Armada ski boots released today.

scratchskier321cross forum hype is so lit

they didn't do it intentionally, nor with the intention for it to be dangerous. people are just trying to speak louder than me to invalidate my logic.

They did it out of habit and industry norm. You guys read the posts... onenerdy said the abducted last is what other brands do too, 40 yrs of dev, and that athletes like it. That is habit/norm.

everyone gets uncomfortable and flippant when information is being challenged by a non-authority figure. people here are talking about who to "believe" instead of the topic at hand. I'm not asking you to believe me, I already gave you my reasoning, debate that.

i feel bad because the armada boot is sick, i'm only critiquing the last angle... but when onenerdy insinuated my opinion didn't matter because he said so, I had to stick up for myself.

what i'm describing derives from what every bootfitter learns regarding canting soles and alignment... how the knee CoM traces over the foot, this is essentially the core basis of my point. depending on how the last is angled, it changes how your knee CoM traces over the foot. which influences everything you experience skiing.

I re-listened to the armada blister and onenerdy blister pods after this... in the onenerdy blister panel at 1:05:00 he says he is very bow legged. I've explained multiple times how the abducted last makes sense specifically for the varus aligned. So it makes sense he's never experienced it or was aware of the affect because he can't experience it IRL because of his body shape.

scratchskier321everyone gets uncomfortable and flippant when information is being challenged by a non-authority figure. people here are talking about who to "believe" instead of the topic at hand. I'm not asking you to believe me, I already gave you my reasoning, debate that.

Last time I'll respond to you:

No-one had a problem with you having an opinion. The problem was with how you went about expressing yourself.

Not to mention your historic ability call out other people for what you saw as wrong, and your amazing inability to listen when other people criticize you/your opinions.

It's the social equivalent of washing your hands after you shit so when you shake someone's hand they don't get your shit on them.

scratchskier321cross forum hype is so lit

they didn't do it intentionally, nor with the intention for it to be dangerous. people are just trying to speak louder than me to invalidate my logic.

They did it out of habit and industry norm. You guys read the posts... onenerdy said the abducted last is what other brands do too, 40 yrs of dev, and that athletes like it. That is habit/norm.

everyone gets uncomfortable and flippant when information is being challenged by a non-authority figure. people here are talking about who to "believe" instead of the topic at hand. I'm not asking you to believe me, I already gave you my reasoning, debate that.

i feel bad because the armada boot is sick, i'm only critiquing the last angle... but when onenerdy insinuated my opinion didn't matter because he said so, I had to stick up for myself.

what i'm describing derives from what every bootfitter learns regarding canting soles and alignment... how the knee CoM traces over the foot, this is essentially the core basis of my point. depending on how the last is angled, it changes how your knee CoM traces over the foot. which influences everything you experience skiing.

I re-listened to the armada blister and onenerdy blister pods after this... in the onenerdy blister panel at 1:05:00 he says he is very bow legged. I've explained multiple times how the abducted last makes sense specifically for the varus aligned. So it makes sense he's never experienced it or was aware of the affect because he can't experience it IRL because of his body shape.

Have you ever thought that maybe the last angle doesn't feel good for you because you have got really wacky biomechanics that might not work with most boots or that you have got strange inconsistencies in the way which you ski and it not being normal? There are so many confounding variables here that can't really be controlled just off the basis that we have different shaped feet (why bootfitters exist) and ski differently. It is impossible for a brand to make a boot that will fit wonderfully for everyone, but boot designers pick a shape that makes sense with what they are trying to do and with the data they see and go with it. Anecdotal evidence cannot back up your points aside from the fact that the boot and last shape might not work for you. This is also why brands - like atomic - use a heat moldable plastic to make it easier for more people to get in their boots, and why they put cant adjusters on their higher end boots, sell boots with calf volume adjuster, why bootfitters will always put you in a proper insole ...
One last thing, if you look at the standard anatomical shape of a person (go find an anatomy textbook), their feet will be angled slightly outwards.

snormanHave you ever thought that maybe the last angle doesn't feel good for you because you have got really wacky biomechanics that might not work with most boots or that you have got strange inconsistencies in the way which you ski and it not being normal? There are so many confounding variables here that can't really be controlled just off the basis that we have different shaped feet (why bootfitters exist) and ski differently. It is impossible for a brand to make a boot that will fit wonderfully for everyone, but boot designers pick a shape that makes sense with what they are trying to do and with the data they see and go with it. Anecdotal evidence cannot back up your points aside from the fact that the boot and last shape might not work for you. This is also why brands - like atomic - use a heat moldable plastic to make it easier for more people to get in their boots, and why they put cant adjusters on their higher end boots, sell boots with calf volume adjuster, why bootfitters will always put you in a proper insole ...
One last thing, if you look at the standard anatomical shape of a person (go find an anatomy textbook), their feet will be angled slightly outwards.

I explained the nuance in my posts, who it's for who it's not. The biomechanics of it all.

If you want to know why, read the posts.

abjectwoeLast time I'll respond to you:

No-one had a problem with you having an opinion. The problem was with how you went about expressing yourself.

Not to mention your historic ability call out other people for what you saw as wrong, and your amazing inability to listen when other people criticize you/your opinions.

It's the social equivalent of washing your hands after you shit so when you shake someone's hand they don't get your shit on them.

identified onenerdy's alias account.

all of you guys can pile on in this thread, but none of you have addressed the underlying mechanics. Instead, you are telling me I express poorly. lol.

mods you can delete this thread if you want, it's not fair to armada. i own a fuck ton of armada skis and they are my favorite brand. they don't deserve to be caught up in this. boot is sick, I gave my pair to a liftie kid who was fkn stoked to have it. it's all good.

KungKalmarOld man needs some glasses

Want to summarize? That shit is unreadable on the phone.

PartyBullshiitWant to summarize? That shit is unreadable on the phone.

I think the abducted last was the wrong choice, everyone else thinks it doesn't matter.

PartyBullshiitWant to summarize? That shit is unreadable on the phone.

MCskid: "Their BOA thread is the Armada AR one thread. Some guy endlessly(like 3 pages) going off on abduction angles and claiming the atomic nerdykid and k2 Tom guy are intentionally building dangerous boots."

chicken feathers: "^lol. I was just looking trough that thread over there."

@onenerdykid can you please confirm if there is any special method to heat molding the Armada Team Liner or is it just normal process like any other liner? (heat up in boot oven, buckle into boot and stand on a ramp)