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PeppermillRenoIt would be beyond ironic if a skiing company was the one that tipped the modern corporate workplace model where CEOs make millions and the people doing the actual work make nothing.
I'm on the side of the patrollers and don't really give a fuck about some rich fucks spending $1000/night to stay in PC over the holidays but what about the lifties that get sent home and don't get a paycheck bc that lift doesn't spin? Bartenders who get no tips? Customers and other Fail employees get fucked over a lot more in this than Rob Katz who has already pocketed tens of millions from the ski industry.
100% vail resorts needs to go bankrupt. fuck the suits
Lenny-I've never understood why massive underground parking garages aren't common at large resorts.
Ski towns feel like the one part of America that like to pretend public transport is good.
Probably gets voted down just like affordable housing. I'm sure eheath wouldn't be willing to deal with the risk of more traffic (well there would be less bc no one is rushing to get a spot) for easier parking.
Can't have anything nice anymore.
Go read any Facebook posts comments most people are just going off about how they can't afford rent and food and just the thought of a hobby is out of reach.
The crazy thing is no one even cares about the customers here even fellow skiers cheer on other skiers being treated like shit and laugh at people in 2 hour lift lines. I'm guilty of it.
The patrollers have also done Fail a favor and distracted everyone from all the lift malfunctions which are their fault lol. People are just happy to see an evil corporation on their back foot for once.
PeppermillRenoThanks. I fucked all the wedding pictures up by being in them should have made sure there were some of just her.
Epic has been a good fit as half of the season will be spent skiing backwards on a green while she comes down in her pizza and then I grab my turns after 2. We've graduated magic carpets though.
theabortionatorYeah they famously care about wages and rights
scratchskier321all the employees of the LIV tour make hekka cash
Can confirm as my gf is the gm of a property owned by saudis and emratis they don’t give a flying fuck about the wages of the workers. Hell the property actual needs work and they don’t give a fuck about that because the property as is makes a profit every year. So as far as they’re concerned be damned with the upgrades needed, and we’re talking 5 diamond properties.
PartyBullshiitCan confirm as my gf is the gm of a property owned by saudis and emratis they don’t give a flying fuck about the wages of the workers. Hell the property actual needs work and they don’t give a fuck about that because the property as is makes a profit every year. So as far as they’re concerned be damned with the upgrades needed, and we’re talking 5 diamond properties.
then maybe patrol should get back to work. PIF is who is buying stuff this large. vail resorts like 6 billion market cap. PIF can buy easy.
PeppermillRenoProbably gets voted down just like affordable housing. I'm sure eheath wouldn't be willing to deal with the risk of more traffic (well there would be less bc no one is rushing to get a spot) for easier parking.
Can't have anything nice anymore.
Go read any Facebook posts comments most people are just going off about how they can't afford rent and food and just the thought of a hobby is out of reach.
The crazy thing is no one even cares about the customers here even fellow skiers cheer on other skiers being treated like shit and laugh at people in 2 hour lift lines. I'm guilty of it.
The patrollers have also done Fail a favor and distracted everyone from all the lift malfunctions which are their fault lol. People are just happy to see an evil corporation on their back foot for once.
Paid parking and traffic have nothing to do with affordable housing and employees. Jesus Christ
Curious about what ski patrol makes at independent resorts? I keep seeing people saying to support independent resorts but I gotta think that their patrollers are probably paid worse than the resorts on the mega passes.
TOAST.Curious about what ski patrol makes at independent resorts? I keep seeing people saying to support independent resorts but I gotta think that their patrollers are probably paid worse than the resorts on the mega passes.
Not sure. Def still mtns paying cat ops and psrk crew 12 though. At least the cost of living in a lot of those places is massively cheaper.
I'm sure a lot of independents have gone up in mtn ish towns though with having to compete with VR and Alterra doing baseline 20.
I mean fuck, I almost took a part time job at Taco Bell in Tahoe cause it was down the street and starting people at $17(in 2017)
I get that a lot of patrollers stay at the one mtn for a long time, but it'd be pretty tough to love in mtn town USA on much less than that.
TOAST.Curious about what ski patrol makes at independent resorts? I keep seeing people saying to support independent resorts but I gotta think that their patrollers are probably paid worse than the resorts on the mega passes.
$19.50 to $22 if you're lucky or have prior experience for mine at least. On top of being the resorts red headed stepchild by not being a profit center and the necessary evil, our labor budgets gets especially fucked with and are not allowed OT, get sent home early around 1pm or come in around noon, and sit extremely thin with coverage most of the time if we don't have volunteers come into help.
Medical supplies constantly run out and we discover that some of our critical equipment isnt properly functional/broken, or hasn't been replaced in years but you just roll with the punches and improvise.
On top of that, management/ownerships focus is mostly a risk-aversive approach and preventing lawsuits instead of providing patient care and getting people off the hill because of precious insurance prices not going up. Or like places with avalanche terrain (like PC), keeping people from not dying or getting others killed.
Like I said before, this is going to scare the entire industry to its core and it already has as we've seen in the past two weeks. And I don't want to hear "just get a better job" because that's just a sad excuse for mismanagement and greed. I do intend on pursuing legitimate first responder career opportunities but from what I've seen so far, this industry is so fucking crooked from both indys and megas alike and it's great to see this disruption despite people getting legitimately hurt and being blown off by pretend patrollers.
**This post was edited on Jan 6th 2025 at 6:12:22pm
GayWolf420$19.50 to $22 if you're lucky or have prior experience for mine at least. On top of being the resorts red headed stepchild by not being a profit center and the necessary evil, our labor budgets gets especially fucked with and are not allowed OT, get sent home early around 1pm or come in around noon, and sit extremely thin with coverage most of the time if we don't have volunteers come into help.
Medical supplies constantly run out and we discover that some of our critical equipment isnt properly functional/broken, or hasn't been replaced in years but you just roll with the punches and improvise.
On top of that, management/ownerships focus is mostly a risk-aversive approach and preventing lawsuits instead of providing patient care and getting people off the hill because of precious insurance prices not going up. Or like places with avalanche terrain (like PC), keeping people from not dying or getting others killed.
Like I said before, this is going to scare the entire industry to its core and it already has as we've seen in the past two weeks. And I don't want to hear "just get a better job" because that's just a sad excuse for mismanagement and greed. I do intend on pursuing legitimate first responder career opportunities but from what I've seen so far, this industry is so fucking crooked from both indys and megas alike and it's great to see this disruption despite people getting legitimately hurt and being blown off by pretend patrollers.
**This post was edited on Jan 6th 2025 at 6:12:22pm
For sure man. It's tough but it's gotten a lot better. Also ski patrol and pretty much any job you can get some cool on the job training for new skills.
Big mtn ski patrol deserve respect. Shit is gnarly. I watched them blow the biggest avy Ive ever seen at Crystal a couple years ago. Seen them rope sleds through trees on steep steep runs. They're sick
theabortionatorFor sure man. It's tough but it's gotten a lot better. Also ski patrol and pretty much any job you can get some cool on the job training for new skills.
Big mtn ski patrol deserve respect. Shit is gnarly. I watched them blow the biggest avy Ive ever seen at Crystal a couple years ago. Seen them rope sleds through trees on steep steep runs. They're sick
Yeah not trying to be biased or anything but some of the people I've worked with so far are legitimate heroes who are extremely smart and tactful and most importantly great human beings. Anyone willing to get up to the mountain in the early morning in heinous weather conditions to go mitigate life-or-death avalanche conditions deserves a lot more than a pay raise in my opinion but that's neither here nor there.
Also worth noting. I spoke with my assistant director today in the morning about our ongoing struggles (30+ years spent in CO doing snow safety and other things). He said point blank that fucking with budgets, pay, and other things will not only impact mountain operations as a whole but will increase liability claims in the long run. So really it just hurts the overall bottom line as a whole because you have untrained staff dealing with unrealistic demands which means it's not just if you have to hand over a check, it's how many zeros are gonna be at the end of it. All I'm saying is there needs to be a perfect balance.
And for people who are on the side of "Just get a better job" or "Get back to work". Picture your loved one or best friend in their worst moment of their lives either critically injured or buried in a slide. Do you want someone who is poorly trained and doesn't give a shit because they make $600/day and wear a cool red coat working on your family members/friends or would you rather someone skilled, dedicated, and genuinely cares about them getting off the hill safe and to higher levels of care? If your first choice is the first answer then honestly you lack empathy and are probably just a shitty human being.
GayWolf420And for people who are on the side of "Just get a better job" or "Get back to work". Picture your loved one or best friend in their worst moment of their lives either critically injured or buried in a slide. Do you want someone who is poorly trained and doesn't give a shit because they make $600/day and wear a cool red coat working on your family members/friends or would you rather someone skilled, dedicated, and genuinely cares about them getting off the hill safe and to higher levels of care? If your first choice is the first answer then honestly you lack empathy and are probably just a shitty human being.
Not really sure what you're suggesting. Are you saying it's bad for them to get paid more or are you talking about the rando scabs coming in for $$$?
theabortionatorNot really sure what you're suggesting. Are you saying it's bad for them to get paid more or are you talking about the rando scabs coming in for $$$?
eheathOnly thing I've seen so far is the agreement benefits both parties, I'm sure details will come out soon.
I heard they're dedicated to making it up to the skiers that were fucked over and will earn their raise by reopening the gates by 9990. Can you confirm this rumor?
PeppermillRenoI heard they're dedicated to making it up to the skiers that were fucked over and will earn their raise by reopening the gates by 9990. Can you confirm this rumor?
You have no business skiing anything off of the Ridgeline lol
