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Ski durability survey

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Christian_Bale
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I've seen a lot of discussions about ski durability on here. As I see it, the problem is that it's all very anecdotal. Different people can have very different experiences with the same skis. I think a survey would help give a clearer picture of people's satisfaction with their skis. Also, I figured I'd include some other questions to get a very approximate profile of the skiers who answer the survey.

Anyway, the survey is short and should hopefully be very quick and easy. Would really appreciate if as many people as possible could fill it out. I think only 3 questions are actually required. Anyone who wants to fill it out multiple times for different skis is welcome to do so.

I am not affiliated with any ski companies. This is not for a school project, purely my own interest.

Ideally I will get enough responses where I can graph and analyze the data, and then share the results.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1jeXkhVScHMhVIo-QULfYWUYngoX6BQ_J_RsXGKlI3IU/edit
Jan 11 2025 2:08PM
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Christian_Bale
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just realized this should probably be in gear talk, my bad
Jan 11 2025 2:11PM
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BLandz
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Bro this is sick af. I hope everybody fills these out

I just put the specific name of ski on the last question so u know its a poacher and not a reckoner because ones obvs way more durable than the other
Jan 11 2025 8:17PM
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Christian_Bale
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good shit so far, thanks to everyone who's responded so far. appreciate the comments too
Jan 11 2025 9:01PM
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Christian_Bale
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BLandzBro this is sick af. I hope everybody fills these out

I just put the specific name of ski on the last question so u know its a poacher and not a reckoner because ones obvs way more durable than the other

thanks man. I had thought about including an option for the specific model as well (was thinking same example as you were lol), but I was doubtful if I'd get enough responses for the data to be meaningful. People have been mentioning their specific models which is helpful. I suspect that blends are gonna be mentioned a lot. In general I'm hoping for a reasonable assessment of the construction techniques that these companies are using.
Jan 11 2025 9:07PM
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skimidwest016
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Christian_BaleI've seen a lot of discussions about ski durability on here. As I see it, the problem is that it's all very anecdotal. Different people can have very different experiences with the same skis. I think a survey would help give a clearer picture of people's satisfaction with their skis. Also, I figured I'd include some other questions to get a very approximate profile of the skiers who answer the survey.

Anyway, the survey is short and should hopefully be very quick and easy. Would really appreciate if as many people as possible could fill it out. I think only 3 questions are actually required. Anyone who wants to fill it out multiple times for different skis is welcome to do so.

I am not affiliated with any ski companies. This is not for a school project, purely my own interest.

Ideally I will get enough responses where I can graph and analyze the data, and then share the results.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1jeXkhVScHMhVIo-QULfYWUYngoX6BQ_J_RsXGKlI3IU/edit


Will you be sharing the data?
Jan 11 2025 10:52PM
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Christian_Bale
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skimidwest016Will you be sharing the data?

like a link to the spreadsheet? I'll be sharing my findings for sure. gonna whip up some charts, graphs, etc after the number of responses plateaus
Jan 11 2025 11:06PM
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skierman
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Post this on Reddit so all the dumb fuck gapers who think topsheet chipping is delam will skew the results.
Jan 12 2025 5:57AM
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gravel
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Interested to see what the survey finds. My personal perspective, in a general sense, is that the most durable skis are made in North America, followed by Europe, and least durable from China. But I'm curious about my biases.
Jan 12 2025 7:43AM
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-skian-
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I also included the ski model, because they no longer make the venor, and I have no clue about modern black crows, but damn those were some good skis. I would not be caught dead on black crows any more though.
Jan 12 2025 11:46AM
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tall.skier
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Ironically, I’ve got a pair of 2018 Faction CT 2.0s that have outlasted every single pair of skis I’ve ever had. Multi drilled, street, rails, jumps, butters, spring slush, water exposure. These things just keep going…
Jan 12 2025 3:03PM
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Christian_Bale
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gravelInterested to see what the survey finds. My personal perspective, in a general sense, is that the most durable skis are made in North America, followed by Europe, and least durable from China. But I'm curious about my biases.

I agree and I expect the results will generally confirm that
Jan 12 2025 5:32PM
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TOAST.
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gravelInterested to see what the survey finds. My personal perspective, in a general sense, is that the most durable skis are made in North America, followed by Europe, and least durable from China. But I'm curious about my biases.

Idk in my experience china makes the most durable (poacher) and the least durable (reckoners), but it's been a while since I've had a euro ski.
Jan 12 2025 5:32PM
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Christian_Bale
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-skian-I also included the ski model, because they no longer make the venor
tall.skierIronically, I’ve got a pair of 2018 Faction CT 2.0s that have outlasted every single pair of skis I’ve ever had. Multi drilled, street, rails, jumps, butters, spring slush, water exposure. These things just keep going…

Ideally I'd get enough responses so that we could actually see the results for specific skis and track the results over time, since some companies have changed up their construction in a noticeable way, switched to different factories, etc. But unfortunately that seems unlikely, and I also wanted to simplify the survey a bit so more people will fill it out. Got a good number of results so far but it's gonna have to be somewhat generalized for each company. I'll try to be pretty transparent about sample sizes when I do my writeup.
Jan 12 2025 5:37PM
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Christian_Bale
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TOAST.Idk in my experience china makes the most durable (poacher) and the least durable (reckoners), but it's been a while since I've had a euro ski.

I suspect that most people wouldn't consider poachers, or vishnus for that matter, to be the most durable skis on the market. But it's a different story when factoring in price.
Jan 12 2025 5:40PM
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FruitBootPro
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THANK YOU for doing this

so much anecdotal, non credible evidence, a lot of which is probably driven by bias towards brands (cough on3p and vishnu cough)
Jan 12 2025 5:44PM
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NSFreddyYang69
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Line skis marketing team when reading this thread:




**This post was edited on Jan 12th 2025 at 5:46:21pm
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PartyBullshiit
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@NSFreddyYang69 when he realized we know it’s @weatcoast @NSMostWanted @NSCrip69 @Jimmer369 trying yet again with another account


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Benchhitter
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Christian_BaleI agree and I expect the results will generally confirm that


I think the results would be very interesting if you included a box to specify year of manufacture … might find some interesting correlations in that . My 2c
Jan 13 2025 12:16PM
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Christian_Bale
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BenchhitterI think the results would be very interesting if you included a box to specify year of manufacture … might find some interesting correlations in that . My 2c

I definitely agree. Only issue is that I don't think I'll get enough responses to have a large enough sample size for different years. So far there's a pretty diverse range of ski companies in the survey.
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ParkingLotPiss
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I feel like it would be worth it to have something about howlong youve been skiing them. would help distiguish what is bad durability and what is just wear and tear over time.
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Christian_Bale
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ParkingLotPissI feel like it would be worth it to have something about howlong youve been skiing them. would help distiguish what is bad durability and what is just wear and tear over time.

That is a good point. Appreciate your feedback and what others have suggested. But the length of time doesn't mean much without taking into account how many days you've actually skied. For me, I'd have a hard time estimating that number. Maybe for other people it would be easier but for simplicity I just included questions regarding satisfaction. The inference is that your satisfaction tracks reflects whether or not the ski fulfilled your expectations for how long it would last.

**This post was edited on Jan 13th 2025 at 3:01:28pm
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-skian-
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NSFreddyYang69Line skis marketing team when reading this thread:




**This post was edited on Jan 12th 2025 at 5:46:21pm

The 4 downvotes on this post are folks who just bought lines and are butthurt now haha
Christian_BaleThat is a good point. Appreciate your feedback and what others have suggested. But the length of time doesn't mean much without taking into account how many days you've actually skied. For me, I'd have a hard time estimating that number. Maybe for other people it would be easier but for simplicity I just included questions regarding satisfaction. The inference is that your satisfaction tracks reflects whether or not the ski fulfilled your expectations for how long it would last.

**This post was edited on Jan 13th 2025 at 3:01:28pm

I agree, there can unfortunately be too much info. I also think you would see a polarizing bias about good vs bad. Person X who liked it would say oooh yeah it lasted at least 10̷0̷ days of park no problem, and person Y who hated it would say nah it barely lasted 20̷ days in the park - both of them exaggerating. Unless there was strava proof or some other tracker, it would be arbitrary.
Jan 13 2025 4:42PM
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ParkingLotPiss
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Christian_BaleThat is a good point. Appreciate your feedback and what others have suggested. But the length of time doesn't mean much without taking into account how many days you've actually skied. For me, I'd have a hard time estimating that number. Maybe for other people it would be easier but for simplicity I just included questions regarding satisfaction. The inference is that your satisfaction tracks reflects whether or not the ski fulfilled your expectations for how long it would last.

**This post was edited on Jan 13th 2025 at 3:01:28pm

Yeah it would be hard to accuratly measure days skiied but personal satisfaction is also super abatrary.someone whos been buying a new pair of Blends every season has much lower standards then someone who's had the same pair or Jefferys for 5 years.

It would be cool if there was a ski tracking app or something that could track runs, vert, speed etc but also let you report damage, it would need a huge userbase to be useful but then you could actually get stats about how long different skis last before they start to fall apart. haveing info like this easily accesible would also kinda force manufactureres to up their game and compete for durability rather then just pure marketing.
Jan 13 2025 6:56PM
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PartyBullshiit
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-skian-The 4 downvotes on this post are folks who just bought lines and are butthurt now haha

I agree, there can unfortunately be too much info. I also think you would see a polarizing bias about good vs bad. Person X who liked it would say oooh yeah it lasted at least 10̷0̷ days of park no problem, and person Y who hated it would say nah it barely lasted 20̷ days in the park - both of them exaggerating. Unless there was strava proof or some other tracker, it would be arbitrary.

Na the down votes are for the people who know this is the same troll who’s been banned now like 7 times and keeps making new accounts over and over again.
Jan 14 2025 1:31AM
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skiermen
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You forgot to add Volkl.
Jan 14 2025 3:04AM
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NSFreddyYang69
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Correction: 3 downvotes are folks who bought line. 1 downvote is from a pedo 👀
-skian-The 4 downvotes on this post are folks who just bought lines and are butthurt now haha

I agree, there can unfortunately be too much info. I also think you would see a polarizing bias about good vs bad. Person X who liked it would say oooh yeah it lasted at least 10̷0̷ days of park no problem, and person Y who hated it would say nah it barely lasted 20̷ days in the park - both of them exaggerating. Unless there was strava proof or some other tracker, it would be arbitrary.
Jan 14 2025 9:53AM
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Christian_Bale
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skiermenYou forgot to add Volkl.


I forgot lol but luckily there’s an option to write in the company
Jan 14 2025 10:09AM
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