Price point

ramlaKramlaJSkis from normal brands needs to be heavily discounted, I don't buy skis from big brands if they are over 400€.
But there happens to be a brand called Pusu skis. They make beautiful wooden skis in Finland. They have model Wanaka that is absolutely everything I want from my skis. It's probably the best carving 110mm ski on the market, It grips on pure ice like a dream. Around 1900g weight is the best for my usage. Stiff from tail to the point where tip rocker starts and from there it's quite soft. Best graphics on the market. Lighter swing weight than my park skis.
All of this costs 1100€ and I do not regret buying them. In fact I will sell all of my other skis and buy another pair in the same size. So then I will have a park/rock ski and a new fresh pair for everything else. This will continue every season until Pusu doesn't exist anymore. Probably won't touch skis from other brands in a while. (I love Pusu)

So from summer sale with under 400€ price tag, but if It's a Finnish company that makes the best skis for me I'm willing to pay the 1100€ price tag.

PartyBullshiitYa I was basically excluded sale skis for this comparison. Essentially only new season skis, but your point about a really special ski you love is very valid. That would fall under the limited special skis for me. At 1100eu that would be a damn pricey us ski. Is it a normal production ski made every season?

weatcoastOn3p charging $900 for park skis that use the same exact edges as every other manufacturer and getting away with it is easily the greatest marketing feat of all time. Their chief of marketing needs a raise for sure

VzxWhere are you getting 900 from? I could go on their website right now and pick up a pair for almost half of that with discounts.

**This post was edited on Jul 26th 2024 at 9:14:16pm

PartyBullshiitPast seasons are currently onsale. This thread was about 24/25. Meaning not onsale. In which case they are aboot $900. Or in my case they were $1100 for customs.

VzxOh my bad for not fully reading the thread. Personally I don’t really think it’s worth it to spend an extra 200-300 on customs especially when you’re just customizing the base and top sheet. It doesn’t matter though because people can spend their money on what they want without other people’s influence.

Voyage86i would literally never ever pay more than 500 for a ski. All my skis i have ever bought have been on end of season sales. Most of my pairs were around 500 total including the binding all brand new. I see absolutely zero point in buying new skis at the beginning of the season. I really compare people who buy new skis at the begging of the year to trigger happy 12 year olds that can’t wait the 2 months for the price to drop. honestly i’m just not sure how these ski companies are making money because I don’t know who is paying full price for these twigs. it’s an utter rip off.

nCrowYeah this thread is honestly fucking crazy. On3p factory finds for 600 is the highest I’ve ever gone. Nothing over 450 ever besides that. Skis are tools for shredding why would I spend a shit ton of money on something I’m actively destroying

PartyBullshiitThe tricky one for me is on something custom which is what got me wondering this whole price thing in general. I completely understand the need for a higher price on a ski that literally custom made for you and not at all a normal production. How much? I’m not sure. The one that bothers me is someone offering a ski that’s essentially a normal production ski but maybe a semi custom top sheet or base etc and trying to charge a fair amount more than the standard version. The one that got me on this thought was On3p. I’ve been interested in a Jeff 100. I know cheating on moment yada yada but I’d like to get one. I just hate yellow and that’s the TS color. But for me to change it to the blue ts with a different base takes the ski from $849 to like $1100. Which makes absolutely zero sense to me. I’m getting a ski that’s a regularly production with a TS and base that’s standard offerings. If I wanted full custom pictures and bases etc I’d completely understand the price increase, But for options that are all standard offerings and do not require any kind of crazy retooling or custom graphic creations etc I find it very hard to justify the price increase.

FaunaSkisA full custom ski designed to your spec is likely to be $2000+ from the likes of Wagner Custom.
Changing top sheet graphics, sidewall or base colours is more disruptive to production than you would think, a high proportion of the cost of making skis is labor and you keep skis affordable with the efficiency of batch production.
A simple way to understand it is, to make 3 identical sandwiches it doesn't take 3 times as long as making a single sandwich as you don't have to get out the ingredients every time and you can spread them on the bread in batches etc.
Full custom eliminates that efficiency and semi-custom mostly eliminates it too. There are tricks and ways of making semi-custom skis more efficiently, but you can't get away from the fact the team building the skis have to stop their main production program and focus solely on organising and putting together your combination of materials and shape.

LOOK_at_meI think the most I have ever spent on park skis was a pair of neon wides 2 seasons back. I believe they were about $650 shipped. I try to set $600 as the most I will pay. Also I will never spend more than $250 on bindings. Race wise, I was the best on the high school mens team and everyone had new skis but I chose to get used pairs at ski swaps for about $100. They were already broken in and they still had tons of life left in them.

LOOK_at_meI think the most I have ever spent on park skis was a pair of neon wides 2 seasons back. I believe they were about $650 shipped. I try to set $600 as the most I will pay. Also I will never spend more than $250 on bindings. Race wise, I was the best on the high school mens team and everyone had new skis but I chose to get used pairs at ski swaps for about $100. They were already broken in and they still had tons of life left in them.

weatcoastJust get tyrolia attack 14’s and you have the best binding on the market without having to worry about price.

PartyBullshiit

That’s funny this guy claimed pivots are the best.

And this guy claimed pivots are better than attacks. Weird.

Non_State_ActorThis is stalking behavior. You have an archive of this dudes posts or what. It's creepy.

PartyBullshiitYou’re printing the graphic and laying it on top. It’s really not that huge of an extra step. Again I’m not talking about adding a full custom graphic that isn’t a normal option like a custom picture etc. but if I’m just using one of your standard TS from one ski and putting it on another is it really that huge of a disruption? Not really.

hot.pocketOh, it absolutely is, at least in my manufacturing process.

Our topsheets are produced in batches, so unless I'm already producing the graphic that you want on a different model, I have to produce an individual graphic, which is honestly a pain in the ass.

Plus all the post layup procedures, if I have a production ski that makes it all the way to the end and then an issue is found, no problem, I've got another hundred coming through the pipeline. If your custom ski makes it all the way to the end and then I find an issue, it's back to square one.

Non_State_ActorThis is stalking behavior. You have an archive of this dudes posts or what. It's creepy.

PartyBullshiitNa it’s calling out a troll who’s just here to argue with people for fun and make burner accounts to try and make himself look right. He’s a walking contradiction.

weatcoastFacts. This guy is a straight stalker. Went to a mod to get my address and saves screenshots of all my comments.

VzxActing like you don’t do the same 🤣

PartyBullshiitWell that’s why I specifically stated using a graphic that’s already in the current lineup. Taking the current blue f14 and using it on the 100.

like I said something custom and one off I completely understand the hassle.

hot.pocketMy statement was in regards to taking a graphic from production model X and putting it on production model Y. It's a huge hassle to do even if it's not a custom graphic.

PartyBullshiitCompletely understand now. I misread. That was my mistake. Is it just the fact that changing say a wildcat 108 graphic for a wildcat 101 (same graphic different colors) a pain because you have to print a custom sheet with the new dimensions?

NSMostWantedYea I’d say so since the 101 is thinner than the 108. Also the machine might not be set up for that specific graphic

NSMostWantedYea I’d say so since the 101 is thinner than the 108. Also the machine might not be set up for that specific graphic

NSMostWantedYea I’d say so since the 101 is thinner than the 108. Also the machine might not be set up for that specific graphic

deacweatcoast burner

PartyBullshiitBurner #2 for him.

PartyBullshiitCompletely understand now. I misread. That was my mistake. Is it just the fact that changing say a wildcat 108 graphic for a wildcat 101 (same graphic different colors) a pain because you have to print a custom sheet with the new dimensions?

hot.pocketNo, it's mostly because I don't have a stack of graphics always ready to go, and when we decide to produce X amount of model Y, we then start producing X amount of that graphic to go along with it.

We can rush produce graphics in about a day and a half, but in regular production they take 2-3 days to fully produce, even if it's just a single, ready to go, graphic.

RparrI dropped 1100 on a pair of custom on3p wood veneers lmao. Always wanted a pair. And yes, I hit rails with them all the time.

-eREKTion-Having been to the Moment factory and seen the whole process, I understand why they don’t want to dabble in the custom ski game. There’s so many moving parts in a well oiled manufacturing machine.

As for ON3P, I think iggy did a blister podcast a couple of years ago talking about their transition to more and more custom work. It sounds like a massive logistical effort and investment for them to do like 20-30% of their volume as custom (or whatever the actual number is). Find that podcast and it will become super apparent why they charge more. It’s hard to complain, I’ve never bought custom ON3P’s but the more options they add the more tempted I become. They’re offering 2 rocker profiles and 3 layups in addition to thousands (millions?) of permutations of base/topsheet graphics. Hard to knock their pricing, especially if you get in on the custom sale.

PartyBullshiitMoment use to offer custom graphics years ago. I don’t remember exactly but I recall some posts about them charging like $50 bucks more or something around that for the custom options.

-eREKTion-I don’t know how much they charged but I definitely asked them about custom graphics at some point. They also used to entertain full-custom commissions as well, there was some guy on TGR with full maple PB&J’s. I think they were close to 2300g per ski for a 101 waist which is beefy as hell. I’m going to go out on a limb and assume that they stopped because it was no longer worth the extra effort.

Moment is also much bigger now than they were ~10 years ago when I bought my first pair off them. And even then, they were getting rid of the really niche skis in their lineup (rip Reno Rocker and Garbones). As they’ve scaled up, they’ve had to scale back the custom options.

I think we kind of take companies like Moment and ON3P for granted. Both are designing and building skis without compromising performance or quality and they’re doing it in the USA. They’re both active in the community and on forums but I think it adds some perspective to remember that none of us would even think to ask Volkl or Rossignol for custom options.

… and I like both Volkl and Rossi but I’ll keep buying from Moment and ON3P not just to support the brands but because I like the shit they’re making.

sorry for the off-topic rant.

PartyBullshiitYa no doubt about the growth changing things with moment. For the better of course. A couple years back when I was asking about custom TS for a wildcat they basically said just that. They’ve gotten too big to be able to viably keep offering the custom stuff at this point. Which was understandable for sure. All the reasons you mentioned is exactly why my quiver is all moments.