Sick skiers with sever shin bang, how do you do it

BallClapperHow is it possible you contradict yourself every single time you open your gob.

so i do understand how somone like you might take me saying i don’t ski back seat, and me saying i get shin bang when i land back seat as a contradiction, however skiing back seat would be me in the back seat while im actively turning and carving and all that shit you would consider skiing, while landing back seat is an accident that occurs when i’m learning new ticks like 540s and grabs and such on my 360s that cause me to go off balance in the air land incorrectly. I don’t ski back seat. I do occasionally land back seat. sorry for the confusion.

snormanWell your shins do hurt? So maybe you are in fact skiing backseat. If you don’t think you are I suggest get a lesson from a French guy he will let you know.

my shins only are hurting after a fall i had where i landed hella back seat, they don’t hurt just from skiing in general. but i will keep this in mind, my friend has autism so he passes for french, ill have him take a look

Voyage86ok ok, i’m gana try that but i can say for sure that this doesn’t have anything to do with my ski boots being to high volume. I’m a 26.5 boot with a size 11.5 foot, i can’t move my ankle or heels at all and there is zero play between my calf and back of the boot, and shin and front of the boot.

I appreciate that your an 11.5 in a 26.5. That means absolutely nothing for your calf and leg size. Your ankle and heels have an absolutely nothing to do with your leg and calf size. Those are completely independent of each other.

I can be a 26.5 with a regular calf size. You can be a 26.5 with a chicken leg calf size.
@BallClapper can be a 26.5 with a thunder thigh calf (he is not but you get the point). We are all 26.5 in the lower part of the shell but we all half different calf sizes. That part of the boot will fit us all differently and give us all different feelings and affects. That’s the reason all boots have different lower shell and upper shell shapes.

it’s sounds like your boot fitter did a decent job at fitting the lower half but completely ignored your upper half. Everything you leep
describing is an upper cuff shell that’s too large for your leg size and shape.

I get you dont want new liners or new boots. Ok cool. No issues there. But i would absolutely install the spoilers to reduce more volume and then add new straps. Based off my research the 120 is like my
130 power strap and the booster is close enough to those. so I’d personally grab the tru strap which is going to give you maximum volume reduction.

you’re going to be the most locked in with that strap b my far. Same price between that and the booster. But booster won’t give you the liner wrap.

PartyBullshiitI appreciate that your an 11.5 in a 26.5. That means absolutely nothing for your calf and leg size. Your ankle and heels have an absolutely nothing to do with your leg and calf size. Those are completely independent of each other.

I can be a 26.5 with a regular calf size. You can be a 26.5 with a chicken leg calf size.
@BallClapper can be a 26.5 with a thunder thigh calf (he is not but you get the point). We are all 26.5 in the lower part of the shell but we all half different calf sizes. That part of the boot will fit us all differently and give us all different feelings and affects. That’s the reason all boots have different lower shell and upper shell shapes.

it’s sounds like your boot fitter did a decent job at fitting the lower half but completely ignored your upper half. Everything you leep
describing is an upper cuff shell that’s too large for your leg size and shape.

I get you dont want new liners or new boots. Ok cool. No issues there. But i would absolutely install the spoilers to reduce more volume and then add new straps. Based off my research the 120 is like my
130 power strap and the booster is close enough to those. so I’d personally grab the tru strap which is going to give you maximum volume reduction.

you’re going to be the most locked in with that strap b my far. Same price between that and the booster. But booster won’t give you the liner wrap.

but i just told you that there was zero play in my shin and ankle area… my boots fit great, i promise man, my boot fitter did not forget about that part, he decided i didn’t need the spoilers but he did look at it i promise

Voyage86but i just told you that there was zero play in my shin and ankle area… my boots fit great, i promise man, my boot fitter did not forget about that part, he decided i didn’t need the spoilers but he did look at it i promise

You keep mentioning ankles. They have absolutely NOTHING to do with what we’re talking about. Ankle size is ankle size. Calf size is calf size. Two completely independent ratios and sizes from each other. That was my point in the last post about you me and ballclapidapy



what you keep describing Is a calf fit that is off. Let’s assume your boot fitter isn’t god. I’d recommend installing the spoilers. That’s free. You have them. Throw them in. It’s going to reduce the volume in your leg area. Especially in your calf. If you’re willing to spend the money get the tru straps. Try them. Worst case flip them. I’ll buy them. But I’d bet anything it’s going to make your experience night and day different and you won’t want to get rid of them.

Here’s the facts. You’re describing shin pain caused from landing back seat, called calf bang (not skiing back seat). Thats caused from One or a combo of a few things.

your boots don’t fit right (you say they do)

your legs are weak(you say they aren’t)

your technique is horrible (you say it isn’t)

so basically you’re saying I have this pain but saying none of the things that cause said pain can be true.

so here we are……

Voyage86but i just told you that there was zero play in my shin and ankle area… my boots fit great, i promise man, my boot fitter did not forget about that part, he decided i didn’t need the spoilers but he did look at it i promise

Without seeing anything for ourselves, the best anyone on this site can do is offer a best guess.

Bootfitters can be wrong. If I were you, I'd look up muay thai how to fix damaged shins with sylvie von duuglas, she also has a good video on shin splints that may help you. This is for your current pain.

Next, I'd take the advice of others and look at your boots. If your liner has loops to add laces, add them. If not wrap a voile strap around the top part of your liners. This is similar to what people do when they put their booster straps under the shell. You can also buy velcro straps from intuition, or buy something like the patriot strap (tru strap). But to save some cash I'd start with testing some voile straps before buying something more expensive that may not help you. You can even try putting your spoilers in your boots for a day to see if they help and if not (gasp) simply take them back out.

As with anything bootfitting related, it's all trial and error, get out there and try some of these suggestions, see what works or doesn't and get a better understanding for yourself of what your real problem could be.

PartyBullshiitYou keep mentioning ankles. They have absolutely NOTHING to do with what we’re talking about. Ankle size is ankle size. Calf size is calf size. Two completely independent ratios and sizes from each other. That was my point in the last post about you me and ballclapidapy



what you keep describing Is a calf fit that is off. Let’s assume your boot fitter isn’t god. I’d recommend installing the spoilers. That’s free. You have them. Throw them in. It’s going to reduce the volume in your leg area. Especially in your calf. If you’re willing to spend the money get the tru straps. Try them. Worst case flip them. I’ll buy them. But I’d bet anything it’s going to make your experience night and day different and you won’t want to get rid of them.

Here’s the facts. You’re describing shin pain caused from landing back seat, called calf bang (not skiing back seat). Thats caused from One or a combo of a few things.

your boots don’t fit right (you say they do)

your legs are weak(you say they aren’t)

your technique is horrible (you say it isn’t)

so basically you’re saying I have this pain but saying none of the things that cause said pain can be true.

so here we are……

well i will give strap a try and i guess i will give the spoilers a try to but my calf bang is for sure from bad technique, its from landing back seat off jumps.

PoikenzWithout seeing anything for ourselves, the best anyone on this site can do is offer a best guess.

Bootfitters can be wrong. If I were you, I'd look up muay thai how to fix damaged shins with sylvie von duuglas, she also has a good video on shin splints that may help you. This is for your current pain.

Next, I'd take the advice of others and look at your boots. If your liner has loops to add laces, add them. If not wrap a voile strap around the top part of your liners. This is similar to what people do when they put their booster straps under the shell. You can also buy velcro straps from intuition, or buy something like the patriot strap (tru strap). But to save some cash I'd start with testing some voile straps before buying something more expensive that may not help you. You can even try putting your spoilers in your boots for a day to see if they help and if not (gasp) simply take them back out.

As with anything bootfitting related, it's all trial and error, get out there and try some of these suggestions, see what works or doesn't and get a better understanding for yourself of what your real problem could be.

i’ll check out the videos for sure, i got my laces in and always lace up tight with the liner out of my boot before stepping in. Thanks for the advice, im gana give the spoilers a try and im gana start with cranking my power strap on there right now. I got come volle straps to, never thought to use that so i’ll give it a go, thanks

I think I'll try that too. Calf hold in my boot is pretty good but could be better, this with laces would be baller. Thanks.

PartyBullshiitso I’d personally grab the tru strap which is going to give you maximum volume reduction.

you’re going to be the most locked in with that strap b my far. Same price between that and the booster. But booster won’t give you the liner wrap.

BallClapperI think I'll try that too. Calf hold in my boot is pretty good but could be better, this with laces would be baller. Thanks.

yes sir ballclapper, way to be

first step in getting rid of active shin bang is to rest sadly, then start doing all the things people talk about. Also the foam inserts that go in the front of your boots can help too.

Voyage86I’m a pretty good skier technique wise but i’m really working on progressing my free ride skiing, sending big drops, throwing my 180s and 360s outside of the park and working on 540s and learning rails this season. I’ve always had bad shins, i would get horrible shin splints in highschool playing football. I’m out in colorado this season, now living here, moving from chicago. Back home the mountains were so small that i got minor shin bang but nothing crazy because i literally couldn’t fall hard enough. Here tho, first day in the trees, i find a cliff at coper, send it, lace it, ski out into a mogul feild and blow up on a mugul, i land hard back seat on my left leg and then proceed to tamahawk, but bam just like that i can’t ski for two weeks and even just touching my left tibia hurts like crazy. It’s not broken, it’s feeling better each day, but this isn’t sustainable. Every time i land back seat where my shin flexes over the back of the boot i get shin bang, the worse the landing the worse is it. How am i supposed to progress like this? Even just a small back seat landing from a poor 360 takes me out for the next two days. If you’re a good skier who gets shin bang like this please tell me how you do it, if it’s not possible to get good with shin bang like this tell me that to. But watching edits and seeing people land back seat in ways that would take me out for weeks just makes me think it might not even be possible to get to where i want to be.

I pop fent and hard narcotics to handle the pain

Lip_onI pop fent and hard narcotics to handle the pain

hopped on that recently but i send so hard and slam so badly because im shit, the pain creeps over the fent buzz after like an hour

Voyage86hopped on that recently but i send so hard and slam so badly because im shit, the pain creeps over the fent buzz after like an hour

Sounds like you gotta lean harder too

Whether the boot fits or not is another debate but I'll tell you what significantly reduced if not eliminated my shinbang. Most of this info is from @SkierPT

First, you gotta focus on recovery, it will only get worse if you aren't fully recovered. I too have had excruciating shinbang so bad that I had to call it a day, feels like someone is whacking your shins with a wooden baseball bat.

1. You need to get a foam roller, and roll both your shins out. Kneel down with as much of your weight as you can bear right on your tibia, pressed into the roller. Roll all the way up, then all the way down, slowly. That's one rep. Do 20 reps each leg. It will be painful. Then, do the same exact thing with your calves. Whatever position is comfortable, just make sure there is a good amount of pressure and you go slow. 20 reps each leg. From what I understand, this accelerates the healing process by forcefully moving damaged/inflamed tissue away from the lower leg faster than your body can naturally. It also increases blood flow to the area which promotes quicker healing. Also, you can buy a knockoff Theragun at Walmart for like $40. Using that on your calf muscle and even your anterior tibialis will basically do the same thing as the foam roller, not totally necessary but helps.

2. Get yourself a large, flexible ice pack, and a cheap electric heating pad (or a hot compress that can be heated in the microwave.) You can get both at any drug store. Alternate between hot and cold, 15 minutes hot 15 cold. One leg at a time so the ice pack doesn't warm up too much. The electric heating pad is convenient b/c you don't have to microwave it, and it wraps around your lower leg better. You can pretty much do this as much as you want. Heat is more beneficial for healing because it promotes blood flow, cold is more beneficial for pain reduction and limiting the amount of inflammation. Some inflammation is good as it is part of the healing process, but too much will damage healthy cells. Heat + cold is the most effective.

Next, do what everyone else is saying and focus on conditioning your shins. Personally what worked best for me was anterior tibialis raises, running on hard surfaces, and roundhouse kicks on a heavy bag. The most effective is probably the anterior tib raises, plus you can literally do them with no gym equipment. Don't worry about reps or anything just do as many as you can to failure x however many sets, you'll feel it. Doing calf raises, single leg and double leg, is also very beneficial and strengthens your entire lower leg, knee ligaments, and ankle joint.

Yes, booster straps help a lot but don't always fully solve the problem, I think the tru strap may be a better option.

Another thing to note is that none of this will be very effective if you aren't consistent with it. I was very consistent and pretty much never get excruciating shin bang like I used to and was able to cut my recovery time in half back when I was getting it. You have a strength training background so you know the gains don't come overnight. I'm talking anterior tib raises, AT LEAST 2x per week for 3 months straight to see improvement.

Sorry for the essay, hope this advice helps bro bro.

BIIIGZWhether the boot fits or not is another debate but I'll tell you what significantly reduced if not eliminated my shinbang. Most of this info is from @SkierPT

First, you gotta focus on recovery, it will only get worse if you aren't fully recovered. I too have had excruciating shinbang so bad that I had to call it a day, feels like someone is whacking your shins with a wooden baseball bat.

1. You need to get a foam roller, and roll both your shins out. Kneel down with as much of your weight as you can bear right on your tibia, pressed into the roller. Roll all the way up, then all the way down, slowly. That's one rep. Do 20 reps each leg. It will be painful. Then, do the same exact thing with your calves. Whatever position is comfortable, just make sure there is a good amount of pressure and you go slow. 20 reps each leg. From what I understand, this accelerates the healing process by forcefully moving damaged/inflamed tissue away from the lower leg faster than your body can naturally. It also increases blood flow to the area which promotes quicker healing. Also, you can buy a knockoff Theragun at Walmart for like $40. Using that on your calf muscle and even your anterior tibialis will basically do the same thing as the foam roller, not totally necessary but helps.

2. Get yourself a large, flexible ice pack, and a cheap electric heating pad (or a hot compress that can be heated in the microwave.) You can get both at any drug store. Alternate between hot and cold, 15 minutes hot 15 cold. One leg at a time so the ice pack doesn't warm up too much. The electric heating pad is convenient b/c you don't have to microwave it, and it wraps around your lower leg better. You can pretty much do this as much as you want. Heat is more beneficial for healing because it promotes blood flow, cold is more beneficial for pain reduction and limiting the amount of inflammation. Some inflammation is good as it is part of the healing process, but too much will damage healthy cells. Heat + cold is the most effective.

Next, do what everyone else is saying and focus on conditioning your shins. Personally what worked best for me was anterior tibialis raises, running on hard surfaces, and roundhouse kicks on a heavy bag. The most effective is probably the anterior tib raises, plus you can literally do them with no gym equipment. Don't worry about reps or anything just do as many as you can to failure x however many sets, you'll feel it. Doing calf raises, single leg and double leg, is also very beneficial and strengthens your entire lower leg, knee ligaments, and ankle joint.

Yes, booster straps help a lot but don't always fully solve the problem, I think the tru strap may be a better option.

Another thing to note is that none of this will be very effective if you aren't consistent with it. I was very consistent and pretty much never get excruciating shin bang like I used to and was able to cut my recovery time in half back when I was getting it. You have a strength training background so you know the gains don't come overnight. I'm talking anterior tib raises, AT LEAST 2x per week for 3 months straight to see improvement.

Sorry for the essay, hope this advice helps bro bro.

this my new bible, thank you. I been on the tib raises for the past two weeks doing them every other day. Hope to start seeing some slight progress in a month or two. I also started doing backward sled walks in a low squat with 135lbs to strengthen my ACL, MCL and LCL to hopefully take more load off my shins and tib. No idea if that will work but it’s probably a good thing to do anyway. I don’t ever seem to experience true swelling on my tibia but i’ll try and heat with the cold and see if it works. I’ll hop on the foam roller and the sand bag round houses but i can’t run on cement. My shin splints will come back after like 2 days which would ruin me. Thanks for the advice.

Try addys and OxyContin, you won’t be leaning but you’ll still be locked in to kfeds

Voyage86hopped on that recently but i send so hard and slam so badly because im shit, the pain creeps over the fent buzz after like an hour

BIIIGZWhether the boot fits or not is another debate but I'll tell you what significantly reduced if not eliminated my shinbang. Most of this info is from @SkierPT

First, you gotta focus on recovery, it will only get worse if you aren't fully recovered. I too have had excruciating shinbang so bad that I had to call it a day, feels like someone is whacking your shins with a wooden baseball bat.

1. You need to get a foam roller, and roll both your shins out. Kneel down with as much of your weight as you can bear right on your tibia, pressed into the roller. Roll all the way up, then all the way down, slowly. That's one rep. Do 20 reps each leg. It will be painful. Then, do the same exact thing with your calves. Whatever position is comfortable, just make sure there is a good amount of pressure and you go slow. 20 reps each leg. From what I understand, this accelerates the healing process by forcefully moving damaged/inflamed tissue away from the lower leg faster than your body can naturally. It also increases blood flow to the area which promotes quicker healing. Also, you can buy a knockoff Theragun at Walmart for like $40. Using that on your calf muscle and even your anterior tibialis will basically do the same thing as the foam roller, not totally necessary but helps.

2. Get yourself a large, flexible ice pack, and a cheap electric heating pad (or a hot compress that can be heated in the microwave.) You can get both at any drug store. Alternate between hot and cold, 15 minutes hot 15 cold. One leg at a time so the ice pack doesn't warm up too much. The electric heating pad is convenient b/c you don't have to microwave it, and it wraps around your lower leg better. You can pretty much do this as much as you want. Heat is more beneficial for healing because it promotes blood flow, cold is more beneficial for pain reduction and limiting the amount of inflammation. Some inflammation is good as it is part of the healing process, but too much will damage healthy cells. Heat + cold is the most effective.

Next, do what everyone else is saying and focus on conditioning your shins. Personally what worked best for me was anterior tibialis raises, running on hard surfaces, and roundhouse kicks on a heavy bag. The most effective is probably the anterior tib raises, plus you can literally do them with no gym equipment. Don't worry about reps or anything just do as many as you can to failure x however many sets, you'll feel it. Doing calf raises, single leg and double leg, is also very beneficial and strengthens your entire lower leg, knee ligaments, and ankle joint.

Yes, booster straps help a lot but don't always fully solve the problem, I think the tru strap may be a better option.

Another thing to note is that none of this will be very effective if you aren't consistent with it. I was very consistent and pretty much never get excruciating shin bang like I used to and was able to cut my recovery time in half back when I was getting it. You have a strength training background so you know the gains don't come overnight. I'm talking anterior tib raises, AT LEAST 2x per week for 3 months straight to see improvement.

Sorry for the essay, hope this advice helps bro bro.

one thing though, i think i have a bone bruise on my tibia, i don’t think the tissue is what’s hurting. So thinking about it now how would foam rolling help that? i don’t think it would