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Hi, I'm a sr in high school rn, feels weird to even type that. Starting to scope in colleges at the moment with the intention of studying aviation. That kinda limits my options cause not that many not mini colleges have aviation programs. Only one I've found which could have much better skiing than what im used to (PA), Utah State University. Does anyone know how the skiing is around that area and like "ski atmosphere". Or like if anyone went there like if a lot of people ski and if there's like clubs or anything. If anyone went there feel free to message me so I can interrogate you. It seems like a pretty nice college, the campus is crazy pretty with mountain around it. I imagine js popping shrooms and going in the mountains fishing or js exploring wonder if ppl do that.
Frenchmayo1287Hi, I'm a sr in high school rn, feels weird to even type that. Starting to scope in colleges at the moment with the intention of studying aviation. That kinda limits my options cause not that many not mini colleges have aviation programs. Only one I've found which could have much better skiing than what im used to (PA), Utah State University. Does anyone know how the skiing is around that area and like "ski atmosphere". Or like if anyone went there like if a lot of people ski and if there's like clubs or anything. If anyone went there feel free to message me so I can interrogate you. It seems like a pretty nice college, the campus is crazy pretty with mountain around it. I imagine js popping shrooms and going in the mountains fishing or js exploring wonder if ppl do that.
I attended usu for a year and my roommate was in the aviation program. Seems very competitive. The closest skiing is beaver mountain, roughly 45 mins away. I never had the opportunity to go but it seems pretty neat. The town of Logan fucking sucks though, the cops there are bored and love to fuck kids over. I do believe there was a ski club where people would meet and carpool and shit.
Frenchmayo1287Hi, I'm a sr in high school rn, feels weird to even type that. Starting to scope in colleges at the moment with the intention of studying aviation. That kinda limits my options cause not that many not mini colleges have aviation programs. Only one I've found which could have much better skiing than what im used to (PA), Utah State University. Does anyone know how the skiing is around that area and like "ski atmosphere". Or like if anyone went there like if a lot of people ski and if there's like clubs or anything. If anyone went there feel free to message me so I can interrogate you. It seems like a pretty nice college, the campus is crazy pretty with mountain around it. I imagine js popping shrooms and going in the mountains fishing or js exploring wonder if ppl do that.
Yeah logan is full of mormons and it's a smaller town, keep that in mind.
I've skied beaver mtn before and its actually pretty rad. Long park run and it dumped when I was there so I didnt ski much park but the trees and some OB stuff is dope smaller mountain but i really enjoyed it for a few days
As mentioned above the closest resort is Beaver Mountain which is definitely a step up from anything in PA, but it's certainly no Alta or Park City. So much potential around Logan for backcountry though if you're into that but it's kind of a hike from all of the Salt Lake resorts.
Great school academics wise but pretty sure Logan is at least 90% Mormon. Not that there's anything wrong with that but culture wise it may or may not be what you're looking for.
**This post was edited on Sep 29th 2024 at 1:45:34pm
Northern UT has a pretty underrated scene. Have met some cool people who frequent Snowbasin, Beaver Mtn, Powmow, etc. It's definitely not like Salt Lake by any means but its still cool. Not much nightlife honestly. You'll have fun either way. Just don't go to Provo/Orem.
I live in Logan, go to school at the university and work park crew at the mountain. The town is decent, but not great if you're trying to party a bunch. The canyon is sick and super close and not as busy as the Cottonwoods. I've met tons of super rad people at the school and it's slowly getting less Mormon. The Beav is the best and never gets real crowded. In my opinion the parks are getting better every year, but don't expect it to be like PC. Good local park scene for what we have. A decent amount of terrain outside of the park, but nothing steep in the slightest at the resort. Tons of touring options throughout the range if you're into that stuff. If you make some good friends it's an awesome place to go to school and ski. I've got buddies in the aviation program and they really enjoy it.
Good on you for going for aviation. That’s a sweet career! Hit me up if you ever venture up to AK! Utah is dope at beaver, you’d enjoy that, Utah is about 65-70% Mormon, sometimes hard to get booze but still sick nonetheless
NSCrip69Why’s everyone here got beef with Mormons lmao 💀
Just some major cultural differences. You go to a place like Provo/Orem, you'll get what we mean. Especially people who grew up there non-mormon. Its a lot better now and there's more people from different parts of the country/world living there but at least growing up, being non-mormon was like its own weird sub culture. People used to joke that Utah was better when everyone thought we were all mormon and went to CO for skiing.
Frenchmayo1287Hi, I'm a sr in high school rn, feels weird to even type that. Starting to scope in colleges at the moment with the intention of studying aviation. That kinda limits my options cause not that many not mini colleges have aviation programs. Only one I've found which could have much better skiing than what im used to (PA), Utah State University. Does anyone know how the skiing is around that area and like "ski atmosphere". Or like if anyone went there like if a lot of people ski and if there's like clubs or anything. If anyone went there feel free to message me so I can interrogate you. It seems like a pretty nice college, the campus is crazy pretty with mountain around it. I imagine js popping shrooms and going in the mountains fishing or js exploring wonder if ppl do that.
Utah is an awesome place for skiing no doubt. I am in my sophomore year at the University of Utah and the ski culture here is absolutely unbeatable in my opinion. I took a gap year after high school and moved to Utah to get instate tuition to make college more affordable. I don't know much about our aviation program but it is an awesome school you should look into.
Known more than a few people that moved to Logan for school and eventually moved down to slc.
If your priority is to fully experience the ski culture/outdoor culture that Utah has to offer, you kind of have to live in slc (and the greater surrounding area) or park city. Otherwise you’ll just be driving down from Logan constantly or riding the Beav which is cool/lowkey/local but a far cry from riding professionally built, creative, large features alongside some of the best pro skiers in the world most days you’re in the park. And if you’re into big mountain, you will definitely grow envious of the terrain at the resorts out of slc.
If your priority is school, Logan is fine. Culturally pretty Mormon, they’re harmless in most regards but it can be an alienating experience to be around them when they’re the majority and call the shots as far as how society runs. Either way you’ll be fine, you can always move down if Logan isn’t your speed.
423-freeriderUtah is an awesome place for skiing no doubt. I am in my sophomore year at the University of Utah and the ski culture here is absolutely unbeatable in my opinion. I took a gap year after high school and moved to Utah to get instate tuition to make college more affordable. I don't know much about our aviation program but it is an awesome school you should look into.
I think im gonna have to fly over and visit if or when i get accepted because im applying to like 10 aviation schools and some of them are pretty far. I wonder how it compared culturally to New Jersey.
I actually just started in the Avation program this fall at Utah State. So far it has been pretty good, as long as you can get the class you start flying right away. A big reason I picked USU was the flight school by a ski resort. I haven’t seen what the beav is like yet but hopefully it’s good. Hit me up if you do pick USU if not good luck flying
Shifty_GodI actually just started in the Avation program this fall at Utah State. So far it has been pretty good, as long as you can get the class you start flying right away. A big reason I picked USU was the flight school by a ski resort. I haven’t seen what the beav is like yet but hopefully it’s good. Hit me up if you do pick USU if not good luck flying
Thanks man that’s good to hear, did you join the program with your PPL?
Frenchmayo1287Thanks man that’s good to hear, did you join the program with your PPL?
I didn’t but I do know two friends who did. As what I’ve seen it can be a little hard to get into the cross country class and it’s a little annoying that you need to do like 5 hours of flying and ground to show that you know what your doing. I joined the honors college to get a week early registration than anyone which was clutch cause I have also meet people who couldn’t get in the private class. I don’t plan on doing any of the extra honors work so they will probably kick me out sooner than later but the the early registration was already worth it.
I went there for a year in 2019-2020, there’s a really small resort 30 min away called cherry peak that had a small park and beaver mountain was 50 min away and had a pretty good park with good terrain. The one one thing I couldn’t handle though was there was no ski culture it seemed, I spent most days skiing the park on my own with the occasional crew. Idk if it’s different now, but I transferred down to uvu which has a good aviation program and is only 50 min from brighton, solitude, alta, and snowbird. only 30 min from sundance and an hour away from park city
Have you considered enrolling in a more traditional university? Idk if it’s worth hemorrhaging your entire future life and career just to be close to the ski slopes for 3 years.
NSCrip69Have you considered enrolling in a more traditional university? Idk if it’s worth hemorrhaging your entire future life and career just to be close to the ski slopes for 3 years.
I dont have many options since im looking to major for aviation
NSCrip69Have you considered enrolling in a more traditional university? Idk if it’s worth hemorrhaging your entire future life and career just to be close to the ski slopes for 3 years.
As someone who moved from Connecticut to Utah State for school, I would argue that it is just as traditional as many of the schools on the east coast. Just because a percentage of the population hold a certain religious affiliation doesn't make the experience/education any more or less "traditional". If the idea of a traditional school is getting shitfaced in the basement of a dilapidated apartment with a bunch of frat guys then USU might not be the place for you. On the contrary, it's sick for about anything productive and has an awesome outdoor scene. Coming here isn't going to destroy your future or career and it's totally worth coming if you want to fly and ski. Just my two cents.
NSCrip69OK then I guess the real question here is why would you want to be a glorified bus driver for the sky? The pay isn’t even good considering the WLB.
The current median pay for pilots in the US is $219k. Please show me a bus driver that makes anything near that. Being a pilot opens opportunities to see places all over the us and world. For some being a pilot is extremely rewarding and fulfilling for them. Most pilots absolutely love flying so the wlb is great for the pay they make because they’re doing what they love.
PartyBullshiitThe current median pay for pilots in the US is $219k. Please show me a bus driver that makes anything near that. Being a pilot opens opportunities to see places all over the us and world. For some being a pilot is extremely rewarding and fulfilling for them. Most pilots absolutely love flying so the wlb is great for the pay they make because they’re doing what they love.
NSCrip69You forgot to mention that new pilots don’t get to start on the larger planes, sport. And it takes specialized training for each aircraft model.
That’s “year 1” flying that aircraft (after multiple years of flying other models)
Again false. Once you earn your required hours however that may be you can fly any aircraft you are rated for. Some get it through military, some get it from private flight schools, some get that from instructing, some get that from regional airlines. My father was a commercial pilot for over 40 years. Im very well informed on this topic. Unlike yourself sport.
**This post was edited on Oct 6th 2024 at 1:37:57am
NSCrip69You forgot to mention that new pilots don’t get to start on the larger planes, sport. And it takes specialized training for each aircraft model.
That’s “year 1” flying that aircraft (after multiple years of flying other models)
Btw even if you decide to go the regional route you can pull $150k year one.
Frenchmayo1287Yeah planning to get all my licenses through college flight school, then getting my 1500hrs through being a aviation teacher, then onto regionals
Are you getting a Bachelors degree in aviation? If so and get enough credits you’ll only need 1000 hours. If you get an associates it’s only 1250. But you do need a minimum amount of credits to reduce the hours. If you don’t get either of those then you’ll need the 1500
PartyBullshiitAre you getting a Bachelors degree in aviation? If so and get enough credits you’ll only need 1000 hours. If you get an associates it’s only 1250. But you do need a minimum amount of credits to reduce the hours. If you don’t get either of those then you’ll need the 1500
Damn whole lotta non-pilots in this thread talking about shit they don't know about. First, don't do a uni aviation program if you can help it. If doing it at a university is the only way you can get loans, then thats what you've gotta do. If you can make it work financially to do it at a small local flight school, do that instead. You'll get done much faster, and save $$ compared to doing a 141 program. Airlines don't give a fuck about having a degree. If you want a degree, or some sort of post-secondary training (never a bad idea, the aviation industry is really unstable, and trends towards a ~10yr boom/bust cycle. Between that and the medical requirements, you should have a plan B.) Consider getting your A&P (aircraft mechanic's license) If you're at all interested in bush flying, having your A&P will make you a much more competitive candidate, and if you end up laid off in an industry crash (i.e. 9/11/major recession/covid), you'll have the skills to jump into many trades while you wait for the flying to pick up. I had several buddies who graduated university flight schools just before covid, and they ended up working minimum wage jobs for ~2 years while the industry recovered. 141 flight schools are expensive, stressful, overpriced, and are quick to screw people over. If you go to a smaller school (part 61), you'll be able to finish much faster (if you have the $$ and the weather, you should be able to do PPL+CPL+MULTI+IFR in a year), save money, and have more flexibility to work part time, or take time off if you need to (not to mention either being able to live with your parents, or live in a town with a much better ski situation). You also have more flexibility to switch instructors or even schools if you have an issue. The flight training industry is extremely predatory, so you need to be careful and do your research. Reddit sucks ass, but r/flying is actually pretty decent for flight training advice. There's lots of propaganda out there (mostly from flight schools) about the pay/job prospects. Remember, it's in the interest of flight schools to maximize their attendance, so they paint a better picture of the state of the industry. As I mentioned, it's very unstable. One year might have airlines offering $100k right out the gate for new pilots, the next year you'll be fighting with hundreds of other folks for a chance at a $30k job. Right now, there is a bit of a hiring downturn, that could last months, or years. And remember, that's only after you have your ~1200hrs. All the typical jobs in the US (instructing, pipeline patrol) pay horribly. I've got friends that are at the airport from sunrise to sundown, 7 days/week, and they're pulling
My point here is having to work 10 years to reach 200k is pretty excessive.
most white collar jobs these days are starting at 80-90k, unless you’re working on Wall Street then you’re starting at 200k base but that’s the exception. For a normal white collar job I’d expect 200k within 4-5 years.
eheathWhat job do you work at that paid 200k your first year of service?
Every job has a rising payscale based on years of working in that profession....
NSCrip69My point here is having to work 10 years to reach 200k is pretty excessive.
most white collar jobs these days are starting at 80-90k, unless you’re working on Wall Street then you’re starting at 200k base but that’s the exception. For a normal white collar job I’d expect 200k within 4-5 years.
NSCrip69My point here is having to work 10 years to reach 200k is pretty excessive.
most white collar jobs these days are starting at 80-90k, unless you’re working on Wall Street then you’re starting at 200k base but that’s the exception. For a normal white collar job I’d expect 200k within 4-5 years.
And your point here is false. You don’t need to work 10 years to make $200k. Once you have your required hours you can apply to any major us airline. If someone goes regional first they usually spend 1-2 years there before moving to a full scale domestic. So on year 3 of working you’d be applying for southwest and flying a 737 or spirit and flying airbus a320/321.
if you came from military you can apply to those airlines after 750 flight hours. So year one you’d be flying 737’s or a320’s.
10 years in you’d likely be a captain and making over $300k.
NSCrip69My point here is having to work 10 years to reach 200k is pretty excessive.
most white collar jobs these days are starting at 80-90k, unless you’re working on Wall Street then you’re starting at 200k base but that’s the exception. For a normal white collar job I’d expect 200k within 4-5 years.
That the thing...You dont. One of my old roommates went to flight school, flight instructed for a couple years, and started flying for Delta at like 25.
Take a field like Software Engineering- Entry level in a medium cost of living city is gonna be between 70-90k. Career path usually gets like 5-6% raises per year, with big jumps in pay either working at a tech giant (not likely, horrible work life balance), working in a niche field (AI, Machine learning, etc which a lot of those big earners have masters, so again more school), or having a change in job like becoming a manager, which takes roughly 10 years to do usually. Ive been a software engineer at an AI company for 5 years and I dont make even close to 200k. All the tech jobs I am qualified for pay like 120-150 unless I want to sell my soul and work 60 hours per week
Take another field where you can make 200k- medicine. Guess how long it takes to go through med school and residency lmao.
Lawyers have to go through law school and work their way up. Really high ceiling because you can own your own firm.
Honestly the only way you can make 200k after a couple years without starting your own business is pretty much being really freaking good at sales and get a ton of commission. Also the investment bankers on wall street that you mentioned are like the 1%, your average finance bro on Newschoolers probably is not going to get hired to wall street at 22.
For the average joe, aviation is probably one of if not the quickest way to make 200k per year without being self employed
PartyBullshiitAnd your point here is false. You don’t need to work 10 years to make $200k. Once you have your required hours you can apply to any major us airline. If someone goes regional first they usually spend 1-2 years there before moving to a full scale domestic. So on year 3 of working you’d be applying for southwest and flying a 737 or spirit and flying airbus a320/321.
if you came from military you can apply to those airlines after 750 flight hours. So year one you’d be flying 737’s or a320’s.
10 years in you’d likely be a captain and making over $300k.
That's if the industry is in a good spot. Depending on when you hit your hours, you may be able to jump straight to a major, or you may be stuck doing shit jobs for years before you're able to get hired by someone that pays you more than $50k. I've had plenty of friends end up in both situations, with luck and timing being the only deciding factors. Imo it's the best damn job on the planet, but if you're just in it for the money, you're gonna be miserable. You've gotta love flying enough to get you through the first 5-10 years (from starting flight school) until you start making enough money to not be living on rice and beans.
SendyMcSendyfaceThat's if the industry is in a good spot. Depending on when you hit your hours, you may be able to jump straight to a major, or you may be stuck doing shit jobs for years before you're able to get hired by someone that pays you more than $50k. I've had plenty of friends end up in both situations, with luck and timing being the only deciding factors. Imo it's the best damn job on the planet, but if you're just in it for the money, you're gonna be miserable. You've gotta love flying enough to get you through the first 5-10 years (from starting flight school) until you start making enough money to not be living on rice and beans.
The income levels I posted above are updated as of July 2024. Those are the current rates of pay. There is currently a massive pilot shortage. Which is why every major airline is opening their own schools or partnering with current top tier flight schools. It’s also why a lot of major airlines have dropped the requirement of having a college degree. Airlines need pilots. Of course it’s a case by case basis for every person. The point was you don’t need to fly for 10 years before you’re making good money. Shown by the current pay rates of major airlines and the current pilot median income rates in the us.
Are we just pretending that the training/hours it takes to get up to that point doesn’t count as work?
PartyBullshiitAnd your point here is false. You don’t need to work 10 years to make $200k. Once you have your required hours you can apply to any major us airline. If someone goes regional first they usually spend 1-2 years there before moving to a full scale domestic. So on year 3 of working you’d be applying for southwest and flying a 737 or spirit and flying airbus a320/321.
if you came from military you can apply to those airlines after 750 flight hours. So year one you’d be flying 737’s or a320’s.
10 years in you’d likely be a captain and making over $300k.
NSCrip69Are we just pretending that the training/hours it takes to get up to that point doesn’t count as work?
It’s called flight school for a reason. Because that’s where you learn and get trained. If you go to a partner school or dedicated airline school you get checked out on the airframes while you’re at the school itself. Until you have the hours required you cannot work as an airline pilot. Are we trying to pretend you’re working as a professional airline pilot when you don’t qualify for the job?
Uhh no, I was literally encouraging the kid not to go into this field. Why would I say that if I was working in it.
PartyBullshiitIt’s called flight school for a reason. Because that’s where you learn and get trained. If you go to a partner school or dedicated airline school you get checked out on the airframes while you’re at the school itself. Until you have the hours required you cannot work as an airline pilot. Are we trying to pretend you’re working as a professional airline pilot when you don’t qualify for the job?
NSCrip69Uhh no, I was literally encouraging the kid not to go into this field. Why would I say that if I was working in it.
Why would he take career advice from a literal kid who’s 15yo and has proven with every post he knows absolutely nothing about being a pilot and even less about how the airline industry works? We know you’re not working in it and it shows. You don’t work at all.
PartyBullshiitWhy would he take career advice from a literal kid who’s 15yo and has proven with every post he knows absolutely nothing about being a pilot and even less about how the airline industry works? We know you’re not working in it and it shows. You don’t work at all.
You also know nothing about the industry, yet that doesn't stop you from spouting nonsense. Although it seems like you have the personality to run a flight school.
SendyMcSendyfaceYou also know nothing about the industry, yet that doesn't stop you from spouting nonsense. Although it seems like you have the personality to run a flight school.
Everything I’ve posted is a fact. I know this stuff because my original career path was an airline pilot because my father wanted me to follow in his footsteps. While I was getting my degree I was attending ATP here at Ft. Lauderdale executive airport while there I got the chance to speak with more people in the industry that weren’t my father to get a more non filtered opinion on the job. That’s when I decided it wasn’t for me and stopped. So yes I’m very well informed on the subject. Absolutely nothing I’ve posted in nonsense. In fact the complete opposite. Every bit of information I posted can be easily verified. Because that’s how facts work.
Soooo you disagreed with me telling the kid not to be an airline pilot, then now you’re saying you also dropped out of pilot school.
hypocrite?
PartyBullshiitEverything I’ve posted is a fact. I know this stuff because my original career path was an airline pilot because my father wanted me to follow in his footsteps. While I was getting my degree I was attending ATP here at Ft. Lauderdale executive airport while there I got the chance to speak with more people in the industry that weren’t my father to get a more non filtered opinion on the job. That’s when I decided it wasn’t for me and stopped. So yes I’m very well informed on the subject. Absolutely nothing I’ve posted in nonsense. In fact the complete opposite. Every bit of information I posted can be easily verified. Because that’s how facts work.
