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First off, don't go supporting Vail Resorts in any way - don't buy a $300 lift ticket or $25 chicken tenders. But if you've signed a deal with the devil and already sunk your money in an Epic Pass, get out there and give them hell! Tear down rope lines, steal signs, spray or throw snowballs at any patroller you see on the hill - they're either a scab or management working directly for the resort! Go poach closed terrain (safely), call in false reports and send them on wild goose chases. Anything you can do to send the message that they are NOT WELCOME.
If you’ve already given them your money and have to you can clog up the scab patrol for unimportant reasons: little kid wiped out and crying that they want to quit, they require a sled.
See a family searching for a phone under the lift? That’s a group in distress on the liftline, one of the parents looks like they broke their arm or something.
Slam in the park and get right back up? No you didn’t, your ankles are broken, yell it loud enough that a few people call it in
Friends gone down to the lodge for a break? Are you sure you didn’t see them go into those glades and they didn’t come out at the top of the triple? They could be lost in a tree well. 🥸
**This post was edited on Dec 28th 2024 at 8:21:21am
**This post was edited on Dec 28th 2024 at 8:22:12am
I've read that many of the patrollers are from other Vail resorts. Any chance they're being forced to work at PCMR and it's not their choice? It's possible their contracts (which may be with Vail and not a specific resort) have language about needing to work where there's an operational requirement.
Any current PCMR patrollers that are not in the picket line are salaried/management patrol that are FTYR. I am sure almost every one of them want to stand with their others in line, but they can't.
Any patrollers that were brought in from other resorts (scabs) I personally think are crossing the picket line. Sure, they are getting paid a bunch, free housing, the whole 9 yards. But you are turning your back on other patrollers. It is a matter of time before all Vail resort patrollers (and lift mechanics) will all be unionized company wide. So any scabs, your time is coming.
While I don't think fucking up rope lines and signs is the answer, I think strongly voicing your opinion to any working scabs would not be a bad thing.
The mass crowds, unhappy guests, social media coming unglued on the PCMR platforms is speaking some volume. I just hope more transient guests make future decisions with their wallet.
On a given holiday like we are in, there is upwards of 20,000+ skier visits across both PMCR/Canhole. After seeing pictures, hearing stories and seeing the social backlash of yesterday, I think a lot of those 20,000 guests are not thrilled and I am sure they are thinking of where to go on their next vacation.
Besides patrol striking, there is also just no open terrain for the crowds. Shit winter so far, overselling of passes, holiday week. Snowstorm inbound. Even if patrol was there and fully staffed there would still be issues, but with the strike going on, it just makes it worse, which is awesome.
SkiBum.Any current PCMR patrollers that are not in the picket line are salaried/management patrol that are FTYR. I am sure almost every one of them want to stand with their others in line, but they can't.
Any patrollers that were brought in from other resorts (scabs) I personally think are crossing the picket line. Sure, they are getting paid a bunch, free housing, the whole 9 yards. But you are turning your back on other patrollers. It is a matter of time before all Vail resort patrollers (and lift mechanics) will all be unionized company wide. So any scabs, your time is coming.
While I don't think fucking up rope lines and signs is the answer, I think strongly voicing your opinion to any working scabs would not be a bad thing.
The mass crowds, unhappy guests, social media coming unglued on the PCMR platforms is speaking some volume. I just hope more transient guests make future decisions with their wallet.
On a given holiday like we are in, there is upwards of 20,000+ skier visits across both PMCR/Canhole. After seeing pictures, hearing stories and seeing the social backlash of yesterday, I think a lot of those 20,000 guests are not thrilled and I am sure they are thinking of where to go on their next vacation.
Besides patrol striking, there is also just no open terrain for the crowds. Shit winter so far, overselling of passes, holiday week. Snowstorm inbound. Even if patrol was there and fully staffed there would still be issues, but with the strike going on, it just makes it worse, which is awesome.
Are you saying that the PCMR full time year round patrollers are not part of the union?
midwestcoastAre you saying that the PCMR full time year round patrollers are not part of the union?
Correct. I believe just the hourly patrollers are the unionized and ones striking. There are numerous salaried management members of the patrol team. Something like a patrol director, probably a patrol manager for each side, snow safety manager and director maybe, possibly some salaried "team leads/manages"
There is an article somewhere that outlines this better, this is just my memory I am typing away from.
If anyone has ever been in the equipment or construction business that is union it would be similar to like your project manager or engineer, owner, managers, division heads - they are all non union. Your equipment engineers, teamsters etc are unionized.
Thanks for clarifying. I just assumed it was top down when they unionized. I have friends that worked for Breck Patrol when they unionized and I guess I didn't ask enough questions...
coronaI've read that many of the patrollers are from other Vail resorts. Any chance they're being forced to work at PCMR and it's not their choice? It's possible their contracts (which may be with Vail and not a specific resort) have language about needing to work where there's an operational requirement.
There flight and hotel is paid for + making more than ski patrol was making. I think there's a bonus too. So not forced just incentivized by $$$
midwestcoastAre you saying that the PCMR full time year round patrollers are not part of the union?
Yes that’s correct.
they talk about it in this new IG post if you need confirmation.
Pretty standard practice for unions- management is who they are unionized against so anyone with powers like hiring/firing can’t also be in the union. Even current members would have to “shelf” their membership if they wanted to move into a management role, red jacket or otherwise. The seasonal patrollers are fighting for their contracts, but there are full timers who may wear the same jacket but do completely different things and aren’t union. They can’t strike but no doubt are in private solidarity. Go easy on them, you don’t know who is who. It’s been a hard week for everyone there I bet. hopefully especially for Vail corporate and any genuine scabs flying in for that 600/day
they talk about it in this new IG post if you need confirmation.
Pretty standard practice for unions- management is who they are unionized against so anyone with powers like hiring/firing can’t also be in the union. Even current members would have to “shelf” their membership if they wanted to move into a management role, red jacket or otherwise. The seasonal patrollers are fighting for their contracts, but there are full timers who may wear the same jacket but do completely different things and aren’t union. They can’t strike but no doubt are in private solidarity. Go easy on them, you don’t know who is who. It’s been a hard week for everyone there I bet. hopefully especially for Vail corporate and any genuine scabs flying in for that 600/day
How has it been a hard week? 80% of the terrain is closed it's only groomers sure there might be the odd collision but they aren't taking sleds way the fuck out of bounds.
