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Not to derail this thread but… Why tf does it matter if Facebook has your IP address and operating system? You can literally just use a vpn if you’re worried about that. Cookies they use are set by Facebook themselves so that doesn't mean much. It isn’t the same thing as having your personal info or browsing habits tracked. You phrased your response as some sort of gotcha but actually if you don’t have a Facebook account then they cannot track you in nearly the same capacity that they can track a Facebook user. FYI
printing endless amounts of USD and borrowing more destroys the USD. Temporary market corrections and temporary tariffs in economic terms does this initially, and long term makes the USD stronger.
On that note. Trump hasn't reduced the deficit and if DOGE really does give back cash they're 'saving' it'll just inflate the dollar more.
snowfinderSoon he will be selling Maga gold because he destroyed the USD.
ParkingLotPissyou voted for this. you don't get to complain.
That's your job. Guess what??? ontario backed down too. We all know you're the CEO of whining about living in the wealthiest country in the history of the world.
ParkingLotPissyou voted for this. you don't get to complain.
Trump voters complaining about trump are the only way other trump voters have any chance of seeing an opposing viewpoint. You and me bitching does far less than if someone sees a fellow trump supporter bitching.
TY... i voted for the dude... WHICH MEANS I CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT HIM.
I can call him out on his BS. I'm as thick skulled as everyone might think.
Tariffs right now are a dumpster fire. Hoping whatever happens....it works out for the best in the end. Sure doesn't look like it currently.
WOuld be nice to get the Russia Ukraine shitstorm solved too.
TOAST.Trump voters complaining about trump are the only way other trump voters have any chance of seeing an opposing viewpoint. You and me bitching does far less than if someone sees a fellow trump supporter bitching.
As American and Russian officials prepared to meet in Moscow on Thursday, a senior Russian official signaled that the Kremlin could reject the proposal for a 30-day cease-fire in Ukraine but added that President Vladimir V. Putin would have more to say on the matter later in the day.
Ukraine has said it would back a temporary cease-fire if Russia did the same — but the Kremlin official, Yuri Ushakov, appeared to cast doubt on that prospect on Thursday. He told state television that such a deal would mean “nothing other than a temporary respite for the Ukrainian military,” though he cautioned that he was only offering a preliminary opinion.
is'nt this what we want? We saw trump do it to Ukraine. Now pressure the fuck out of russia.
It's crazy how people almost want to see trump do bad rather than see america do well.
.MASSHOLE.As American and Russian officials prepared to meet in Moscow on Thursday, a senior Russian official signaled that the Kremlin could reject the proposal for a 30-day cease-fire in Ukraine but added that President Vladimir V. Putin would have more to say on the matter later in the day.
Ukraine has said it would back a temporary cease-fire if Russia did the same — but the Kremlin official, Yuri Ushakov, appeared to cast doubt on that prospect on Thursday. He told state television that such a deal would mean “nothing other than a temporary respite for the Ukrainian military,” though he cautioned that he was only offering a preliminary opinion.
hes already demanded that Ukraine retreat from Kursk before he will even begin negotiations. Well Ukrainians holding in Kursk is their only real leverage, and he’s not offering to remove Russian troops from Ukrainian territory in return. No, Ukraine is just supposed to give up any leverage or areas of strength they have in order to “enter discussion,” only for Putin to not agree with the deal anyway and take Ukraine which at that point will be that much weaker having had to give up their leverage just for the privilege of talking.
VTshredder69Wonder what Putin will say to this ceasefire offer.
Luxembourg is the wealthiest country in the world.
VTshredder69That's your job. Guess what??? ontario backed down too. We all know you're the CEO of whining about living in the wealthiest country in the history of the world.
Give it 30 days and see if the tariffs actually go into effect. Stocks are reacting in real time right now and the tariffs on auto manufacturers were delayed with a carve out.
GM introduced a share buyback program vs dividends which has increased their stock value dramatically this year in comparison with Ford which is down 23% year over year.
You also have to keep in mind that these manufacturers have other measures going in their direction— such as rollbacks of climate change initiatives, emissions requirements, and electric vehicle rebates, incentives and initiatives. The “drill baby drill” is going to give manufacturers of large gas guzzling vehicles a boost that offsets the danger of tariffs to some extent— especially since the tariffs have yet to come to fruition. Also keep in mind that the primary owner of stock in both Ford and GM is Vanguard which is an investment firm that largely consists of retirement accounts and long term IRA investment accounts which primarily hold through ups and downs— and lastly, Vanguard uses balanced funds for investments so people are even less inclined to move things around during ups and downs since their investment within any given fund is so diversified.
VTshredder69Question: Why are the most vulnerable companies to tariffs stocks' relatively unchanged? FORD & GM
Why are all other stocks plummeting. Especially Nvidia which is investing 12 billion to become immune from tariffs?
Answer: Most people don't actually realize the stock market is self correcting from all time highs and blindly blaming everything on Trump & tariffs.
**This post was edited on Mar 13th 2025 at 4:27:55pm
VTshredder69is'nt this what we want? We saw trump do it to Ukraine. Now pressure the fuck out of russia.
It's crazy how people almost want to see trump do bad rather than see america do well.
What leverage do we have over Russia?
We've tried economic sanctions.
We've tried political sanctions.
All that's left is military.
The only thing Russia would accept is the one thing that's untenable to Ukraine - formally recognizing the current territory gains as Russian territory.
So if Trump say's that's what's needed for peace, that's a pipe dream. And no one in their right mind should accept that as a "successful" negotiation or peace treaty.
All that would show is that Trump cowed to Russia and that if Putin wants to get anything done he just needs to invade since the the world's largest military power, when under Trump or MAGA control, will step aside.
**This post was edited on Mar 13th 2025 at 4:38:17pm
yea let them continue killing eachother. Who cares. Biden maybe had it right. Just ignore russia entirely. what a strategy.
I'm sure trump is a russian asset. I mean he definitely doesn't have the biggest head in the room all the time.
.MASSHOLE.What leverage do we have over Russia?
We've tried economic sanctions.
We've tried political sanctions.
All that's left is military.
The only thing Russia would accept is the one thing that's untenable to Ukraine - formally recognizing the current territory gains as Russian territory.
So if Trump say's that's what's needed for peace, that's a pipe dream. And no one in their right mind should accept that as a "successful" negotiation or peace treaty.
All that would show is that Trump cowed to Russia and that if Putin wants to get anything done he just needs to invade since the the world's largest military power, when under Trump or MAGA control, will step aside.
**This post was edited on Mar 13th 2025 at 4:38:17pm
VTshredder69Question: Why are the most vulnerable companies to tariffs stocks' relatively unchanged? FORD & GM
Why are all other stocks plummeting. Especially Nvidia which is investing 12 billion to become immune from tariffs?
Answer: Most people don't actually realize the stock market is self correcting from all time highs and blindly blaming everything on Trump & tariffs.
You're not wrong about a wickedly overpriced stock market, though a lot of that comes from the M7 stock bucket. Lol to Tesla. Tariffs and economic uncertainty created by Trump's unpredictable and often irrational nature are certainly the main driving catalysts behind the recent sell off across us stocks. As for auto stocks, they're in trouble if they do get targeted by tariffs, indirectly or directly. Trumps more friendly cabinet towards unions doesn't help either but I doubt people have thought that far ahead. A couple factors potentially blunting a sharper decline of those stocks include:
-They're dividend stocks which people are rapidly moving to as uncertainty about the economy rises.
-Trump can't make up his mind and has mentioned exclusions to tariffs for certain sectors. That likely helped blunt the negative response initially.
-A bill was proposed last week to allow tax deductions on loans for American made vehicles....if that is actually introduced and passes, you can expect higher revenues.
-Tesla is losing market share in the EV market quickly. Despite poor overall performance by the big auto makers in the EV space, they're trending in the right direction.
-Tariffs on Mexico also helps prevent indirect Chinese EV sales in the US, reducing competition (BYD makes wicked cheap cars and can skirt Chinese ev import rules by setting up factories in Mexico).
You have Ford down 3.4% ytd (compared to 6ish % for Sp500) and rocking a 7%+ dividend, with a potential added benefit of a sales boosting bill in the works. It's kind of a no brainer.
Solid point... Forgot the tariffs got pushed another month for auto maker related items.
Also mostly true that 401K's and ROTH's aren't really controlled by the users and it's the big firms with peoples retirement that actually move the market.
It's funny how I think I have a choice of where my money is going by divvying it out based on "risk assessment" and "industry" options 'that i choose' I'm not actually choosing shit. But in the end it's all index related and i really believe it all just dumps into a mutual fund.
I get statements every quarter and even as an accountant it's tough to make head or tails of where my money is invested.
Trump needs to chill out with the aggressiveness which causes uncertainty.
Sno.Give it 30 days and see if the tariffs actually go into effect. Stocks are reacting in real time right now and the tariffs on auto manufacturers were delayed with a carve out.
GM introduced a share buyback program vs dividends which has increased their stock value dramatically this year in comparison with Ford which is down 23% year over year.
You also have to keep in mind that these manufacturers have other measures going in their direction— such as rollbacks of climate change initiatives, emissions requirements, and electric vehicle rebates, incentives and initiatives. The “drill baby drill” is going to give manufacturers of large gas guzzling vehicles a boost that offsets the danger of tariffs to some extent— especially since the tariffs have yet to come to fruition. Also keep in mind that the primary owner of stock in both Ford and GM is Vanguard which is an investment firm that largely consists of retirement accounts and long term IRA investment accounts which primarily hold through ups and downs— and lastly, Vanguard uses balanced funds for investments so people are even less inclined to move things around during ups and downs since their investment within any given fund is so diversified.
**This post was edited on Mar 13th 2025 at 4:27:55pm
First of all. Fuck China EV's. Biden putting a 100% tariff on them was a brilliant move and the best thing to possibly do.
I had a 2011 Honda accord V6 coupe. Puke Green color with paint peeling and one of the most hideous looking bodies of all time...but the best car I've ever driven. When does anyone remember buying a chinese product that they ranted and raved about that was refined and perfected like a Honda, Toyota or Subaru (circa 2018)
Uncertainty is def the sword that starts the bleeding we're witnessing in the market. It's also right what @Sno. pointed out. Those tariffs were pushed until April meaning people still believe they may be expunged.
Not a Musk fan... how the fuck is he in the whitehouse doing commercials for his company with the president not a different thing than insider trading???!!!
I'm seeing Elon calling for a change in tax code...
TESLA reported Net losses of 6.5 Billion dollars in SEC public reporting (EDIT: BETWEEN 2009 - 2019). Tesla only exists because of the EV tax cuts and forgiveness granted to them by Obama.
I hated Biden. I'm starting to feel the same way about trump
/end rant
HypeBeastYou're not wrong about a wickedly overpriced stock market, though a lot of that comes from the M7 stock bucket. Lol to Tesla. Tariffs and economic uncertainty created by Trump's unpredictable and often irrational nature are certainly the main driving catalysts behind the recent sell off across us stocks. As for auto stocks, they're in trouble if they do get targeted by tariffs, indirectly or directly. Trumps more friendly cabinet towards unions doesn't help either but I doubt people have thought that far ahead. A couple factors potentially blunting a sharper decline of those stocks include:
-They're dividend stocks which people are rapidly moving to as uncertainty about the economy rises.
-Trump can't make up his mind and has mentioned exclusions to tariffs for certain sectors. That likely helped blunt the negative response initially.
-A bill was proposed last week to allow tax deductions on loans for American made vehicles....if that is actually introduced and passes, you can expect higher revenues.
-Tesla is losing market share in the EV market quickly. Despite poor overall performance by the big auto makers in the EV space, they're trending in the right direction.
-Tariffs on Mexico also helps prevent indirect Chinese EV sales in the US, reducing competition (BYD makes wicked cheap cars and can skirt Chinese ev import rules by setting up factories in Mexico).
You have Ford down 3.4% ytd (compared to 6ish % for Sp500) and rocking a 7%+ dividend, with a potential added benefit of a sales boosting bill in the works. It's kind of a no brainer.
**This post was edited on Mar 13th 2025 at 7:35:15pm
VTshredder69I'd prefer to go the route of telling Russia to fuck off. Get NATO all in and pressure Russia at once.
China may get involved. If that happens then it might be time to back down.
Nuclear war is the last thing anyone should want in the end. Definitely agree Russia shouldn't be allowed to keep the land they've taken.
So military threats.
Isn't that bringing us closer to the nuclear war you're so worried about?
China will never tell Russia to kowtow to US and NATO wants. They fucking love this because it distracts EVERYONE from what they're doing in the South China Sea. Furthermore, it gives them a nice blueprint on how to take over Taiwan.
Taiwan is the next Ukraine. And thanks to Trump we’re allllllllll up in that.
.MASSHOLE.So military threats.
Isn't that bringing us closer to the nuclear war you're so worried about?
China will never tell Russia to kowtow to US and NATO wants. They fucking love this because it distracts EVERYONE from what they're doing in the South China Sea. Furthermore, it gives them a nice blueprint on how to take over Taiwan.
Its more entertaining when you realize current and ex-presidents arnt allowed to drive on public roads. Making their opinion on "what a good car is" is irrelevant. It would be more fitting for them to advertise hemorrhoid cream.
Both Jeep and Tesla make such shitty cars, only morons buy em. If you need a White House ad its probably because your shit aint selling well. Most car companys dont want to advertise to geezers its a last ditch effort when everyone else thinks your shit sucks.
You never see Toyotas pedaled at the White House because they're too busy getting sick air, and not being driven by geezers.(It has nothing to do with them being Japanese)When Lordstown motors was struggling they also tried advertising shitty EVs to geezers by using the White House.
