Mounting skis (Icelantic and Tyrola)

KilaTsunamiIcelantics aren’t cheap. Not saying your friend doesn’t know what they’re doing, but I’d take the drive n have a shop do it. If the shop fucks up, it’s on them. If ur buddy fucks em up, it’s gonna create beef.


Also pivots, attacks or nothin. But that’s just me

NSCrip69*Attacks or nothing

KilaTsunamiIcelantics aren’t cheap. Not saying your friend doesn’t know what they’re doing, but I’d take the drive n have a shop do it. If the shop fucks up, it’s on them. If ur buddy fucks em up, it’s gonna create beef.


Also pivots, attacks or nothin. But that’s just me

-JustDidIt-Yeah thanks
Sorry but I should of clarified but my friend is an owner of a ski shop he just doesn't have the tools to mount Tyrone's but he does only for Solomons and Rossis.
But now that I'm looking id save a good amount of money if I just went with the pivots or attacks so I'm thinking of probably doing that. The pivot design is really interesting to me so I'm going to research that

Non_State_ActorGet Salomon Strives, they're basically just an updated STH (Don't come for me STH fan Bois)

You can still buy STH 16s, or find some old stock 13s?

NSCrip69Attacks are cheaper, higher quality, lighter; and have a lower stack height.

so yea factually there’s no reason to go for strives over attacks

-JustDidIt-Ok thank you everybody. I have been really looking at the pivots and strive bindings because he also gets 50% off so the money isn't a concern. Im just getting really nice park skis and I want great bindings to match. The pivots seem to have a lot of promise but there's a lot of debate about them which I don't need to get into. But they seem really great with there high amounts of elastic travel.

-JustDidIt-Ok thank you everybody. I have been really looking at the pivots and strive bindings because he also gets 50% off so the money isn't a concern. Im just getting really nice park skis and I want great bindings to match. The pivots seem to have a lot of promise but there's a lot of debate about them which I don't need to get into. But they seem really great with there high amounts of elastic travel.

profa_212Pivots and Sth's have been considered the gold standard of bindings for decades. I see no reason the Strive would be different either.


At 50% off just get some pivot 15s or stive14/16s and enjoy. Both will do great for many many years and many pairs of skis.




For reference, i am still using multiple pairs of fks 155 race (Pivot 15 clones) which are quite literally 20 years old. They still test fine and work great.

-JustDidIt-Alright awesome Thank you. I'm mostly looking at the pivots and your saying it should get the 15s. I weigh140 so I don't know if I need that strength or are you saying that because some pivots have a more common issue of breaking?

-JustDidIt-Alright awesome Thank you. I'm mostly looking at the pivots and your saying it should get the 15s. I weigh140 so I don't know if I need that strength or are you saying that because some pivots have a more common issue of breaking?

SofaKingSickthe 15s have the metal toe (the 12s have the plastic toe; all of them have the same heelpiece)

NSCrip69Henrik harlaut uses the pivot 14 with the plastic toe. If you’re getting pivots, 14’s are the way to go. No reason for you to get the 15.

-JustDidIt-Alright awesome Thank you. I'm mostly looking at the pivots and your saying it should get the 15s. I weigh140 so I don't know if I need that strength or are you saying that because some pivots have a more common issue of breaking?

PartyBullshiitIf you get a hook up on price absolutely buy the 15’s. They’re superior in basically every way other than not having the vertical release the 12/14 does. No plastic binding can match them period.

-JustDidIt-Wouldn't not having a vertical release be an issue?

PartyBullshiitNo, by not having a vertical release in the toe on the 15/18 you have higher retention with more elastic travel. So you’re less likely to have an unwanted ejection from them than the 12/14. The 15/18 does have vertical rise but the toes do not have enough degree of rise to allow for a vertical release. The 12/14 does have true vertical release but does not have the retention and elasticity of the 15/18. That’s why henrick has custom made 16 toes with a higher din value for retention but can still have vertical release when he’s doing skiing that he’d want that like big air. When he’s doesn’t need it he skis 15/18’s.

KungKalmarI might have misunderstood your post completely but according to Blister Pivot 14 toe has 45mm elasticity while pivot 18 toe has 40mm of elasticity. Doesn't that mean 14 has more elasticity?

PartyBullshiitNo, by not having a vertical release in the toe on the 15/18 you have higher retention with more elastic travel. So you’re less likely to have an unwanted ejection from them than the 12/14. The 15/18 does have vertical rise but the toes do not have enough degree of rise to allow for a vertical release. The 12/14 does have true vertical release but does not have the retention and elasticity of the 15/18. That’s why henrick has custom made 16 toes with a higher din value for retention but can still have vertical release when he’s doing skiing that he’d want that like big air. When he’s doesn’t need it he skis 15/18’s.

here’s his custom 16’s. He does not ski the 12/14 ever.

-JustDidIt-Ok thank you but since I mostly focus on tricks/jumps I would want the vertical release the 12/14 has for any potential wierd falls correct?
Even tho yes it won't be as strong in the long run

PartyBullshiitNo, by not having a vertical release in the toe on the 15/18 you have higher retention with more elastic travel. So you’re less likely to have an unwanted ejection from them than the 12/14. The 15/18 does have vertical rise but the toes do not have enough degree of rise to allow for a vertical release. The 12/14 does have true vertical release but does not have the retention and elasticity of the 15/18. That’s why henrick has custom made 16 toes with a higher din value for retention but can still have vertical release when he’s doing skiing that he’d want that like big air. When he’s doesn’t need it he skis 15/18’s.

here’s his custom 16’s. He does not ski the 12/14 ever.

NSCrip69Actually he uses the 14 plastic toe piece because it’s lighter weight than the metal. He never switches them out, you just happened to take an old photo back when he was on the 15’s. As of recently he only uses the plastic toe piece and even has a custom white and red paint color on his. You can see him using it at the most recent X games and he’s always using the plastic one on his Instagram reels.

The pivot 14 is better for freestyle skiing because it’s lighter. As evidenced by him using it in X games slope style and big air.


**This post was edited on Oct 23rd 2024 at 8:24:26am

NSCrip69Actually he uses the 14 plastic toe piece because it’s lighter weight than the metal. He never switches them out, you just happened to take an old photo back when he was on the 15’s. As of recently he only uses the plastic toe piece and even has a custom white and red paint color on his. You can see him using it at the most recent X games and he’s always using the plastic one on his Instagram reels.

The pivot 14 is better for freestyle skiing because it’s lighter. As evidenced by him using it in X games slope style and big air.


**This post was edited on Oct 23rd 2024 at 8:24:26am

-JustDidIt-Are you just recommended ingredients the 14s because there lighter?
Or also because of there vertical release?

PartyBullshiitAgain as always you are completely wrong. Just because you’re obsessed with weight doesn’t mean everyone is. He uses the plastic housing with a 16 din for the vertical release of the toe. It has absolutely nothing to do with the weight.

evidently you have vision problems as i posted his 16 din toes. There are plenty of pictures of him using the 15/18 toes. He started using the black and orange toe plastic 16 when look first made him a custom din version. The following year they made him a one off color for him personally. Which is why they’re not sold Publicly.

just like you were wrong about Colby Stevenson using attack 14’s because they were “the lightest” when in fact he uses the heavier attack 17’s you’re wrong about this too. As per usual.

NSCrip69That’s false. If he was using it just for the 16 spring, it would be just as easy to put the 16 spring into the 15’s metal toe piece. Release has nothing to do with it. A 14 and 15 will release at the same value. Why would you put a 16 spring into a plastic housing for anything other than the weight? Think about that logically (I know that might be rly hard for you)

also highly doubt he uses din at 16. He’s like 5’5’’. His actual DIN is probably 11-14.

Colby Stevenson is heavier and taller and uses a 12 DIN.

KungKalmarMaybe you should try logical thinking once.

Why would he put 16 spring into a binding that is offered in 18?

NSCrip69That’s false. If he was using it just for the 16 spring, it would be just as easy to put the 16 spring into the 15’s metal toe piece. Release has nothing to do with it. A 14 and 15 will release at the same value. Why would you put a 16 spring into a plastic housing for anything other than the weight? Think about that logically (I know that might be rly hard for you)

also highly doubt he uses din at 16. He’s like 5’5’’. His actual DIN is probably 11-14.

Colby Stevenson is heavier and taller and uses a 12 DIN.

NSCrip69Exactly. Thank you for proving my point. It just doesn’t make sense other than because of the lighter plastic weight.

-JustDidIt-Okkkk then, so, sorry and thanks... Ok so yeah that's what I was thinking the weight Is ligit so minimal you could go poop and loose that much. So ig the bigger question with weight out of the topic is Having the vertical toe release vs having a more durable binding I've looked a lot into the pivot bindings on this forum and they said they have a tendency to break every so often but a lot of those threads were like from 9 years ago. So is that really even an issue now? And if I only weigh 140~ And then for the vertical release I've hear very mixed opinions on how useful that is

This video at 4 min says that all of the pivots now have vertical release...
So is it just old that they all don't have vertical release or do I just not understand something?

-JustDidIt-Okkkk then, so, sorry and thanks... Ok so yeah that's what I was thinking the weight Is ligit so minimal you could go poop and loose that much. So ig the bigger question with weight out of the topic is Having the vertical toe release vs having a more durable binding I've looked a lot into the pivot bindings on this forum and they said they have a tendency to break every so often but a lot of those threads were like from 9 years ago. So is that really even a issue now? And if I only weigh 140~ And then for the vertical release I've hear very mixed opinions on how useful that is

This video at 4 min says that all of the pivots now have vertical release...
So is it just old that they all don't have vertical release or do I just not understand something?

NSCrip69If weight didn’t make a difference then why do you think Look would bother to make two different models of the binding?

PartyBullshiitAre you seriously asking this question? They made a 12/14 for people who don’t need higher Dins.

Just like every other major binding manufacturer. And just like every other binding manufacturer they make the lower din models in cheaper plastic with less metal because typically people who ski the lower din do not need the extra durability of metal.

Which is why look and every other major manufacturer adds a lot more metal, weight and durability on their higher din models. Because it has nothing to do with weight. It’s about strength of the binding.

if look made a 15/18 in plastic and a metal one you could argue it’s about weight then. But they don’t. Because it’s not about weight. Never was. Never will be. No matter how much you love to keep parroting that nonsense.

PartyBullshiitThe weak point in pivots are the brakes. They tend to break more than anything else. It’s not a major issues.

If you have a connection price wise there is absolutely no reason not to get the 15. The 15 bottoms out din wise at 6 so you should be fine in the range even at your weight.

The 15’s will release vertically just not independently vertical from the toe. They require vertical and lateral motion to release. Which is what happens when you fall. The toe will rise and twist which will allow for a vertical release. Without the lateral twist as well the toe does not rise enough to release the boot. That is the main functional difference between the two different toes.

The 12/14’s wings have enough range of motion upwards to allow. Straight upwards release without requiring any lateral twist as well. The 15 toes wings are static and no not move independently like the 12/14.



just curious what price are you getting on the 15’s? And what brake do you need? Are you looking for specific color?

-JustDidIt-Ok thank you so much
For price I am not considering it much because my friend owning the shop gets business discounts so the pivot 14s and 15s are honestly pretty close in price so I'm more just considering if the pire vertical release is a want. I've heard for more landing in the far leaning back position but ive also heard of the 14 having more prereleaseing issues. I'm just trying to figure out rather 14 and you get the pure vertical release or 15 because it'll last longer and that's what I need help with

NSCrip69If the plastic is so much less durable as you claim, why do you think harlaut and other skiers who use plastic bindings, trust it enough to crash or land on 50 foot big air jumps without any issue with the binding breaking?

if these guys can trust it at that level of skiing I’m pretty sure the average joe doing black diamonds and regular park features will be fine.

NSCrip69If the plastic is so much less durable as you claim, why do you think harlaut and other skiers who use plastic bindings, trust it enough to crash or land on 50 foot big air jumps without any issue with the binding breaking?

if these guys can trust it at that level of skiing I’m pretty sure the average joe doing black diamonds and regular park features will be fine.

-JustDidIt-Also I'm looking for 100mm brakes. (My ski is 94mm so I would prefer 95 but the next smallest size they make is 100) and I'm looking for black