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KilaTsunamiIcelantics aren’t cheap. Not saying your friend doesn’t know what they’re doing, but I’d take the drive n have a shop do it. If the shop fucks up, it’s on them. If ur buddy fucks em up, it’s gonna create beef.

Also pivots, attacks or nothin. But that’s just me

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NSCrip69*Attacks or nothing

Boy if u don’t

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KilaTsunamiIcelantics aren’t cheap. Not saying your friend doesn’t know what they’re doing, but I’d take the drive n have a shop do it. If the shop fucks up, it’s on them. If ur buddy fucks em up, it’s gonna create beef.

Also pivots, attacks or nothin. But that’s just me

Yeah thanks
Sorry but I should of clarified but my friend is an owner of a ski shop he just doesn't have the tools to mount Tyrone's but he does only for Solomons and Rossis.
But now that I'm looking id save a good amount of money if I just went with the pivots or attacks so I'm thinking of probably doing that. The pivot design is really interesting to me so I'm going to research that

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-JustDidIt-Yeah thanks
Sorry but I should of clarified but my friend is an owner of a ski shop he just doesn't have the tools to mount Tyrone's but he does only for Solomons and Rossis.
But now that I'm looking id save a good amount of money if I just went with the pivots or attacks so I'm thinking of probably doing that. The pivot design is really interesting to me so I'm going to research that

Gotcha. And yea there’s a reason ppl shit over pivots. Although they’re a pain in the ass to put back on if they fall off in deep snow or steep inclines lol

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Get Salomon Strives, they're basically just an updated STH (Don't come for me STH fan Bois)

You can still buy STH 16s, or find some old stock 13s?

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Attacks are cheaper, higher quality, lighter; and have a lower stack height.

so yea factually there’s no reason to go for strives over attacks

Non_State_ActorGet Salomon Strives, they're basically just an updated STH (Don't come for me STH fan Bois)

You can still buy STH 16s, or find some old stock 13s?

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NSCrip69Attacks are cheaper, higher quality, lighter; and have a lower stack height.

so yea factually there’s no reason to go for strives over attacks

Attacks are cheaper but this guy has a friend at a shop that can hook him up with Salomon but not Tyrolia so they may not be cheaper for him.

Quality - debatable

Lighter - non-factual, the strives are the lighter of those two in equivalent din ranges.

Stack height - 2-3mm difference? Both are very low.

Elastic travel - Strive.

I'm not arguing with you at all, both are good bindings, I own both. For him I think the Strive would make his life easier without significant compromise.

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You will not be able to tell the difference between Attacks and Salomon bindings. That being said, Attacks are generally a little cheaper, so you could just buy the skis and take them to another shop. I would not mount bindings yourself unless you practice on some beaters first. Dont want to end up like the kid who drilled all the way through his skis after reading a how to article here thinking he could nail it himself

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If your homie owns a ski shop it should be well within his ability to hand mount.

If its liability or something then that is understandable. I would go with the salomon hookup and never look back. Their performance is on par with attacks or better.

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Ok thank you everybody. I have been really looking at the pivots and strive bindings because he also gets 50% off so the money isn't a concern. Im just getting really nice park skis and I want great bindings to match. The pivots seem to have a lot of promise but there's a lot of debate about them which I don't need to get into. But they seem really great with there high amounts of elastic travel.

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-JustDidIt-Ok thank you everybody. I have been really looking at the pivots and strive bindings because he also gets 50% off so the money isn't a concern. Im just getting really nice park skis and I want great bindings to match. The pivots seem to have a lot of promise but there's a lot of debate about them which I don't need to get into. But they seem really great with there high amounts of elastic travel.

Pivots and Sth's have been considered the gold standard of bindings for decades. I see no reason the Strive would be different either.

At 50% off just get some pivot 15s or stive14/16s and enjoy. Both will do great for many many years and many pairs of skis.

For reference, i am still using multiple pairs of fks 155 race (Pivot 15 clones) which are quite literally 20 years old. They still test fine and work great.

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-JustDidIt-Ok thank you everybody. I have been really looking at the pivots and strive bindings because he also gets 50% off so the money isn't a concern. Im just getting really nice park skis and I want great bindings to match. The pivots seem to have a lot of promise but there's a lot of debate about them which I don't need to get into. But they seem really great with there high amounts of elastic travel.

pivots are dope and are the gold standard, though people will debate about that. salomon STHs are great too (and i think i saw STH 16s on Evo recently for $210 which is a great price) and tyrolia attacks are good and def usually the best bang for the buck. with homework and experience you can decide what you like most but for real you'll be all good with any of them

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profa_212Pivots and Sth's have been considered the gold standard of bindings for decades. I see no reason the Strive would be different either.

At 50% off just get some pivot 15s or stive14/16s and enjoy. Both will do great for many many years and many pairs of skis.

For reference, i am still using multiple pairs of fks 155 race (Pivot 15 clones) which are quite literally 20 years old. They still test fine and work great.

Alright awesome Thank you. I'm mostly looking at the pivots and your saying it should get the 15s. I weigh140 so I don't know if I need that strength or are you saying that because some pivots have a more common issue of breaking?

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-JustDidIt-Alright awesome Thank you. I'm mostly looking at the pivots and your saying it should get the 15s. I weigh140 so I don't know if I need that strength or are you saying that because some pivots have a more common issue of breaking?

the 15s have the metal toe (the 12s have the plastic toe; all of them have the same heelpiece). the metal toe helps with durability in the long run but i wouldn't worry about that if youre young/light/new/not shredding super hard. plenty of great skiers (even me!!) use the plastic toes these days

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-JustDidIt-Alright awesome Thank you. I'm mostly looking at the pivots and your saying it should get the 15s. I weigh140 so I don't know if I need that strength or are you saying that because some pivots have a more common issue of breaking?

No. What din do you ride at?

I prefer the 15s personally because of their metal toe, whereas the 12s and 14s are the plastic toe.

I have rode both types plenty, and I've never had any true issues with 14s plastic. I simply prefer the longevity and feel of the metal toe. It's a simple fact that plastic will start to degrade, so if the price point is similar and you fit in the din range I tend to nudge towards 15s and the metal for more longevity.

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Henrik harlaut uses the pivot 14 with the plastic toe. If you’re getting pivots, 14’s are the way to go. No reason for you to get the 15.

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SofaKingSickthe 15s have the metal toe (the 12s have the plastic toe; all of them have the same heelpiece)

yeah shit sorry the 14s have the plastic toe as well

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NSCrip69Henrik harlaut uses the pivot 14 with the plastic toe. If you’re getting pivots, 14’s are the way to go. No reason for you to get the 15.

Except No he doesn’t ride the 14’s. He rides custom plastic toes that have higher din internals for the vertical release. He also has an unlimited supply being that he’s sponsored by look. For the average buyer who doesn’t haven’t that the 15’s are far superior and will last far longer.

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-JustDidIt-Alright awesome Thank you. I'm mostly looking at the pivots and your saying it should get the 15s. I weigh140 so I don't know if I need that strength or are you saying that because some pivots have a more common issue of breaking?

If you get a hook up on price absolutely buy the 15’s. They’re superior in basically every way other than not having the vertical release the 12/14 does. No plastic binding can match them period.

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PartyBullshiitIf you get a hook up on price absolutely buy the 15’s. They’re superior in basically every way other than not having the vertical release the 12/14 does. No plastic binding can match them period.

Wouldn't not having a vertical release be an issue?

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Or is that just common for lower din bindings and idk?

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-JustDidIt-Wouldn't not having a vertical release be an issue?

No, by not having a vertical release in the toe on the 15/18 you have higher retention with more elastic travel. So you’re less likely to have an unwanted ejection from them than the 12/14. The 15/18 does have vertical rise but the toes do not have enough degree of rise to allow for a vertical release. The 12/14 does have true vertical release but does not have the retention and elasticity of the 15/18. That’s why henrick has custom made 16 toes with a higher din value for retention but can still have vertical release when he’s doing skiing that he’d want that like big air. When he’s doesn’t need it he skis 15/18’s.

here’s his custom 16’s. He does not ski the 12/14 ever.

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PartyBullshiitNo, by not having a vertical release in the toe on the 15/18 you have higher retention with more elastic travel. So you’re less likely to have an unwanted ejection from them than the 12/14. The 15/18 does have vertical rise but the toes do not have enough degree of rise to allow for a vertical release. The 12/14 does have true vertical release but does not have the retention and elasticity of the 15/18. That’s why henrick has custom made 16 toes with a higher din value for retention but can still have vertical release when he’s doing skiing that he’d want that like big air. When he’s doesn’t need it he skis 15/18’s.

I might have misunderstood your post completely but according to Blister Pivot 14 toe has 45mm elasticity while pivot 18 toe has 40mm of elasticity. Doesn't that mean 14 has more elasticity?

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KungKalmarI might have misunderstood your post completely but according to Blister Pivot 14 toe has 45mm elasticity while pivot 18 toe has 40mm of elasticity. Doesn't that mean 14 has more elasticity?

Thats with release value. The pivot 12/14 toe has more range of motion and as such will release vertically. The 15/18 does not have as much range of motion upwards and will not release. That’s why I specified retention with the elasticity. You will get a vertical toe release on the 12/14 where as you will not on the 15/18.

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PartyBullshiitNo, by not having a vertical release in the toe on the 15/18 you have higher retention with more elastic travel. So you’re less likely to have an unwanted ejection from them than the 12/14. The 15/18 does have vertical rise but the toes do not have enough degree of rise to allow for a vertical release. The 12/14 does have true vertical release but does not have the retention and elasticity of the 15/18. That’s why henrick has custom made 16 toes with a higher din value for retention but can still have vertical release when he’s doing skiing that he’d want that like big air. When he’s doesn’t need it he skis 15/18’s.

here’s his custom 16’s. He does not ski the 12/14 ever.

Ok thank you but since I mostly focus on tricks/jumps I would want the vertical release the 12/14 has for any potential wierd falls correct?
Even tho yes it won't be as strong in the long run

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-JustDidIt-Ok thank you but since I mostly focus on tricks/jumps I would want the vertical release the 12/14 has for any potential wierd falls correct?
Even tho yes it won't be as strong in the long run

The 15/18 still have vertical release. It just isn’t from the toe. It’s in combination with the heel. The toe will pivot upwards and the heel will release causing a vertical release. The 12/14 will release independently from the toe as it has more range of motion upwards. Sorry for the confusion. My point was strictly on the toe piece alone. I’d still recommend the 15 as it’s just a superior binding over the 12/14

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Actually he uses the 14 plastic toe piece because it’s lighter weight than the metal. He never switches them out, you just happened to take an old photo back when he was on the 15’s. As of recently he only uses the plastic toe piece and even has a custom white and red paint color on his. You can see him using it at the most recent X games and he’s always using the plastic one on his Instagram reels.

The pivot 14 is better for freestyle skiing because it’s lighter. As evidenced by him using it in X games slope style and big air.

PartyBullshiitNo, by not having a vertical release in the toe on the 15/18 you have higher retention with more elastic travel. So you’re less likely to have an unwanted ejection from them than the 12/14. The 15/18 does have vertical rise but the toes do not have enough degree of rise to allow for a vertical release. The 12/14 does have true vertical release but does not have the retention and elasticity of the 15/18. That’s why henrick has custom made 16 toes with a higher din value for retention but can still have vertical release when he’s doing skiing that he’d want that like big air. When he’s doesn’t need it he skis 15/18’s.

here’s his custom 16’s. He does not ski the 12/14 ever.

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NSCrip69Actually he uses the 14 plastic toe piece because it’s lighter weight than the metal. He never switches them out, you just happened to take an old photo back when he was on the 15’s. As of recently he only uses the plastic toe piece and even has a custom white and red paint color on his. You can see him using it at the most recent X games and he’s always using the plastic one on his Instagram reels.

The pivot 14 is better for freestyle skiing because it’s lighter. As evidenced by him using it in X games slope style and big air.

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Are you just recommended ingredients the 14s because there lighter?
Or also because of there vertical release?

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Because about weight it isn't that much...
Between the 14 and the 15 there's only less than 1/3 of a pound on each foot extra

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NSCrip69Actually he uses the 14 plastic toe piece because it’s lighter weight than the metal. He never switches them out, you just happened to take an old photo back when he was on the 15’s. As of recently he only uses the plastic toe piece and even has a custom white and red paint color on his. You can see him using it at the most recent X games and he’s always using the plastic one on his Instagram reels.

The pivot 14 is better for freestyle skiing because it’s lighter. As evidenced by him using it in X games slope style and big air.

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Again as always you are completely wrong. Just because you’re obsessed with weight doesn’t mean everyone is. He uses the plastic housing with a 16 din for the vertical release of the toe. It has absolutely nothing to do with the weight.

evidently you have vision problems as i posted his 16 din toes. There are plenty of pictures of him using the 15/18 toes. He started using the black and orange toe plastic 16 when look first made him a custom din version. The following year they made him a one off color for him personally. Which is why they’re not sold Publicly.

just like you were wrong about Colby Stevenson using attack 14’s because they were “the lightest” when in fact he uses the heavier attack 17’s you’re wrong about this too. As per usual.

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-JustDidIt-Are you just recommended ingredients the 14s because there lighter?
Or also because of there vertical release?

He’s a troll. And a bad one at that. You’ll learn the more time you spend on the forums he’s very small and very weak so he can’t handle weight so he’s obsessed with things that are light. Which is why he constantly recommends 14 din bindings and try’s to claim “x game athletes” use the 14 bindings (which they don’t) Henrick uses 15/18’s and his custom 16’s and Colby Stevenson uses attack 17’s. David wise who’s a multi gold medal winner also uses the 18 exclusively as well.

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That’s false. If he was using it just for the 16 spring, it would be just as easy to put the 16 spring into the 15’s metal toe piece. Release has nothing to do with it. A 14 and 15 will release at the same value. Why would you put a 16 spring into a plastic housing for anything other than the weight? Think about that logically (I know that might be rly hard for you)

also highly doubt he uses din at 16. He’s like 5’5’’. His actual DIN is probably 11-14.

Colby Stevenson is heavier and taller and uses a 12 DIN.

PartyBullshiitAgain as always you are completely wrong. Just because you’re obsessed with weight doesn’t mean everyone is. He uses the plastic housing with a 16 din for the vertical release of the toe. It has absolutely nothing to do with the weight.

evidently you have vision problems as i posted his 16 din toes. There are plenty of pictures of him using the 15/18 toes. He started using the black and orange toe plastic 16 when look first made him a custom din version. The following year they made him a one off color for him personally. Which is why they’re not sold Publicly.

just like you were wrong about Colby Stevenson using attack 14’s because they were “the lightest” when in fact he uses the heavier attack 17’s you’re wrong about this too. As per usual.

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NSCrip69That’s false. If he was using it just for the 16 spring, it would be just as easy to put the 16 spring into the 15’s metal toe piece. Release has nothing to do with it. A 14 and 15 will release at the same value. Why would you put a 16 spring into a plastic housing for anything other than the weight? Think about that logically (I know that might be rly hard for you)

also highly doubt he uses din at 16. He’s like 5’5’’. His actual DIN is probably 11-14.

Colby Stevenson is heavier and taller and uses a 12 DIN.

Maybe you should try logical thinking once.

Why would he put 16 spring into a binding that is offered in 18?

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Exactly. Thank you for proving my point. It just doesn’t make sense other than because of the lighter plastic weight.

KungKalmarMaybe you should try logical thinking once.

Why would he put 16 spring into a binding that is offered in 18?

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NSCrip69That’s false. If he was using it just for the 16 spring, it would be just as easy to put the 16 spring into the 15’s metal toe piece. Release has nothing to do with it. A 14 and 15 will release at the same value. Why would you put a 16 spring into a plastic housing for anything other than the weight? Think about that logically (I know that might be rly hard for you)

also highly doubt he uses din at 16. He’s like 5’5’’. His actual DIN is probably 11-14.

Colby Stevenson is heavier and taller and uses a 12 DIN.

I know you’re a smooth brain and reading comprehension is very hard for you. So pay close attention. If it was about weight he would just be using a 14. Like you said his din is probably 11-14 so he wouldn’t need a 16 spring. He used a 15/18 because he needed the high din but wanted the full vertical toe release only available in the 12/14. So look made him a custom plastic toe with full vertical release with the custom 16 din. The plastic toe had independent moving wings which are what allow for the full true vertical release. The 15/18 wings do not move independently which is why the 15/18 do not have true upward vertical release. No matter how much you keep harping about weight no one worries about that. Especially not athletes. If harlaut was worried about weight and rides at an 11 din he could would just use the 14 and go for max weight saving. But he doesn’t. He has a heavier higher density spring installed which does what? You guessed it, adds weight. Only skier’s who worry about binding weight are touring freaks.

If colby rides at a 12 cool. He still chooses the higher heavier attack 17 binding. Know why? Because athletes don’t worry about weight of the their bindings. Any of these guys could take a shit and lose more weight than the couple of grams differences between bindings.

you’re literally the only person who cry’s on and on about binding weight.

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NSCrip69Exactly. Thank you for proving my point. It just doesn’t make sense other than because of the lighter plastic weight.

You didn’t prove any point. The difference which you clearly seem to miss is the functionality differences between the two bindings. Can lead a horse to water…….

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Okkkk then, so, sorry and thanks... Ok so yeah that's what I was thinking the weight Is ligit so minimal you could go poop and loose that much. So ig the bigger question with weight out of the topic is Having the vertical toe release vs having a more durable binding I've looked a lot into the pivot bindings on this forum and they said they have a tendency to break every so often but a lot of those threads were like from 9 years ago. So is that really even a issue now? And if I only weigh 140~ And then for the vertical release I've hear very mixed opinions on how useful that is

This video at 4 min says that all of the pivots now have vertical release...
So is it just old that they all don't have vertical release or do I just not understand something?

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If weight didn’t make a difference then why do you think Look would bother to make two different models of the binding?

-JustDidIt-Okkkk then, so, sorry and thanks... Ok so yeah that's what I was thinking the weight Is ligit so minimal you could go poop and loose that much. So ig the bigger question with weight out of the topic is Having the vertical toe release vs having a more durable binding I've looked a lot into the pivot bindings on this forum and they said they have a tendency to break every so often but a lot of those threads were like from 9 years ago. So is that really even an issue now? And if I only weigh 140~ And then for the vertical release I've hear very mixed opinions on how useful that is

This video at 4 min says that all of the pivots now have vertical release...
So is it just old that they all don't have vertical release or do I just not understand something?

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-JustDidIt-Okkkk then, so, sorry and thanks... Ok so yeah that's what I was thinking the weight Is ligit so minimal you could go poop and loose that much. So ig the bigger question with weight out of the topic is Having the vertical toe release vs having a more durable binding I've looked a lot into the pivot bindings on this forum and they said they have a tendency to break every so often but a lot of those threads were like from 9 years ago. So is that really even a issue now? And if I only weigh 140~ And then for the vertical release I've hear very mixed opinions on how useful that is

This video at 4 min says that all of the pivots now have vertical release...
So is it just old that they all don't have vertical release or do I just not understand something?

The weak point in pivots are the brakes. They tend to break more than anything else. It’s not a major issues.

If you have a connection price wise there is absolutely no reason not to get the 15. The 15 bottoms out din wise at 6 so you should be fine in the range even at your weight.

The 15’s will release vertically just not independently vertical from the toe. They require vertical and lateral motion to release. Which is what happens when you fall. The toe will rise and twist which will allow for a vertical release. Without the lateral twist as well the toe does not rise enough to release the boot. That is the main functional difference between the two different toes.

The 12/14’s wings have enough range of motion upwards to allow. Straight upwards release without requiring any lateral twist as well. The 15 toes wings are static and no not move independently like the 12/14.

just curious what price are you getting on the 15’s? And what brake do you need? Are you looking for specific color?

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NSCrip69If weight didn’t make a difference then why do you think Look would bother to make two different models of the binding?

Are you seriously asking this question? They made a 12/14 for people who don’t need higher Dins.

Just like every other major binding manufacturer. And just like every other binding manufacturer they make the lower din models in cheaper plastic with less metal because typically people who ski the lower din do not need the extra durability of metal.

Which is why look and every other major manufacturer adds a lot more metal, weight and durability on their higher din models. Because it has nothing to do with weight. It’s about strength of the binding.

if look made a 15/18 in plastic and a metal one you could argue it’s about weight then. But they don’t. Because it’s not about weight. Never was. Never will be. No matter how much you love to keep parroting that nonsense.

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If the plastic is so much less durable as you claim, why do you think harlaut and other skiers who use plastic bindings, trust it enough to crash or land on 50 foot big air jumps without any issue with the binding breaking?

if these guys can trust it at that level of skiing I’m pretty sure the average joe doing black diamonds and regular park features will be fine.

PartyBullshiitAre you seriously asking this question? They made a 12/14 for people who don’t need higher Dins.

Just like every other major binding manufacturer. And just like every other binding manufacturer they make the lower din models in cheaper plastic with less metal because typically people who ski the lower din do not need the extra durability of metal.

Which is why look and every other major manufacturer adds a lot more metal, weight and durability on their higher din models. Because it has nothing to do with weight. It’s about strength of the binding.

if look made a 15/18 in plastic and a metal one you could argue it’s about weight then. But they don’t. Because it’s not about weight. Never was. Never will be. No matter how much you love to keep parroting that nonsense.

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PartyBullshiitThe weak point in pivots are the brakes. They tend to break more than anything else. It’s not a major issues.

If you have a connection price wise there is absolutely no reason not to get the 15. The 15 bottoms out din wise at 6 so you should be fine in the range even at your weight.

The 15’s will release vertically just not independently vertical from the toe. They require vertical and lateral motion to release. Which is what happens when you fall. The toe will rise and twist which will allow for a vertical release. Without the lateral twist as well the toe does not rise enough to release the boot. That is the main functional difference between the two different toes.

The 12/14’s wings have enough range of motion upwards to allow. Straight upwards release without requiring any lateral twist as well. The 15 toes wings are static and no not move independently like the 12/14.

just curious what price are you getting on the 15’s? And what brake do you need? Are you looking for specific color?

Ok thank you so much
For price I am not considering it much because my friend owning the shop gets business discounts so the pivot 14s and 15s are honestly pretty close in price so I'm more just considering if the pire vertical release is a want. I've heard for more landing in the far leaning back position but ive also heard of the 14 having more prereleaseing issues. I'm just trying to figure out rather 14 and you get the pure vertical release or 15 because it'll last longer and that's what I need help with

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I would suggest the 14 so you can get the vertical release and lighter weight. It’ll be safer if you fall.

-JustDidIt-Ok thank you so much
For price I am not considering it much because my friend owning the shop gets business discounts so the pivot 14s and 15s are honestly pretty close in price so I'm more just considering if the pire vertical release is a want. I've heard for more landing in the far leaning back position but ive also heard of the 14 having more prereleaseing issues. I'm just trying to figure out rather 14 and you get the pure vertical release or 15 because it'll last longer and that's what I need help with

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Also I'm looking for 100mm brakes. (My ski is 94mm so I would prefer 95 but the next smallest size they make is 100) and I'm looking for black

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Also I'm looking for 100mm brakes. (My ski is 94mm so I would prefer 95 but the next smallest size they make is 100) and I'm looking for black
Also sorry new member question but how do I edit a post once I've already posted it?

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NSCrip69If the plastic is so much less durable as you claim, why do you think harlaut and other skiers who use plastic bindings, trust it enough to crash or land on 50 foot big air jumps without any issue with the binding breaking?

if these guys can trust it at that level of skiing I’m pretty sure the average joe doing black diamonds and regular park features will be fine.

Because they’re sponsored and have an unlimited supply of bindings. When one gets trashed they toss them and get new ones right away.

The average person doesn’t have that ability. So then long term durability comes into play. I don’t claim anything about plastic. The facts are that it deteriorates over time. That is just a scientifically proven fact.

if plastic bindings are so great why does look not make 15/18 bindings in plastic and only metal?

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NSCrip69If the plastic is so much less durable as you claim, why do you think harlaut and other skiers who use plastic bindings, trust it enough to crash or land on 50 foot big air jumps without any issue with the binding breaking?

if these guys can trust it at that level of skiing I’m pretty sure the average joe doing black diamonds and regular park features will be fine.

Pro skiers at the level of HH are the last people to look to for durability tbh. They have a line of fresh skis/bindings when things go wrong. You see bindings break fairly consistently at that level if you watch comps, and guess what, they are on a fresh pair of sticks next run. Not to mention they aren't using the same pair of bindings year after year. They are set into the next colorway so they really aren't putting that many days onto their gear.

I also think you are severely underestimating how many bindings break even just at your local ripper level.

There is a reason that full metal bindings like sth steels/16/18 and pivot 15/18s are sought out so much by actual people trying to get years and years of 100 day seasons out of their gear. They last forever. Plastic degrades over time due to stress, cold, UV etc. It is just a factor to take in on the material and it's not dogging the gear. And like you said, the average joe skiing 12 days a year is never going to notice a difference.

That doesn't mean that bindings like the pivot 14 are bad in any way, shape, or form. But it is why they are cheaper, and why you don't see many rippers skiing around on fully functional 15 year old attacks or griffons. IMO If you can get them for a prodeal, I would always argue to go for the longer lasting equipment. If you are paying full price, then i can understand the thought of "hey i can get 2 sets of attack 13s for the same price as pivot 15s".

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