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Not so sure about this. The inability to buckle the top two buckles differently is rather concerning. I feel like boot brands are jumping into the boa thing a little too head-first. I’ve tried on normal boa boots and I will admit they do a substantially better job of actually wrapping the shell around your foot than traditional buckles but this seems absurd
BigPurpleSkiSuitOne thing I'm not impressed by so far with BOA is how hard it is to undo the BOA.
For example: I unclip when I ride the chairlift, it's a quick boom boom to unclip reclip with buckles for each boot
With BOA it's harder than it looks to pop it and redial it in because you have to screw it in for a second.
+1, not impressed with boa so far. Can't undo BOA with mittens on. Many rotations needed to tighten it up, it really takes at least 10-15 seconds. Buckles are easier and faster for sure
where lower boa mainly adds comfort the boa cuff ups the performance so much over buckles. We were just away testing new boots and had some buckle bench marks and they just can’t come close to what boa cuff offers.
If you want a boot which performs you should give it a try it’s pretty special!
I find it really weird how invested people are in cranking down a buckle that puts a large amount of pressure in a single spot. But when offered a solution to have a more uniform snug wrap with less pressure points they get indignant.
AndreyaZvonarBoots aren’t what make you ski well…pretty sure LJ won R2R one year on rental boots
I mean, they kind of are, if boots don't fit at all, you can't have much precision manuevering skis. I'd rather have shit skis and good boots than the opposite any day of the week.
AndreyaZvonarBoots aren’t what make you ski well…pretty sure LJ won R2R one year on rental boots
As someone who fit LJ's boots for years, I can tell you that he would very much prefer to ski in boots that fit him properly.
If he ever skied a comp in a rental boot, it would be due to him breaking his preferred boot, which he would do far more often than any other skier I worked with.
SessionI find it really weird how invested people are in cranking down a buckle that puts a large amount of pressure in a single spot. But when offered a solution to have a more uniform snug wrap with less pressure points they get indignant.
People just don't like change, it's not weird really.
Dudes probably said the same shit about fiberglass skis when they came out.
tomPietrowskiDon’t pop it just turn it back to undo it. I found if I just lean back slightly it pushes the foot into the instep and loosens the cable faster
Definitely excited to try some. I can absolutely see why they’ll be better than buckles. People can hate on boa but it really is a better performing product. Not sure about the mitten complaints. I only use mitts and have absolutely no issues working the dial. I will say the second knob does visually look really odd.
Already got chat gpt working on a design called SackLock hear me out.
Integrating a BOA system with a “sac hammock” in underwear could create a unique adjustable pouch design. Here’s how it might work:
Concept
The BOA dial system, typically used for tightening and adjusting fit in shoes or gear, could be adapted to control the tension or positioning of the “sac hammock” pouch for optimal support and comfort.
Design Features
1.Adjustable Tension Dial
•A small, discreet BOA dial could be placed on the waistband or hip area.
•The dial would connect to tension cables that subtly adjust the lift, support, or snugness of the sac hammock.
2.Custom Fit for Activity
•Loose Fit: For lounging or casual wear, the hammock could rest in a more relaxed position.
•Snug Fit: For physical activities like running or hiking, the BOA system could tighten the hammock, reducing movement and preventing discomfort.
3.Hidden Mechanism
•The cables could be embedded in fabric channels, ensuring a seamless and non-bulky look.
•The dial would be low-profile and lockable to prevent accidental adjustments.
4.Enhanced Comfort Materials
•Use of moisture-wicking, stretchable fabric to ensure comfort while the BOA system provides customization.
where lower boa mainly adds comfort the boa cuff ups the performance so much over buckles. We were just away testing new boots and had some buckle bench marks and they just can’t come close to what boa cuff offers.
If you want a boot which performs you should give it a try it’s pretty special!
SessionI find it really weird how invested people are in cranking down a buckle that puts a large amount of pressure in a single spot. But when offered a solution to have a more uniform snug wrap with less pressure points they get indignant.
Well that can also be seen as a good thing. Somone with a high instep (Me) wants to leave the third buckle down from the top nice n loose, and tighten all the rest. Boa makes it so i cant do that anymore.
One thing I never hear boa haters talk abt is how ppl w different feet react to them, my left toe buckles are almost always a lil looser than my right cuz that’s js what’s comfortable
Straight up though, these pants saved my wife's skiing season last year. Very weak knees and these actually provided enough additional support for her to ski confidently bell to bell.
Not shilling for them, bought them full price, was worth every penny.
where lower boa mainly adds comfort the boa cuff ups the performance so much over buckles. We were just away testing new boots and had some buckle bench marks and they just can’t come close to what boa cuff offers.
If you want a boot which performs you should give it a try it’s pretty special!
where lower boa mainly adds comfort the boa cuff ups the performance so much over buckles. We were just away testing new boots and had some buckle bench marks and they just can’t come close to what boa cuff offers.
If you want a boot which performs you should give it a try it’s pretty special!
I still have so many questions regarding the BOA upper cuff. I am thankful that the dial on the upper cuff system doesn’t appear to be close to the instep, which I feel is an area that gets damaged the most by skiers who are either ski very aggressively or just happen to catch their boot on metal stairs in the lodge. With that being said, do you think that the upper cuff BOA dial will pop out if someone isn’t too careful in the woods or in the lodge, or do you think it’ll handle the wear and tear way more than metal buckles?
Sorry if that appears to be pessimistic; one of the first three things that pops in my head when a new boot design enters the market other than fit and construction are figuring out where the potential failing points could be on the boot itself.
It does improve the fit alot in the cuff so it may help some people
Brule.I still have so many questions regarding the BOA upper cuff. I am thankful that the dial on the upper cuff system doesn’t appear to be close to the instep, which I feel is an area that gets damaged the most by skiers who are either ski very aggressively or just happen to catch their boot on metal stairs in the lodge. With that being said, do you think that the upper cuff BOA dial will pop out if someone isn’t too careful in the woods or in the lodge, or do you think it’ll handle the wear and tear way more than metal buckles?
Sorry if that appears to be pessimistic; one of the first three things that pops in my head when a new boot design enters the market other than fit and construction are figuring out where the potential failing points could be on the boot itself.
So far we are finding that the BOA dial and other components are doing much better in durability compared to buckles. As for the placement on the cuff I think our engineering team did a great job in the placement of the dial. Some early versions by BOA had the dial almost back on the spine but our team did some great work at better integrating the cable guides to get the placement in a prime position in my opinion. So far we have not had anyone knock off a cuff dial.
