2024 Presidential Election thread

VTshredder69What's been done has been done. Let's not go back into the past.

The question is where does it end?

Does Ukraine actually 'beat' russia? That would be nice but highly unlikely.

Does Ukraine lose to Russia. If so at what cost. Does Nato get involved or does the US supply troops? All of our "aid" to Ukraine just turns into absolutely nothing. Because how the fuck are they going to pay us back.

Getting involved in this BS conflict that's 1500 miles away will have consequences and I don't see it turning out favorable for the USA. That's my very controversial (IDK HOW) point. It's a waste of money, resources and most importantly human life.

Its 2024 for fucks sake. I think sitting around a negotiation table goes a lot further now than it did at any point in history. Just turning the cold shoulder to Russia and blindly throwing hundreds of billions at Ukraine will work its route.

"what's been done has been done"? tell that to the people the presidents molested.

Yeah obviously negotiations would be better (although that gives Putin a chance to request some crazy shit)

I agree that the best solution is probably not throwing billions at Ukraine and hoping they somehow figure it out. But I think stopping sending recourses and letting Ukraine fend for themselves is a much worse idea. Its not like Russia will just be a bit bigger and that's the end of the story, there will be serious consequences.

Read these (or make chat GPT summarize them) articles from the Institute of the Study of War
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/high-price-losing-ukraine

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/long-term-risks-premature-ceasefire-ukraine

VTshredder69What's been done has been done. Let's not go back into the past.

The question is where does it end?

Does Ukraine actually 'beat' russia? That would be nice but highly unlikely.

Does Ukraine lose to Russia. If so at what cost. Does Nato get involved or does the US supply troops? All of our "aid" to Ukraine just turns into absolutely nothing. Because how the fuck are they going to pay us back.

Getting involved in this BS conflict that's 1500 miles away will have consequences and I don't see it turning out favorable for the USA. That's my very controversial (IDK HOW) point. It's a waste of money, resources and most importantly human life.

Its 2024 for fucks sake. I think sitting around a negotiation table goes a lot further now than it did at any point in history. Just turning the cold shoulder to Russia and blindly throwing hundreds of billions at Ukraine will work its route.

"what's been done has been done"? tell that you the people the president molested. yikes

Yeah negotiations would be nice but it opens the door for Putin to make outrageous requests it would also probably only be a temporary solution.

I agree that throwing billions at Ukraine and hoping they figure it out is probably not the most effective solution. But I think just letting the genocidal dictator take the land he wants is a much worse solution. Its not like Russia would just be a slightly bigger count ire and that the end of the story. the consequences would be huge.

read these articles from the Institute of the Study of War:


https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/high-price-losing-ukraine

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/long-term-risks-premature-ceasefire-ukraine


I'm not saying that what were doing now is the right solution just that pulling out is a terrible idea.

Only presidents that make life better are dead and green

Also Gaetz withdrawing from AG nomination cuz he's a pedophile lol. Goddamn like all the people in the new cabinet are rapists or covered up rape smh.

The nomination for AG became too old for Gaetz

.MASSHOLE.I guess it makes sense you're OK letting a "strong-man" strong-arm his way into what he wants at the expense of everyone else.

Explains the DJT vote.

It just makes me laugh when you think you know it all. Literally got everything about covid wrong. Pretend you never said it. Then think you know what you're talking about in the area of international conflict.

So i'm supposed to trust the science again?

Only this time Nukes are actually a real threat to peoples health and you're laughing it off for the sole reason your boy Biden expanded the conflict. Now being anti war is a "trump" and "Right wing" thing

Holy shit man you're one pathetic loser.

VTshredder69It just makes me laugh when you think you know it all. Literally got everything about covid wrong. Pretend you never said it. Then think you know what you're talking about in the area of international conflict.

So i'm supposed to trust the science again?

Only this time Nukes are actually a real threat to peoples health and you're laughing it off for the sole reason your boy Biden expanded the conflict. Now being anti war is a "trump" and "Right wing" thing

Holy shit man you're one pathetic loser.

You keep calling people Pro-War unless they think the USA should completely stop aid to Ukraine. It not pro war, its anti-dictatorship.

We didn't call countries that sent troupes WWII despite never being attacked themselves "pro-war".

"Then think you know what you're talking about in the area of international conflict"
What makes you think you know so much about international conflict?

Pulling out of Ukraine would be very short sighted

Made 17 days ago and already 14 pages. Wow. What’s been going on in here?

I bet it’s civil.

VTshredder69It just makes me laugh when you think you know it all. Literally got everything about covid wrong. Pretend you never said it. Then think you know what you're talking about in the area of international conflict.

So i'm supposed to trust the science again?

Only this time Nukes are actually a real threat to peoples health and you're laughing it off for the sole reason your boy Biden expanded the conflict. Now being anti war is a "trump" and "Right wing" thing

Holy shit man you're one pathetic loser.

You keep telling yourself that.

I'm not "pro-war", I'm anti-dictatorship/anti-bullying.

With Russia, Putin threw the first punch. Ukraine has every right to fight back and make their own decisions about how they utilize their military. I also believe supporting them in their right to defend themselves.

The same thing can be applied to China. With China, Xi is attempting to intimidate local countries in the South China Sea and I believe the US should support local countries in defending their territories. The same goes for supporting Taiwan. Give Taiwan the resources they need to defend their independence.

Both those leaders attempt to bully regional independent governments into falling in line, generally by show of force. I think that's wrong and believe these countries should have their independence and the right to defend themselves.

Shouldn't you, being a pro-2A individual, understand that?

I've never once advocated for deployment of troops in Ukraine. Am I against providing logistical support or intelligence support? Nope, so long as we can assure that the American lives will be protected OR that they volunteer for the assignment.

.MASSHOLE.You keep telling yourself that.

I'm not "pro-war", I'm anti-dictatorship/anti-bullying.

With Russia, Putin threw the first punch. Ukraine has every right to fight back and make their own decisions about how they utilize their military. I also believe supporting them in their right to defend themselves.

The same thing can be applied to China. With China, Xi is attempting to intimidate local countries in the South China Sea and I believe the US should support local countries in defending their territories. The same goes for supporting Taiwan. Give Taiwan the resources they need to defend their independence.

Both those leaders attempt to bully regional independent governments into falling in line, generally by show of force. I think that's wrong and believe these countries should have their independence and the right to defend themselves.

Shouldn't you, being a pro-2A individual, understand that?

I've never once advocated for deployment of troops in Ukraine. Am I against providing logistical support or intelligence support? Nope, so long as we can assure that the American lives will be protected OR that they volunteer for the assignment.

Hit the nail on the head. Ukraine has the right to fight back. The fact that the US got involved is the issue makes it way more complicated. I don't understand why sending long range missiles into Russia which elevates the conflict is a good idea.

Either way i think i've exhausted my libertarian rhetoric that has now been interpreted as pro trump. THe government is retarded on both sides but America is clearly tired of the last incompetent regime.

I want the conflict to be resolved but our government has turned it into our problem now. I think the USA is a good policing order for the good but I think they need to pick their conflicts better.

Now it's time to do some FLorida saltwater fishing because Russia and Ukraine both suck.

VTshredder69Hit the nail on the head. Ukraine has the right to fight back. The fact that the US got involved is the issue makes it way more complicated. I don't understand why sending long range missiles into Russia which elevates the conflict is a good idea.

Either way i think i've exhausted my libertarian rhetoric that has now been interpreted as pro trump. THe government is retarded on both sides but America is clearly tired of the last incompetent regime.

I want the conflict to be resolved but our government has turned it into our problem now. I think the USA is a good policing order for the good but I think they need to pick their conflicts better.

Now it's time to do some FLorida saltwater fishing because Russia and Ukraine both suck.

it would be nice if we could just decide what conflicts to care about but unfortunately these conflict have real world implications for other countries the USA included. you're delusional if you think we should just pretend it wont affect the USA ( or other NATO nations) down the line.

I totally get that it sucks to be sending all these recourses to an issue that doesn't immediately directly effect us but for the love of good try to look at the big picture.

ParkingLotPissYou keep calling people Pro-War unless they think the USA should completely stop aid to Ukraine. It not pro war, it’s anti-dictatorship.

BradFiAusNzCoCaMade 17 days ago and already 14 pages. Wow. What’s been going on in here?

I bet it’s civil.

It's a ted talk for peace

BradFiAusNzCoCaMade 17 days ago and already 14 pages. Wow. What’s been going on in here?

I bet it’s civil.

Letting 12 year olds get the better of me.