. I'm in a really weird place spiritually right now so I'll just leave it at that.
SteezyYeeterWasn't a fan ngl, but rip i guess. hopefully we get another john paul ii although I don't really care. I'm in a really weird place spiritually right now so I'll just leave it at that.
I mean that's fair regardless. I feel like its more your relationship to god than whatever pope is there. I guess thats the official front but I don't think agreeing with them is anyway necessary to be spiritual and religious.
If it means something to you send it. Do you my dawg!
SteezyYeeterWasn't a fan ngl, but rip i guess. hopefully we get another john paul ii although I don't really care. I'm in a really weird place spiritually right now so I'll just leave it at that.
No I'm gonna love it lol. I believe in the morals espoused by the Catholic Church it's just that they've distorted scripture to fit a narrative, as many religions do. I'm just interested in seeking the truth. I'll never not be Christian, as I think Jesus was important either way. Regardless, I like the Christian iconography and I'm glad I'm going there. It's not like they shove it down your throat.
Fwiw, my problem is the God of the old testament is basically evil. He commits genocide and is incredibly wrathful, it is not the same God of love and forgiveness that Jesus calls 'father' in the new testament. Obviously I'm not the first to see this, and of course there are arguments for how it's the same God. However, these are really unconvincing and just seem like mental gymnastics (most people ignore the fact that the testaments use different words for the Gods, some bibles mistranslate it all as 'God'). People just don't really think about it. It's also a lot, it implies polytheism. It's really cool to me, and has opened up a whole new world, I also like history so I'm learning about the ancients as well.
SteezyYeeterNo I'm gonna love it lol. I believe in the morals espoused by the Catholic Church it's just that they've distorted scripture to fit a narrative, as many religions do. I'm just interested in seeking the truth. I'll never not be Christian, as I think Jesus was important either way. Regardless, I like the Christian iconography and I'm glad I'm going there. It's not like they shove it down your throat.
Fwiw, my problem is the God of the old testament is basically evil. He commits genocide and is incredibly wrathful, it is not the same God of love and forgiveness that Jesus calls 'father' in the new testament. Obviously I'm not the first to see this, and of course there are arguments for how it's the same God. However, these are really unconvincing and just seem like mental gymnastics (most people ignore the fact that the testaments use different words for the Gods, some bibles mistranslate it all as 'God'). People just don't really think about it. It's also a lot, it implies polytheism. It's really cool to me, and has opened up a whole new world, I also like history so I'm learning about the ancients as well.
i think the difference is in the time of which it was written. end of the day, the bible was written by man and will undoubtedly be influenced by what was happening in their day to day lives and the reasons for which they seek god. so it can very well be the same god and seen from a different perspective due to life circumstances. similarly, your vision of god, jamal’s vision of god or lack thereof lol and my vision are all different. but even your vision compared to your parents or siblings are different. almost like there are 8 billion versions of the same god at the same time lol.
kinda a tangent here but same goes for you as a person. the way your best friend sees you vs. the way your parents see you vs. the way I see you vs. the way ballclapper sees you (he doesn’t lol) are all different versions of you. shit even the version you see of yourself is different this year compared to last.
point being, it’s no surprise that the same god can be depicted differently over the course of hundreds/thousands of years. it also makes it easier to see that other religions aren’t necessarily wrong but they are just a different perspective/interpretation of the same god/s molded to their culture and experiences over crazy amounts of time.
partyandBSi think the difference is in the time of which it was written. end of the day, the bible was written by man and will undoubtedly be influenced by what was happening in their day to day lives and the reasons for which they seek god. so it can very well be the same god and seen from a different perspective due to life circumstances. similarly, your vision of god, jamal’s vision of god or lack thereof lol and my vision are all different. but even your vision compared to your parents or siblings are different. almost like there are 8 billion versions of the same god at the same time lol.
kinda a tangent here but same goes for you as a person. the way your best friend sees you vs. the way your parents see you vs. the way I see you vs. the way ballclapper sees you (he doesn’t lol) are all different versions of you. shit even the version you see of yourself is different this year compared to last.
point being, it’s no surprise that the same god can be depicted differently over the course of hundreds/thousands of years. it also makes it easier to see that other religions aren’t necessarily wrong but they are just a different perspective/interpretation of the same god/s molded to their culture and experiences over crazy amounts of time.
I agree with you, in terms of the implications of what you're saying has on any individual. I think God is a very personable being, and everyone should seek to find their own relationship with him. It's not a one glove fits all type deal.
That is one of the arguments people make for it being the same God, the wrath and hostility of Yahweh is simply a reflection of the time in which it was written. However, if you're consistent in this thinking, then that would seem to imply there is no God. Jesus too would be a reflection of the time, which happened to be a bit more civilized. Of course that's not what people really believe, and so the bible arbitrarily switches from metaphor to reality in between the testaments if we buy into this. I agree there's bias involved, but I think it's more on the interpretation side rather than the language. yea
partyandBSi think the difference is in the time of which it was written. end of the day, the bible was written by man and will undoubtedly be influenced by what was happening in their day to day lives and the reasons for which they seek god. so it can very well be the same god and seen from a different perspective due to life circumstances. similarly, your vision of god, jamal’s vision of god or lack thereof lol and my vision are all different. but even your vision compared to your parents or siblings are different. almost like there are 8 billion versions of the same god at the same time lol.
kinda a tangent here but same goes for you as a person. the way your best friend sees you vs. the way your parents see you vs. the way I see you vs. the way ballclapper sees you (he doesn’t lol) are all different versions of you. shit even the version you see of yourself is different this year compared to last.
point being, it’s no surprise that the same god can be depicted differently over the course of hundreds/thousands of years. it also makes it easier to see that other religions aren’t necessarily wrong but they are just a different perspective/interpretation of the same god/s molded to their culture and experiences over crazy amounts of time.
SteezyYeeterNo I'm gonna love it lol. I believe in the morals espoused by the Catholic Church it's just that they've distorted scripture to fit a narrative, as many religions do. I'm just interested in seeking the truth. I'll never not be Christian, as I think Jesus was important either way. Regardless, I like the Christian iconography and I'm glad I'm going there. It's not like they shove it down your throat.
Fwiw, my problem is the God of the old testament is basically evil. He commits genocide and is incredibly wrathful, it is not the same God of love and forgiveness that Jesus calls 'father' in the new testament. Obviously I'm not the first to see this, and of course there are arguments for how it's the same God. However, these are really unconvincing and just seem like mental gymnastics (most people ignore the fact that the testaments use different words for the Gods, some bibles mistranslate it all as 'God'). People just don't really think about it. It's also a lot, it implies polytheism. It's really cool to me, and has opened up a whole new world, I also like history so I'm learning about the ancients as well.
Idk brother if you didn't like the Jesuit pope, what makes you think that your ideals will better align with a Jesuit university?
Glad I took the over. Your 3 days are up Francis. I don't make the rules. Unfortunately I only made my money back because apparently the odds were 0 that he would respawn faster that JC. Jesus fucking up my life yet again. Gosh darnit!!!!
theabortionatorGlad I took the over. Your 3 days are up Francis. I don't make the rules. Unfortunately I only made my money back because apparently the odds were 0 that he would respawn faster that JC. Jesus fucking up my life yet again. Gosh darnit!!!!
Popes dont resurect.
Im not condoning the organization that Francis represented. What I wanna validate is the guy did a lot for humanity. He washed the poor’s feet all the way up to his death. In Canada, he met with residential school survivors and seeked forgiveness from the Innu and Inuit peoples. The guy preached love to all, no matter who you are and put it into practice. Hes done a lot of work and seemed like someone I would hang out with.
He was the exact opposite of this american christian nationalism that we are experiencing.
