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Pleased to report that they ski exactly the same as my pivot 15 raws. Toes are identical. One thing I noticed is that the heels step-in easier vs the 1.0s --- I think the arms aren't digging into my ski boots anymore thanks to the slight bend in the arm, so the effort to "click in" feels much lower. The dildo points up at a slightly higher angle when in the boot, so they might have re-worked the geometry a bit as well.
Outside of that, there's no real reason to upgrade unless you want to spend ~$20 extra for an extra 10mm of BSL adjustment, which *might* save you a remount if you get new boots. I suspect most skiers won't care, but shop techs are prob rejoicing.
im going through the warranty process now and then i was gonna make a thread myself. i totally fucked up when submitting my warranty request and put .con instead of .com on the form so i thought they were ignoring me but they tried reaching out the next day.
anyway, the issue i have is cracking of the heel piece when stepping out. i was hiking the early season park so ditched the poles and was frequently stepping out. im still in conversation with look so idk what the underlying issue/root cause is or the fix but i will say be mindful of stepping out. use poles in the heel divet whenever possible and step on the very end a bit gingerly. it seems to be cosmetic only at this point and they still ski well
partyandBSim going through the warranty process now and then i was gonna make a thread myself. i totally fucked up when submitting my warranty request and put .con instead of .com on the form so i thought they were ignoring me but they tried reaching out the next day.
anyway, the issue i have is cracking of the heel piece when stepping out. i was hiking the early season park so ditched the poles and was frequently stepping out. im still in conversation with look so idk what the underlying issue/root cause is or the fix but i will say be mindful of stepping out. use poles in the heel divet whenever possible and step on the very end a bit gingerly. it seems to be cosmetic only at this point and they still ski well
You don't think the "underlying root cause" is you stomping on the heelpiece?
SessionYou don't think the "underlying root cause" is you stomping on the heelpiece?
ive been stepping out of bindings the same way for 27 years including on 5 different pairs of original pivots with zero issue. actually i started stepping out more midfully when i started putting dimples on the based of my skis from stepping out way too hard on my pivot 18s lol. but the binding was fine it was the base on my ski that took the damage lol.
again, i am not fully through the warranty process so im not sure what they’ll say. i’m hoping its some sort of condom like cover to go over the dildos. thatd be funny
overall look has been pretty solid about reaching out and following up on the issue. even when i typed my email wrong like some sort of big thumbed idiot.
partyandBSim going through the warranty process now and then i was gonna make a thread myself. i totally fucked up when submitting my warranty request and put .con instead of .com on the form so i thought they were ignoring me but they tried reaching out the next day.
anyway, the issue i have is cracking of the heel piece when stepping out. i was hiking the early season park so ditched the poles and was frequently stepping out. im still in conversation with look so idk what the underlying issue/root cause is or the fix but i will say be mindful of stepping out. use poles in the heel divet whenever possible and step on the very end a bit gingerly. it seems to be cosmetic only at this point and they still ski well
You and your homie are still the only two people I’ve heard had this issue. I posted your pics on tgr and ski talk and no 2.0 users are having the cracks. None of the other users who posted are stomping on their heels though. I do think you were stepping on them two high and completely missing the rubber bumpers. That’s something look needs to change. Have the bumpers run the full length.
Honestly I've been super impressed! Conditions in Tahoe have been low-tide, but even so I've had a blast. They can rail on groomers and the cores are amazing for landing airs - tails are supportive and the ski feels like it has premium suspension installed. I was most impressed by how stable they are through chop - was able to open it up and arc turns through some chewed-up, manky snow. The only actual fresh turns I got were off Mainline Pocket, which felt great for all of 5 seconds (heard that before).
I think the one-word summation of the mindsticks is "intuitive". They really don't fight me at all, and can make a variety of turn shapes. I was expecting to take a day or two to get the feel for them, but it was a pretty instant connection. They pivot nicely for tight terrain as well. Can't expect a 114 ski to feel like a race ski on groomers, but they did way better than they have any business doing. Also ran into Keith on the lift at Alpine which is always a treat. Shop local kids!
Just got mine and now i’m terrefied. Still not mounted up. I do notice the heel seems to lock in better at the position you click in. On both my golden 15s (yes i am that much of a baller) i have had the heel be just a bit crooked when i click in. Stoked to try them out and pray that i will not crack them
cali_invaderOkay update: these things might be trash LOL. Definitely wasn't stomping on these and they already have a crack.
OK, then that’s a big design flaw. Something is wrong. If you did not stop on them and they’re cracking. I have a feeling they made the plastic housing thinner on this new 2.0 style for some reason
Okay another update for y'all - here's the 1.0 vs 2.0, same DIN and same boot. You can see they made a big improvement on the arm shape since it no longer digs into the side of the boot, and the fulcrum is better engineered to make it easier to step-in. The plastic on the back heel piece definitely feels thinner on the 2.0 version though, despite the rubber pads.
Hopefully this isn't too in the weeds - got questions about them on the lift this week so figured the people want to know.
Gap between arm and boot on the 2.0:
Gap (or lack thereof) on the 1.0 version:
Honestly if it wasn't for the durability concerns, I think the 2.0 is clearly a better design on the heel. Much easier to step-in.
Yikes hopefully the warranty goes through. The attack 14 and strive are full plastic and even then never seen any sort of crack or structural damage on those.
cali_invaderOkay update: these things might be trash LOL. Definitely wasn't stomping on these and they already have a crack.
cali_invaderOkay another update for y'all - here's the 1.0 vs 2.0, same DIN and same boot. You can see they made a big improvement on the arm shape since it no longer digs into the side of the boot, and the fulcrum is better engineered to make it easier to step-in. The plastic on the back heel piece definitely feels thinner on the 2.0 version though, despite the rubber pads.
Hopefully this isn't too in the weeds - got questions about them on the lift this week so figured the people want to know.
Gap between arm and boot on the 2.0:
Gap (or lack thereof) on the 1.0 version:
Honestly if it wasn't for the durability concerns, I think the 2.0 is clearly a better design on the heel. Much easier to step-in.
Hope you reach out to look. They need from
as many people as possibly about these housing cracks. Could be as simple as a bad batch of plastic or as major as a legit design flaw.
PartyBullshiitHope you reach out to look. They need from
as many people as possibly about these housing cracks. Could be as simple as a bad batch of plastic or as major as a legit design flaw.
To be completely transparent, I didn't inspect them fully when they were mounted. It's possible they were cracked out of the box from something outside of standard ski forces. I'll probably just put some epoxy on the crack to keep water out - it's mostly superficial afaik.
cali_invaderTo be completely transparent, I didn't inspect them fully when they were mounted. It's possible they were cracked out of the box from something outside of standard ski forces. I'll probably just put some epoxy on the crack to keep water out - it's mostly superficial afaik.
same crack and i for sure didn’t have it when it was mounted. you should def file a claim so at the least they can use the data to improve future products. i agree that its just cosmetic at this point.
same crack and i for sure didn’t have it when it was mounted. you should def file a claim so at the least they can use the data to improve future products. i agree that its just cosmetic at this point.
Damn that's literally the exact same crack that I have on mine. Will file a claim with Look.
Will the new brake work with the 1.0 heel? New heel shape does not seem to be compatible with butthole.
cali_invaderOkay another update for y'all - here's the 1.0 vs 2.0, same DIN and same boot. You can see they made a big improvement on the arm shape since it no longer digs into the side of the boot, and the fulcrum is better engineered to make it easier to step-in. The plastic on the back heel piece definitely feels thinner on the 2.0 version though, despite the rubber pads.
Hopefully this isn't too in the weeds - got questions about them on the lift this week so figured the people want to know.
Gap between arm and boot on the 2.0:
Gap (or lack thereof) on the 1.0 version:
Honestly if it wasn't for the durability concerns, I think the 2.0 is clearly a better design on the heel. Much easier to step-in.
BallClapperWill the new brake work with the 1.0 heel? New heel shape does not seem to be compatible with butthole.
Brake is the same. Plate is slightly different and the arms are different. Everything else is the same as well. Haven’t seen anyone cross mount them yet.
Get the best of both. Heel clearance and durability.
PartyBullshiitBrake is the same. Plate is slightly different and the arms are different. Everything else is the same as well. Haven’t seen anyone cross mount them yet.
PartyBullshiitThat’s interesting. So there are different part numbers for the 15/18 bases now?
not too sure i have to look into it. Tried swapping a 15 heel onto the brakes from an 18 and couldn't get it to thread on. Took me a few minutes to realize the diameter on arms of the 18s are thicker. I'll snag some photos tomorrow
tdolloWorth noting that the 2.0 18s have thicker arms to the 2.0 15s, so you can not swap brakes between the new 18s and 15s.
Thats actually a massive annoyance. The other great thing about pivots was interchangeable parts and the bin of pieces I could use to put together binding on a whim.
Yeah the cracking issue is not isolated to NS or any chronic stomping issues. I don’t want to get too into it because I love Look and this was just a mistake that made it past testing somehow, and I’m sure they’ll fix. But this is happening with a lot of the ones we’ve sold already and it’s only December. So I’m not super optimistic
profa_212Thats actually a massive annoyance. The other great thing about pivots was interchangeable parts and the bin of pieces I could use to put together binding on a whim.
Last thing any hardgoods company wants is fixing instead of buying new, classic move
i looked at a pair in the shop and the 'rubber' bit on the heel piece seems just like hard scratchy plastic, not soft and gummy like i expected. is this also the case for all of you with new pairs? hard to imagine they'd have different batches of materials showing up on different pairs distributed around
bennwithtwonsi looked at a pair in the shop and the 'rubber' bit on the heel piece seems just like hard scratchy plastic, not soft and gummy like i expected. is this also the case for all of you with new pairs? hard to imagine they'd have different batches of materials showing up on different pairs distributed around
Yeah same here. It looks like it should be rubber/rubberized, but I think it's just plastic.
tdollonot too sure i have to look into it. Tried swapping a 15 heel onto the brakes from an 18 and couldn't get it to thread on. Took me a few minutes to realize the diameter on arms of the 18s are thicker. I'll snag some photos tomorrow
2.0 bases fs but no description about them being dedicated to a 15 vs 18. Just won’t work with 1.0. You might of just had the threads misaligned?
PartyBullshiit2.0 bases fs but no description about them being dedicated to a 15 vs 18. Just won’t work with 1.0. You might of just had the threads misaligned?
tdollonaw took a pair of new 15s and 18s apart to confirm they are in fact different diameters
PartyBullshiitConfirmed directly from look that the 15/18 2.0 use the same base. There is no difference in diameter. Not sure what you’re doing wrong.
Person who physically took apart the bindings and compared the diameters to each other directly VS. some guy who emailed some salesperson that told him that they should work with no evidence or further explanation
Rock_InhabitantPerson who physically took apart the bindings and compared the diameters to each other directly VS. some guy who emailed some salesperson that told him that they should work with no evidence or further explanation
Lmao. Yes I trust the company who sells the replacement parts and confirmed there is only 1 replacement base for the 2.0 period. Also didn’t see where he “measured” the parts. Considering every shop selling the base is also only selling 1 base period for all 2.0’s only proves that point even more.
PartyBullshiitLmao. Yes I trust the company who sells the replacement parts and confirmed there is only 1 replacement base for the 2.0 period. Also didn’t see where he “measured” the parts. Considering every shop selling the base is also only selling 1 base period for all 2.0’s only proves that point even more.
I'll grab some pics when I'm at work tomorrow and we'll settle it! I would love to be wrong on this one
tdolloI'll grab some pics when I'm at work tomorrow and we'll settle it! I would love to be wrong on this one
Assume you have a look rep for your shop no? Why not reach out and ask them why you have a pair that isn’t working when they’re stating it’s all the same base. Maybe you have a janky pair or something. Other shops are listing the bases all the same as well.
really would make absolutely no sense for them to sell separate 2.0 bases for a 15 vs 18 just from a manufacturing standpoint.
word around the campfire is (from the warrenty email) that an updated heel will be hitting the us as soon as new years. might just hold my breath on this one.
Bought some 2.0s a few days ago despite knowing that they are a little weird. I checked everywhere around the binding, especially the heels, and found no cracks or anything. Completely mint. I’ll be mounting them into a pair of moment countach 104s and skiing them this Christmas, so I’ll update you guys if anything strange occurs
it sounds like they have a fix made but not implemented. if you want them to last longer, you may need to be extra cautious when stepping out or use your pole in the divet. 2 extra seconds will undoubtedly preserve these bindings lol
partyandBSit sounds like they have a fix made but not implemented. if you want them to last longer, you may need to be extra cautious when stepping out or use your pole in the divet. 2 extra seconds will undoubtedly preserve these bindings lol
i think the real problem is its too cold on the plastic. a good practice while skiing is to stop midrun and heat up the heel pieces by rigorously applying friction to it. then at the end of your do this again but a bit longer. should make for a climatic release
