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Sick skiers with sever shin bang, how do you do it
I’m a pretty good skier technique wise but i’m really working on progressing my free ride skiing, sending big drops, throwing my 180s and 360s outside of the park and working on 540s and learning rails this season. I’ve always had bad shins, i would get horrible shin splints in highschool playing football. I’m out in colorado this season, now living here, moving from chicago. Back home the mountains were so small that i got minor shin bang but nothing crazy because i literally couldn’t fall hard enough. Here tho, first day in the trees, i find a cliff at coper, send it, lace it, ski out into a mogul feild and blow up on a mugul, i land hard back seat on my left leg and then proceed to tamahawk, but bam just like that i can’t ski for two weeks and even just touching my left tibia hurts like crazy. It’s not broken, it’s feeling better each day, but this isn’t sustainable. Every time i land back seat where my shin flexes over the back of the boot i get shin bang, the worse the landing the worse is it. How am i supposed to progress like this? Even just a small back seat landing from a poor 360 takes me out for the next two days. If you’re a good skier who gets shin bang like this please tell me how you do it, if it’s not possible to get good with shin bang like this tell me that to. But watching edits and seeing people land back seat in ways that would take me out for weeks just makes me think it might not even be possible to get to where i want to be.
BallClapperHow is it possible you contradict yourself every single time you open your gob.
so i do understand how somone like you might take me saying i don’t ski back seat, and me saying i get shin bang when i land back seat as a contradiction, however skiing back seat would be me in the back seat while im actively turning and carving and all that shit you would consider skiing, while landing back seat is an accident that occurs when i’m learning new ticks like 540s and grabs and such on my 360s that cause me to go off balance in the air land incorrectly. I don’t ski back seat. I do occasionally land back seat. sorry for the confusion.
snormanWell your shins do hurt? So maybe you are in fact skiing backseat. If you don’t think you are I suggest get a lesson from a French guy he will let you know.
my shins only are hurting after a fall i had where i landed hella back seat, they don’t hurt just from skiing in general. but i will keep this in mind, my friend has autism so he passes for french, ill have him take a look
Voyage86ok ok, i’m gana try that but i can say for sure that this doesn’t have anything to do with my ski boots being to high volume. I’m a 26.5 boot with a size 11.5 foot, i can’t move my ankle or heels at all and there is zero play between my calf and back of the boot, and shin and front of the boot.
I appreciate that your an 11.5 in a 26.5. That means absolutely nothing for your calf and leg size. Your ankle and heels have an absolutely nothing to do with your leg and calf size. Those are completely independent of each other.
I can be a 26.5 with a regular calf size. You can be a 26.5 with a chicken leg calf size. @0___ can be a 26.5 with a thunder thigh calf (he is not but you get the point). We are all 26.5 in the lower part of the shell but we all half different calf sizes. That part of the boot will fit us all differently and give us all different feelings and affects. That’s the reason all boots have different lower shell and upper shell shapes.
it’s sounds like your boot fitter did a decent job at fitting the lower half but completely ignored your upper half. Everything you leep
describing is an upper cuff shell that’s too large for your leg size and shape.
I get you dont want new liners or new boots. Ok cool. No issues there. But i would absolutely install the spoilers to reduce more volume and then add new straps. Based off my research the 120 is like my
130 power strap and the booster is close enough to those. so I’d personally grab the tru strap which is going to give you maximum volume reduction.
you’re going to be the most locked in with that strap b my far. Same price between that and the booster. But booster won’t give you the liner wrap.
PartyBullshiitI appreciate that your an 11.5 in a 26.5. That means absolutely nothing for your calf and leg size. Your ankle and heels have an absolutely nothing to do with your leg and calf size. Those are completely independent of each other.
I can be a 26.5 with a regular calf size. You can be a 26.5 with a chicken leg calf size. @0___ can be a 26.5 with a thunder thigh calf (he is not but you get the point). We are all 26.5 in the lower part of the shell but we all half different calf sizes. That part of the boot will fit us all differently and give us all different feelings and affects. That’s the reason all boots have different lower shell and upper shell shapes.
it’s sounds like your boot fitter did a decent job at fitting the lower half but completely ignored your upper half. Everything you leep
describing is an upper cuff shell that’s too large for your leg size and shape.
I get you dont want new liners or new boots. Ok cool. No issues there. But i would absolutely install the spoilers to reduce more volume and then add new straps. Based off my research the 120 is like my
130 power strap and the booster is close enough to those. so I’d personally grab the tru strap which is going to give you maximum volume reduction.
you’re going to be the most locked in with that strap b my far. Same price between that and the booster. But booster won’t give you the liner wrap.
but i just told you that there was zero play in my shin and ankle area… my boots fit great, i promise man, my boot fitter did not forget about that part, he decided i didn’t need the spoilers but he did look at it i promise
Voyage86but i just told you that there was zero play in my shin and ankle area… my boots fit great, i promise man, my boot fitter did not forget about that part, he decided i didn’t need the spoilers but he did look at it i promise
You keep mentioning ankles. They have absolutely NOTHING to do with what we’re talking about. Ankle size is ankle size. Calf size is calf size. Two completely independent ratios and sizes from each other. That was my point in the last post about you me and ballclapidapy
what you keep describing Is a calf fit that is off. Let’s assume your boot fitter isn’t god. I’d recommend installing the spoilers. That’s free. You have them. Throw them in. It’s going to reduce the volume in your leg area. Especially in your calf. If you’re willing to spend the money get the tru straps. Try them. Worst case flip them. I’ll buy them. But I’d bet anything it’s going to make your experience night and day different and you won’t want to get rid of them.
Here’s the facts. You’re describing shin pain caused from landing back seat, called calf bang (not skiing back seat). Thats caused from One or a combo of a few things.
your boots don’t fit right (you say they do)
your legs are weak(you say they aren’t)
your technique is horrible (you say it isn’t)
so basically you’re saying I have this pain but saying none of the things that cause said pain can be true.
Voyage86but i just told you that there was zero play in my shin and ankle area… my boots fit great, i promise man, my boot fitter did not forget about that part, he decided i didn’t need the spoilers but he did look at it i promise
Without seeing anything for ourselves, the best anyone on this site can do is offer a best guess.
Bootfitters can be wrong. If I were you, I'd look up muay thai how to fix damaged shins with sylvie von duuglas, she also has a good video on shin splints that may help you. This is for your current pain.
Next, I'd take the advice of others and look at your boots. If your liner has loops to add laces, add them. If not wrap a voile strap around the top part of your liners. This is similar to what people do when they put their booster straps under the shell. You can also buy velcro straps from intuition, or buy something like the patriot strap (tru strap). But to save some cash I'd start with testing some voile straps before buying something more expensive that may not help you. You can even try putting your spoilers in your boots for a day to see if they help and if not (gasp) simply take them back out.
As with anything bootfitting related, it's all trial and error, get out there and try some of these suggestions, see what works or doesn't and get a better understanding for yourself of what your real problem could be.
PartyBullshiitYou keep mentioning ankles. They have absolutely NOTHING to do with what we’re talking about. Ankle size is ankle size. Calf size is calf size. Two completely independent ratios and sizes from each other. That was my point in the last post about you me and ballclapidapy
what you keep describing Is a calf fit that is off. Let’s assume your boot fitter isn’t god. I’d recommend installing the spoilers. That’s free. You have them. Throw them in. It’s going to reduce the volume in your leg area. Especially in your calf. If you’re willing to spend the money get the tru straps. Try them. Worst case flip them. I’ll buy them. But I’d bet anything it’s going to make your experience night and day different and you won’t want to get rid of them.
Here’s the facts. You’re describing shin pain caused from landing back seat, called calf bang (not skiing back seat). Thats caused from One or a combo of a few things.
your boots don’t fit right (you say they do)
your legs are weak(you say they aren’t)
your technique is horrible (you say it isn’t)
so basically you’re saying I have this pain but saying none of the things that cause said pain can be true.
so here we are……
well i will give strap a try and i guess i will give the spoilers a try to but my calf bang is for sure from bad technique, its from landing back seat off jumps.
PoikenzWithout seeing anything for ourselves, the best anyone on this site can do is offer a best guess.
Bootfitters can be wrong. If I were you, I'd look up muay thai how to fix damaged shins with sylvie von duuglas, she also has a good video on shin splints that may help you. This is for your current pain.
Next, I'd take the advice of others and look at your boots. If your liner has loops to add laces, add them. If not wrap a voile strap around the top part of your liners. This is similar to what people do when they put their booster straps under the shell. You can also buy velcro straps from intuition, or buy something like the patriot strap (tru strap). But to save some cash I'd start with testing some voile straps before buying something more expensive that may not help you. You can even try putting your spoilers in your boots for a day to see if they help and if not (gasp) simply take them back out.
As with anything bootfitting related, it's all trial and error, get out there and try some of these suggestions, see what works or doesn't and get a better understanding for yourself of what your real problem could be.
i’ll check out the videos for sure, i got my laces in and always lace up tight with the liner out of my boot before stepping in. Thanks for the advice, im gana give the spoilers a try and im gana start with cranking my power strap on there right now. I got come volle straps to, never thought to use that so i’ll give it a go, thanks
first step in getting rid of active shin bang is to rest sadly, then start doing all the things people talk about. Also the foam inserts that go in the front of your boots can help too.
Voyage86I’m a pretty good skier technique wise but i’m really working on progressing my free ride skiing, sending big drops, throwing my 180s and 360s outside of the park and working on 540s and learning rails this season. I’ve always had bad shins, i would get horrible shin splints in highschool playing football. I’m out in colorado this season, now living here, moving from chicago. Back home the mountains were so small that i got minor shin bang but nothing crazy because i literally couldn’t fall hard enough. Here tho, first day in the trees, i find a cliff at coper, send it, lace it, ski out into a mogul feild and blow up on a mugul, i land hard back seat on my left leg and then proceed to tamahawk, but bam just like that i can’t ski for two weeks and even just touching my left tibia hurts like crazy. It’s not broken, it’s feeling better each day, but this isn’t sustainable. Every time i land back seat where my shin flexes over the back of the boot i get shin bang, the worse the landing the worse is it. How am i supposed to progress like this? Even just a small back seat landing from a poor 360 takes me out for the next two days. If you’re a good skier who gets shin bang like this please tell me how you do it, if it’s not possible to get good with shin bang like this tell me that to. But watching edits and seeing people land back seat in ways that would take me out for weeks just makes me think it might not even be possible to get to where i want to be.
Whether the boot fits or not is another debate but I'll tell you what significantly reduced if not eliminated my shinbang. Most of this info is from @SkierPT
First, you gotta focus on recovery, it will only get worse if you aren't fully recovered. I too have had excruciating shinbang so bad that I had to call it a day, feels like someone is whacking your shins with a wooden baseball bat.
1. You need to get a foam roller, and roll both your shins out. Kneel down with as much of your weight as you can bear right on your tibia, pressed into the roller. Roll all the way up, then all the way down, slowly. That's one rep. Do 20 reps each leg. It will be painful. Then, do the same exact thing with your calves. Whatever position is comfortable, just make sure there is a good amount of pressure and you go slow. 20 reps each leg. From what I understand, this accelerates the healing process by forcefully moving damaged/inflamed tissue away from the lower leg faster than your body can naturally. It also increases blood flow to the area which promotes quicker healing. Also, you can buy a knockoff Theragun at Walmart for like $40. Using that on your calf muscle and even your anterior tibialis will basically do the same thing as the foam roller, not totally necessary but helps.
2. Get yourself a large, flexible ice pack, and a cheap electric heating pad (or a hot compress that can be heated in the microwave.) You can get both at any drug store. Alternate between hot and cold, 15 minutes hot 15 cold. One leg at a time so the ice pack doesn't warm up too much. The electric heating pad is convenient b/c you don't have to microwave it, and it wraps around your lower leg better. You can pretty much do this as much as you want. Heat is more beneficial for healing because it promotes blood flow, cold is more beneficial for pain reduction and limiting the amount of inflammation. Some inflammation is good as it is part of the healing process, but too much will damage healthy cells. Heat + cold is the most effective.
Next, do what everyone else is saying and focus on conditioning your shins. Personally what worked best for me was anterior tibialis raises, running on hard surfaces, and roundhouse kicks on a heavy bag. The most effective is probably the anterior tib raises, plus you can literally do them with no gym equipment. Don't worry about reps or anything just do as many as you can to failure x however many sets, you'll feel it. Doing calf raises, single leg and double leg, is also very beneficial and strengthens your entire lower leg, knee ligaments, and ankle joint.
Yes, booster straps help a lot but don't always fully solve the problem, I think the tru strap may be a better option.
Another thing to note is that none of this will be very effective if you aren't consistent with it. I was very consistent and pretty much never get excruciating shin bang like I used to and was able to cut my recovery time in half back when I was getting it. You have a strength training background so you know the gains don't come overnight. I'm talking anterior tib raises, AT LEAST 2x per week for 3 months straight to see improvement.
Sorry for the essay, hope this advice helps bro bro.
BIIIGZWhether the boot fits or not is another debate but I'll tell you what significantly reduced if not eliminated my shinbang. Most of this info is from @SkierPT
First, you gotta focus on recovery, it will only get worse if you aren't fully recovered. I too have had excruciating shinbang so bad that I had to call it a day, feels like someone is whacking your shins with a wooden baseball bat.
1. You need to get a foam roller, and roll both your shins out. Kneel down with as much of your weight as you can bear right on your tibia, pressed into the roller. Roll all the way up, then all the way down, slowly. That's one rep. Do 20 reps each leg. It will be painful. Then, do the same exact thing with your calves. Whatever position is comfortable, just make sure there is a good amount of pressure and you go slow. 20 reps each leg. From what I understand, this accelerates the healing process by forcefully moving damaged/inflamed tissue away from the lower leg faster than your body can naturally. It also increases blood flow to the area which promotes quicker healing. Also, you can buy a knockoff Theragun at Walmart for like $40. Using that on your calf muscle and even your anterior tibialis will basically do the same thing as the foam roller, not totally necessary but helps.
2. Get yourself a large, flexible ice pack, and a cheap electric heating pad (or a hot compress that can be heated in the microwave.) You can get both at any drug store. Alternate between hot and cold, 15 minutes hot 15 cold. One leg at a time so the ice pack doesn't warm up too much. The electric heating pad is convenient b/c you don't have to microwave it, and it wraps around your lower leg better. You can pretty much do this as much as you want. Heat is more beneficial for healing because it promotes blood flow, cold is more beneficial for pain reduction and limiting the amount of inflammation. Some inflammation is good as it is part of the healing process, but too much will damage healthy cells. Heat + cold is the most effective.
Next, do what everyone else is saying and focus on conditioning your shins. Personally what worked best for me was anterior tibialis raises, running on hard surfaces, and roundhouse kicks on a heavy bag. The most effective is probably the anterior tib raises, plus you can literally do them with no gym equipment. Don't worry about reps or anything just do as many as you can to failure x however many sets, you'll feel it. Doing calf raises, single leg and double leg, is also very beneficial and strengthens your entire lower leg, knee ligaments, and ankle joint.
Yes, booster straps help a lot but don't always fully solve the problem, I think the tru strap may be a better option.
Another thing to note is that none of this will be very effective if you aren't consistent with it. I was very consistent and pretty much never get excruciating shin bang like I used to and was able to cut my recovery time in half back when I was getting it. You have a strength training background so you know the gains don't come overnight. I'm talking anterior tib raises, AT LEAST 2x per week for 3 months straight to see improvement.
Sorry for the essay, hope this advice helps bro bro.
this my new bible, thank you. I been on the tib raises for the past two weeks doing them every other day. Hope to start seeing some slight progress in a month or two. I also started doing backward sled walks in a low squat with 135lbs to strengthen my ACL, MCL and LCL to hopefully take more load off my shins and tib. No idea if that will work but it’s probably a good thing to do anyway. I don’t ever seem to experience true swelling on my tibia but i’ll try and heat with the cold and see if it works. I’ll hop on the foam roller and the sand bag round houses but i can’t run on cement. My shin splints will come back after like 2 days which would ruin me. Thanks for the advice.
BIIIGZWhether the boot fits or not is another debate but I'll tell you what significantly reduced if not eliminated my shinbang. Most of this info is from @SkierPT
First, you gotta focus on recovery, it will only get worse if you aren't fully recovered. I too have had excruciating shinbang so bad that I had to call it a day, feels like someone is whacking your shins with a wooden baseball bat.
1. You need to get a foam roller, and roll both your shins out. Kneel down with as much of your weight as you can bear right on your tibia, pressed into the roller. Roll all the way up, then all the way down, slowly. That's one rep. Do 20 reps each leg. It will be painful. Then, do the same exact thing with your calves. Whatever position is comfortable, just make sure there is a good amount of pressure and you go slow. 20 reps each leg. From what I understand, this accelerates the healing process by forcefully moving damaged/inflamed tissue away from the lower leg faster than your body can naturally. It also increases blood flow to the area which promotes quicker healing. Also, you can buy a knockoff Theragun at Walmart for like $40. Using that on your calf muscle and even your anterior tibialis will basically do the same thing as the foam roller, not totally necessary but helps.
2. Get yourself a large, flexible ice pack, and a cheap electric heating pad (or a hot compress that can be heated in the microwave.) You can get both at any drug store. Alternate between hot and cold, 15 minutes hot 15 cold. One leg at a time so the ice pack doesn't warm up too much. The electric heating pad is convenient b/c you don't have to microwave it, and it wraps around your lower leg better. You can pretty much do this as much as you want. Heat is more beneficial for healing because it promotes blood flow, cold is more beneficial for pain reduction and limiting the amount of inflammation. Some inflammation is good as it is part of the healing process, but too much will damage healthy cells. Heat + cold is the most effective.
Next, do what everyone else is saying and focus on conditioning your shins. Personally what worked best for me was anterior tibialis raises, running on hard surfaces, and roundhouse kicks on a heavy bag. The most effective is probably the anterior tib raises, plus you can literally do them with no gym equipment. Don't worry about reps or anything just do as many as you can to failure x however many sets, you'll feel it. Doing calf raises, single leg and double leg, is also very beneficial and strengthens your entire lower leg, knee ligaments, and ankle joint.
Yes, booster straps help a lot but don't always fully solve the problem, I think the tru strap may be a better option.
Another thing to note is that none of this will be very effective if you aren't consistent with it. I was very consistent and pretty much never get excruciating shin bang like I used to and was able to cut my recovery time in half back when I was getting it. You have a strength training background so you know the gains don't come overnight. I'm talking anterior tib raises, AT LEAST 2x per week for 3 months straight to see improvement.
Sorry for the essay, hope this advice helps bro bro.
one thing though, i think i have a bone bruise on my tibia, i don’t think the tissue is what’s hurting. So thinking about it now how would foam rolling help that? i don’t think it would
You may not know this, but bone is not just made of solid mineral. It is porous and interwoven with blood vessels. That is where blood cells are produced after all. It is also completely surrounded by a membrane called the periosteum which is mainly blood vessels and connective tissues.
A bone bruise is literally a small hematoma from those blood vessels within the bone or the membrane surrounding it. So yes, even if you think you have a bone bruise, the pressure from foam rolling will still push damaged tissue away from the site and improve blood flow to the area which will speed up the healing process. Heat and ice will still be beneficial as well. Go get a foam roller from dicks or walmart or something and try it right now, you’ll feel the relief after you finish one set trust me.
Voyage86one thing though, i think i have a bone bruise on my tibia, i don’t think the tissue is what’s hurting. So thinking about it now how would foam rolling help that? i don’t think it would
BIIIGZYou may not know this, but bone is not just made of solid mineral. It is porous and interwoven with blood vessels. That is where blood cells are produced after all. It is also completely surrounded by a membrane called the periosteum which is mainly blood vessels and connective tissues.
A bone bruise is literally a small hematoma from those blood vessels within the bone or the membrane surrounding it. So yes, even if you think you have a bone bruise, the pressure from foam rolling will still push damaged tissue away from the site and improve blood flow to the area which will speed up the healing process. Heat and ice will still be beneficial as well. Go get a foam roller from dicks or walmart or something and try it right now, you’ll feel the relief after you finish one set trust me.
ok cool that’s good to know, i did foam roll it 20 reps as you said yesterday and today and honestly it just hurts a lot. Today my shin seemed a tad stronger when i tried my boot on so maybe it works, ill keep at it
question, as my boots not fitting is making me not want to ski anymore
I have gone to my local shop to get boots fit the last 2 years.
Last year I was put in a 26.5 fischer boot with low profile liner. used shin foam things to take up volume, as bootfitter say I have chicken calfs, vaccumed them, custom footbeds, booster straps. my feet felt like they were moving forward and back 10 miles whenever I leaned either way, toebang and heel lift like a mf. no shinbang really.
this year i am In same exact boot, just a size down, per the bootfitters reccomendation. custom foot beds and vaccumed them. have shin foam things to take up calf volume. the boots give me the worst toebang ever still, I am super mad, cuz It felt like I couldn't ski last year, and this year due to my boots being so painful and loose.
I am forced to ski backseat with my toes against the front of the boot, so when I lean back I dont get my toes absolutely obliterated.
I am size 10 shoe have 25.5 boots now. my feet are up againt the front when standing, but when pressed against the front of the boots, my toes no longer touch the front of the boots. I just feel my feet slip around in my boot, when doing nosebutters, my heels lift up, when doing tailbutters I get toe bang like a mf
I am going on 2 years of ski boots so bad I don't want to ski, . In the ski shop and at home the boots seem overly snug and tight, but on the hill I feel like my feet are floating around in outer space I have so much room
The shop I go to only sells Fischer boots, SO idk if my feet just don't fit Fischer boots, but I cant just spend thousands on boots every year.
any advice on what I should do? I trim my toenails short, Infact just had surgery to remove an ingrown from scootering. never used to have an issue with toe bag, used to be shin bang. Had an old pair of 25.5 fischer boots, but with a normal liner. I might try to ride them agian, and see what happens.
SUMMARy. past 2 years boots didnt fit. feet slip around like crazy, toe bang so bad I wanna quit skiing. have tried vacc, custom foot beds , booster strap,
fdWEARerquestion, as my boots not fitting is making me not want to ski anymore
I have gone to my local shop to get boots fit the last 2 years.
Last year I was put in a 26.5 fischer boot with low profile liner. used shin foam things to take up volume, as bootfitter say I have chicken calfs, vaccumed them, custom footbeds, booster straps. my feet felt like they were moving forward and back 10 miles whenever I leaned either way, toebang and heel lift like a mf. no shinbang really.
this year i am In same exact boot, just a size down, per the bootfitters reccomendation. custom foot beds and vaccumed them. have shin foam things to take up calf volume. the boots give me the worst toebang ever still, I am super mad, cuz It felt like I couldn't ski last year, and this year due to my boots being so painful and loose.
I am forced to ski backseat with my toes against the front of the boot, so when I lean back I dont get my toes absolutely obliterated.
I am size 10 shoe have 25.5 boots now. my feet are up againt the front when standing, but when pressed against the front of the boots, my toes no longer touch the front of the boots. I just feel my feet slip around in my boot, when doing nosebutters, my heels lift up, when doing tailbutters I get toe bang like a mf
I am going on 2 years of ski boots so bad I don't want to ski, . In the ski shop and at home the boots seem overly snug and tight, but on the hill I feel like my feet are floating around in outer space I have so much room
The shop I go to only sells Fischer boots, SO idk if my feet just don't fit Fischer boots, but I cant just spend thousands on boots every year.
any advice on what I should do? I trim my toenails short, Infact just had surgery to remove an ingrown from scootering. never used to have an issue with toe bag, used to be shin bang. Had an old pair of 25.5 fischer boots, but with a normal liner. I might try to ride them agian, and see what happens.
SUMMARy. past 2 years boots didnt fit. feet slip around like crazy, toe bang so bad I wanna quit skiing. have tried vacc, custom foot beds , booster strap,
would half to say try and take up as much volume as possible for now, get shims (can find them on amazon) to go under your footbed. Something i been experimenting with around my ankle to get maximum lock is folding up toilet paper a lot and putting it in my liner to see how some volume taken away feels. You should try that around your ankle for the heel lift, and above and around your foot wherever you feel empty space. once you figure out what works you can get another shin pad and cut pieces to size to stick them onto your liner. Also buckle your boots tighter if you havnt been cranking tf outa them.
**This post was edited on Dec 21st 2024 at 10:44:35pm
Voyage86would half to say try and take up as much volume as possible for now, get shims (can find them on amazon) to go under your footbed. Something i been experimenting with around my ankle to get maximum lock is folding up toilet paper a lot and putting it in my liner to see how some volume taken away feels. You should try that around your ankle for the heel lift, and above and around your foot wherever you feel empty space. once you figure out what works you can get another shin pad and cut pieces to size to stick them onto your liner. Also buckle your boots tighter if you havnt been cranking tf outa them.
**This post was edited on Dec 21st 2024 at 10:44:35pm
Literally everything you’re describing is an ill fitting boot. You shouldn’t be having to shim the fuck out of your boot or stuff it with toilet paper. That means you’re in the wrong boot. Secondly you absolutely shouldn’t be cranking the fuck out of your buckles. Again that screams you’re in the wrong boot. Buckles should be as loose as possible just to keep the shell sealed. That’s why people who have properly fitting boots can actually skin them even if the buckles are not done up and not have issues other than losing some performance. If you’re having to crank the fuck out of your buckles you’re in the wrong boot. I know you hate hearing it but you are in fact in the wrong boot.
Voyage86so i do understand how somone like you might take me saying i don’t ski back seat, and me saying i get shin bang when i land back seat as a contradiction, however skiing back seat would be me in the back seat while im actively turning and carving and all that shit you would consider skiing, while landing back seat is an accident that occurs when i’m learning new ticks like 540s and grabs and such on my 360s that cause me to go off balance in the air land incorrectly. I don’t ski back seat. I do occasionally land back seat. sorry for the confusion.
You should for sure try a softer boot so you don't get punished as much. The people recommending Full Tilt / K2 Revolve are not wrong - but get professional advice to make sure you have the correct shape & size.
A huge part of the problem is mental. When you have shin bang, your mind will instinctively push you in the backseat when you panic, which results in even more shin bang. It's a never-ending cycle.
PartyBullshiitLiterally everything you’re describing is an ill fitting boot. You shouldn’t be having to shim the fuck out of your boot or stuff it with toilet paper. That means you’re in the wrong boot. Secondly you absolutely shouldn’t be cranking the fuck out of your buckles. Again that screams you’re in the wrong boot. Buckles should be as loose as possible just to keep the shell sealed. That’s why people who have properly fitting boots can actually skin them even if the buckles are not done up and not have issues other than losing some performance. If you’re having to crank the fuck out of your buckles you’re in the wrong boot. I know you hate hearing it but you are in fact in the wrong boot.
I did not need to shim my boot and i minimally put it some TP to get the perfect fit initially, think of it like a poor man’s zip fit, they use cork to fill any dead space and i just used some thin foam. I was just thinking of ways he could possible y make his boots work without buying new ones, all those things are worth a try for him
michael_bcYou should for sure try a softer boot so you don't get punished as much. The people recommending Full Tilt / K2 Revolve are not wrong - but get professional advice to make sure you have the correct shape & size.
A huge part of the problem is mental. When you have shin bang, your mind will instinctively push you in the backseat when you panic, which results in even more shin bang. It's a never-ending cycle.
only thing is i’m not getting shin bang from forward pressure, i’m getting calf bang from backward pressure
Voyage86only thing is i’m not getting shin bang from forward pressure, i’m getting calf bang from backward pressure
Incase you missed it the first 4 times it has been said. If your boots are softer, it prevents you from getting thrown into the backseat as much on landing/variable terrain. This combined with having poor skiing technique (I believe you said you were new to park/freeride) it is harder to stay in the front of your boots.
a 120 if probably perfect for you for skiing groomers and planer slopes, but not ideal for learning park/bumps/freeride. This is why you see pretty much every mogul skier in full tilts to this day, it’s easier to compress forwards into the boots without being launched backwards because of the way the 3 piece design works.
This is all from personal experience. As good as any boot fitter may be, it is also up to you to be able to figure out through trial and error what works for you.
I swear this thread is just rage bait at this point but I’m determined to still offer advice.
I have been skiing park for 15 years and Freeride for 12. I also coach kids/teens in both and this is a common problem. They walk into the local shop to get a new set up for their first year on the development team. The shop puts them on a set of Fischer rangers and Fischer 120 boots and then they get shin bang, hate skiing and feel out of control all the time. I talk to the parents and suggest that next year they get on a pair of Line Bacons and a set of full tilts ( for example but any softer/less aggressive combo will work) and 90% of the time I see an immediate difference. The kids can charge a little harder, they are more in the front of the boots, they can actually flex the ski through the turn. Eventually, they will out-ski this set up and they will then go for something slightly more aggressive but the will have a solid base of the fundamentals of what it should feel like to be able to use the boot/ski to their advantage instead of their set up being in the drivers seat and they are along for the ride.
I won’t blame the shops for giving them the Fischer set up because they are usually old heads with a race background and it would work for kids that have being skiing in extremely stiff boots and skis in a race program for a while. But they usually know how to ski well and are strong. But for a kid that has been in ski lessons and on a rental set up, making the move to a stiff Freeride set up is too much for them to handle physically and almost always leads to shin bang.
JAHBRADORIncase you missed it the first 4 times it has been said. If your boots are softer, it prevents you from getting thrown into the backseat as much on landing/variable terrain. This combined with having poor skiing technique (I believe you said you were new to park/freeride) it is harder to stay in the front of your boots.
a 120 if probably perfect for you for skiing groomers and planer slopes, but not ideal for learning park/bumps/freeride. This is why you see pretty much every mogul skier in full tilts to this day, it’s easier to compress forwards into the boots without being launched backwards because of the way the 3 piece design works.
This is all from personal experience. As good as any boot fitter may be, it is also up to you to be able to figure out through trial and error what works for you.
I swear this thread is just rage bait at this point but I’m determined to still offer advice.
I have been skiing park for 15 years and Freeride for 12. I also coach kids/teens in both and this is a common problem. They walk into the local shop to get a new set up for their first year on the development team. The shop puts them on a set of Fischer rangers and Fischer 120 boots and then they get shin bang, hate skiing and feel out of control all the time. I talk to the parents and suggest that next year they get on a pair of Line Bacons and a set of full tilts ( for example but any softer/less aggressive combo will work) and 90% of the time I see an immediate difference. The kids can charge a little harder, they are more in the front of the boots, they can actually flex the ski through the turn. Eventually, they will out-ski this set up and they will then go for something slightly more aggressive but the will have a solid base of the fundamentals of what it should feel like to be able to use the boot/ski to their advantage instead of their set up being in the drivers seat and they are along for the ride.
I won’t blame the shops for giving them the Fischer set up because they are usually old heads with a race background and it would work for kids that have being skiing in extremely stiff boots and skis in a race program for a while. But they usually know how to ski well and are strong. But for a kid that has been in ski lessons and on a rental set up, making the move to a stiff Freeride set up is too much for them to handle physically and almost always leads to shin bang.
Voyage86would half to say try and take up as much volume as possible for now, get shims (can find them on amazon) to go under your footbed. Something i been experimenting with around my ankle to get maximum lock is folding up toilet paper a lot and putting it in my liner to see how some volume taken away feels. You should try that around your ankle for the heel lift, and above and around your foot wherever you feel empty space. once you figure out what works you can get another shin pad and cut pieces to size to stick them onto your liner. Also buckle your boots tighter if you havnt been cranking tf outa them.
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You were Asking for advice last week and saying all the advice was shit now you’re a pro bootfitter giving not good advice?
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i read the thread, i like it. I’m curious what you would say about pain on the fibula roughly 4 inches above the ankle that is caused by leg flexion over the back of the boot exclusivley. I just got an MRI actuly and it confirms I have a bone bruise in that location, it also showed tendinitis in my achilles. I’m wondering how my bone bruises in that manner and how to stop it, and i’m wondering if the achilles issues contribute to the pain i feel whenever i’m back seat in anyway.
hey guys. I am in a tough spot. I have fishcer ranger 120s. size 25.5 my feet mesurerd at a 26.5, and I have sized down for a performance fit. the problem is my feet still slide around like crazy forward and backwards inside the boot. i have bad toe bang, heel lift, and some shin bang. these boots were custom fit by a boot fitter. I have foam shin inserts, custom footbeds that i just got posted aswell.. the boots have been vaccum fitted. I have gotten boots at this shop for 4 years, but the last 2 years my boots have been so bad, I don't wanna go skiing much anymore. my feet slide around so much I feel unsafe skiing in the boots.
I have tried so much to get the boots to work. Am over a month into ski season, and all I have experienced is pain. Its not what feels good to ski in, its what hurts the least. I have tried putting in different liners sized down (25), I have tried food bed spacers. I was in the same boot last year , but size 26.5. this shop has been trying to make fischer boots fit my feet for almost 1.5 years, and i feel i missed out on 1.5 years of skiing now. they only sell fischer boots, so I am wondering if I should try out other boots. only problem is I am now almost 1500 down the drain for boots that couldn't fit worse.
I have tried the suggestions previously recommended to me in this thread, and am still in the same boat.
What should I do?
fdWEARerhey guys. I am in a tough spot. I have fishcer ranger 120s. size 25.5 my feet mesurerd at a 26.5, and I have sized down for a performance fit. the problem is my feet still slide around like crazy forward and backwards inside the boot. i have bad toe bang, heel lift, and some shin bang. these boots were custom fit by a boot fitter. I have foam shin inserts, custom footbeds that i just got posted aswell.. the boots have been vaccum fitted. I have gotten boots at this shop for 4 years, but the last 2 years my boots have been so bad, I don't wanna go skiing much anymore. my feet slide around so much I feel unsafe skiing in the boots.
I have tried so much to get the boots to work. Am over a month into ski season, and all I have experienced is pain. Its not what feels good to ski in, its what hurts the least. I have tried putting in different liners sized down (25), I have tried food bed spacers. I was in the same boot last year , but size 26.5. this shop has been trying to make fischer boots fit my feet for almost 1.5 years, and i feel i missed out on 1.5 years of skiing now. they only sell fischer boots, so I am wondering if I should try out other boots. only problem is I am now almost 1500 down the drain for boots that couldn't fit worse.
I have tried the suggestions previously recommended to me in this thread, and am still in the same boat.
What should I do?
Go to a different shop and get fitted in proper boots. You’re in the wrong boots.
OK major update, I got an MRI a month ago that showed I suffered a small fracture in my left fibula a month prior to the MRI. The orthopedic surgeon said that the injury happened from hyper flexion over the back of the boot, or extreme bending of the bone, which is exactly what i expected it was. I talked to my boot fitter and he agreed that there was nothing i could do internally in the boot that would stop hyper flexion. With that confirmed I explained an idea of a raised rear cuff that moved the “bending” point up higher onto the top half of my calf where the bone is stronger. He liked the idea and pointed me to a video of Eric Pollard doing the same thing (linked at the end). Erik does this for different reasons than me but the concept is the same and this is proof that something like this can be skied at a higher level than i will ever ski at. My first prototype that i had already made was PVC and wasn’t rigid enough to work. This video pointed me twords Kydex which is what Erik used. I ordered me some Kydex and built my brace while I let my fibula finish heeling. I came up with this.
I canabalized the rear cuff of my old boot liner. I was also able to use holes already in the boot so i didn’t need to drill into the shell. I have skied this 4 times now and can say that for the first time in my life i can tail butter totally pain free and back seat landings don’t hurt at all. 3 of the four days have been back to back to back and i’m now here after the third day with zero shin bang of any kind which is a new record for me. My only potential concern is more stress on my ACLs but so far i’ve had no issues. I know you guys are going to hate this so let’s hear how bad of an idea you think this is and how it’s just a crutch for my back seat skiing, i’m ready. If anyone has similar shin issues and has any questions about making their own DM me, if i get enough interest i might make a new thread going through it. it’s not difficult however. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CKwdfv8nBU4/?igsh=ZDBqZ2FjYWpweXlv
link doesn’t seem to be working, if you look up “erik pollard boot mod” on google the instagram reel is the first hit to come up **This post was edited on Jan 19th 2025 at 4:27:15pm
**This post was edited on Jan 19th 2025 at 4:29:47pm
Voyage86OK major update, I got an MRI a month ago that showed I suffered a small fracture in my left fibula a month prior to the MRI. The orthopedic surgeon said that the injury happened from hyper flexion over the back of the boot, or extreme bending of the bone, which is exactly what i expected it was. I talked to my boot fitter and he agreed that there was nothing i could do internally in the boot that would stop hyper flexion. With that confirmed I explained an idea of a raised rear cuff that moved the “bending” point up higher onto the top half of my calf where the bone is stronger. He liked the idea and pointed me to a video of Eric Pollard doing the same thing (linked at the end). Erik does this for different reasons than me but the concept is the same and this is proof that something like this can be skied at a higher level than i will ever ski at. My first prototype that i had already made was PVC and wasn’t rigid enough to work. This video pointed me twords Kydex which is what Erik used. I ordered me some Kydex and built my brace while I let my fibula finish heeling. I came up with this.
I canabalized the rear cuff of my old boot liner. I was also able to use holes already in the boot so i didn’t need to drill into the shell. I have skied this 4 times now and can say that for the first time in my life i can tail butter totally pain free and back seat landings don’t hurt at all. 3 of the four days have been back to back to back and i’m now here after the third day with zero shin bang of any kind which is a new record for me. My only potential concern is more stress on my ACLs but so far i’ve had no issues. I know you guys are going to hate this so let’s hear how bad of an idea you think this is and how it’s just a crutch for my back seat skiing, i’m ready. If anyone has similar shin issues and has any questions about making their own DM me, if i get enough interest i might make a new thread going through it. it’s not difficult however. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CKwdfv8nBU4/?igsh=ZDBqZ2FjYWpweXlv
link doesn’t seem to be working, if you look up “erik pollard boot mod” on google the instagram reel is the first hit to come up **This post was edited on Jan 19th 2025 at 4:27:15pm
**This post was edited on Jan 19th 2025 at 4:29:47pm
Yours is like double the height of his. That’s not even close to similar. You built like a massive leg brace onto a ski boot. If that thing doesn’t tell you that you have bigger issues idk what will. Thats the worst “bandaid” approach I’ve ever seen.
Voyage86OK major update, I got an MRI a month ago that showed I suffered a small fracture in my left fibula a month prior to the MRI. The orthopedic surgeon said that the injury happened from hyper flexion over the back of the boot, or extreme bending of the bone, which is exactly what i expected it was. I talked to my boot fitter and he agreed that there was nothing i could do internally in the boot that would stop hyper flexion. With that confirmed I explained an idea of a raised rear cuff that moved the “bending” point up higher onto the top half of my calf where the bone is stronger. He liked the idea and pointed me to a video of Eric Pollard doing the same thing (linked at the end). Erik does this for different reasons than me but the concept is the same and this is proof that something like this can be skied at a higher level than i will ever ski at. My first prototype that i had already made was PVC and wasn’t rigid enough to work. This video pointed me twords Kydex which is what Erik used. I ordered me some Kydex and built my brace while I let my fibula finish heeling. I came up with this.
I canabalized the rear cuff of my old boot liner. I was also able to use holes already in the boot so i didn’t need to drill into the shell. I have skied this 4 times now and can say that for the first time in my life i can tail butter totally pain free and back seat landings don’t hurt at all. 3 of the four days have been back to back to back and i’m now here after the third day with zero shin bang of any kind which is a new record for me. My only potential concern is more stress on my ACLs but so far i’ve had no issues. I know you guys are going to hate this so let’s hear how bad of an idea you think this is and how it’s just a crutch for my back seat skiing, i’m ready. If anyone has similar shin issues and has any questions about making their own DM me, if i get enough interest i might make a new thread going through it. it’s not difficult however. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CKwdfv8nBU4/?igsh=ZDBqZ2FjYWpweXlv
link doesn’t seem to be working, if you look up “erik pollard boot mod” on google the instagram reel is the first hit to come up **This post was edited on Jan 19th 2025 at 4:27:15pm
**This post was edited on Jan 19th 2025 at 4:29:47pm
Voyage86OK major update, I got an MRI a month ago that showed I suffered a small fracture in my left fibula a month prior to the MRI. The orthopedic surgeon said that the injury happened from hyper flexion over the back of the boot, or extreme bending of the bone, which is exactly what i expected it was. I talked to my boot fitter and he agreed that there was nothing i could do internally in the boot that would stop hyper flexion. With that confirmed I explained an idea of a raised rear cuff that moved the “bending” point up higher onto the top half of my calf where the bone is stronger. He liked the idea and pointed me to a video of Eric Pollard doing the same thing (linked at the end). Erik does this for different reasons than me but the concept is the same and this is proof that something like this can be skied at a higher level than i will ever ski at. My first prototype that i had already made was PVC and wasn’t rigid enough to work. This video pointed me twords Kydex which is what Erik used. I ordered me some Kydex and built my brace while I let my fibula finish heeling. I came up with this.
I canabalized the rear cuff of my old boot liner. I was also able to use holes already in the boot so i didn’t need to drill into the shell. I have skied this 4 times now and can say that for the first time in my life i can tail butter totally pain free and back seat landings don’t hurt at all. 3 of the four days have been back to back to back and i’m now here after the third day with zero shin bang of any kind which is a new record for me. My only potential concern is more stress on my ACLs but so far i’ve had no issues. I know you guys are going to hate this so let’s hear how bad of an idea you think this is and how it’s just a crutch for my back seat skiing, i’m ready. If anyone has similar shin issues and has any questions about making their own DM me, if i get enough interest i might make a new thread going through it. it’s not difficult however. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CKwdfv8nBU4/?igsh=ZDBqZ2FjYWpweXlv
link doesn’t seem to be working, if you look up “erik pollard boot mod” on google the instagram reel is the first hit to come up **This post was edited on Jan 19th 2025 at 4:27:15pm
**This post was edited on Jan 19th 2025 at 4:29:47pm
All you are doing is giving yourself a crutch for your skiing and allowing bad habits to become worse.
i still genuinely believe the best way to fix your problem is to heal up give yourself time to rest, then hit the gym in the summer, and spend the start of next year with a coach working on your fundamentals again and build your way up slowly. Don’t let ego get in the way of it good technique is cool and feels good and makes you able to ski more stuff better end of the day.
PartyBullshiitYours is like double the height of his. That’s not even close to similar. You built like a massive leg brace onto a ski boot. If that thing doesn’t tell you that you have bigger issues idk what will. Thats the worst “bandaid” approach I’ve ever seen.
pretty true, my bigger issue is how my bones react to hyper flexion, this is the best bandaid for that
snormanAll you are doing is giving yourself a crutch for your skiing and allowing bad habits to become worse.
i still genuinely believe the best way to fix your problem is to heal up give yourself time to rest, then hit the gym in the summer, and spend the start of next year with a coach working on your fundamentals again and build your way up slowly. Don’t let ego get in the way of it good technique is cool and feels good and makes you able to ski more stuff better end of the day.
good luck
is there any skier out there who sends and doesn’t land back seat from time to time?
Voyage86is there any skier out there who sends and doesn’t land back seat from time to time?
Of course. But when you get injured, you need to take time to heal. Otherwise it’s just going to get worse/take longer to heal.
Voyage86i’m just a guy that wants to ski pain free and if that means a 6 inch brace put the back of my boot than so be it
You’re just a guy that is being impatient and really just needs to rest and get better. What you have done here is honestly one of the worst things I have ever seen and I’ve seen every TGR movie.
Voyage86is there any skier out there who sends and doesn’t land back seat from time to time?
Yes loads but the ones who do it pain free are strong and ski with good technique. Don’t see anyone on fwt, xgames, any of your favourite movies with that silly leg brace and they can ski like crazy for a week straight and have no problems (unless they eat shit or something but that’s part of the game).
this is going to make your skiing worse in the long run and lead to more problems, go see my previous post of how to not get hurt it is working for me so far and I’m able to ski longer and harder because of it.
im just trying to help you out with this don’t like seeing people getting hurt.
JAHBRADOROf course. But when you get injured, you need to take time to heal. Otherwise it’s just going to get worse/take longer to heal.
You’re just a guy that is being impatient and really just needs to rest and get better. What you have done here is honestly one of the worst things I have ever seen and I’ve seen every TGR movie.
broski i am heeled, my crash was over two months ago and i didn’t ski for 1.5 months after. i waited a week past when the doc said i would be good to go. I am totally heeled. this brace is preventative so i don’t get hurt again.
snormanYes loads but the ones who do it pain free are strong and ski with good technique. Don’t see anyone on fwt, xgames, any of your favourite movies with that silly leg brace and they can ski like crazy for a week straight and have no problems (unless they eat shit or something but that’s part of the game).
this is going to make your skiing worse in the long run and lead to more problems, go see my previous post of how to not get hurt it is working for me so far and I’m able to ski longer and harder because of it.
im just trying to help you out with this don’t like seeing people getting hurt.
i have shin problems, i get shin splints and bruises very easily. This brace prevents hyper flection which is when the bone bends to a point that causes a micro fracture. no amount of muscle will prevent my bone from bending from the force of a back seat landing. Getting stronger sadly won’t help me here. Beyond that you are talking to a guy who squatted 315 at 160 body weight a year ago. I don’t squat that heavy anymore, i’m more a split squat and front squat guy now to prevent injury. I truly don’t think strength is a factor here in anyway
Voyage86i have shin problems, i get shin splints and bruises very easily. This brace prevents hyper flection which is when the bone bends to a point that causes a micro fracture. no amount of muscle will prevent my bone from bending from the force of a back seat landing. Getting stronger sadly won’t help me here. Beyond that you are talking to a guy who squatted 315 at 160 body weight a year ago. I don’t squat that heavy anymore, i’m more a split squat and front squat guy now to prevent injury. I truly don’t think strength is a factor here in anyway
So I think your main issue here is that you think you have a unique problem that requires a unique solution, but that isn't the case.
You are not suffering from hyperflexion, that is the incorrect term for what you are trying to describe. You want to say stress fracture. This fracture probably occurred because your off season training wasn't sufficient to support your skiing. Most likely you went from being pretty seditary or from low impact training into a high impact sport, and continuing with the high impact sport after feeling some minor pain without rest led to your fracture.
As others have said, it IS a strength thing. Lifting heavy isn't the only way to train- and it shouldn't be for skiing.
Why even make a thread asking for advice if you're just going to ignore it and come up with your own crackpot conclusions?