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Patellar Tendonitis is the worst

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Agate420
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Around early February last season my knees starting hurting, I started taking Advil and warming up but still kept skiing through March. One day I woke up and my knees were so cooked I couldn't even lift my legs up so made a doctors appointment and was diagnosed with Patellar Tendonitis. I Started PT but didn't fully stick with it until about 2 months ago. Since then I have been doing PT religiously everyday when I wake up and icing after work/ any physical activity. To combat inflammation I have been doing light therapy and applying Voltaren arthritis relief gel to the kneecap and surrounding areas ( Recommended by a doctor instead of naproxen ). I have recently had a pinching sensation in my left knee where the patellar tendon connects to the kneecap, only while walking without a brace.


Has anyone here had an injury similar to this? How long should I expect to rehab before being able to ski and skate again?


I have a strong feeling that this injury has a direct correlation with the fact that my ski boots were a size too big, I previously had Dalbello DS MX 75's in the 22/23 season and had absolutely no problems with shinbang or anything in my knees. Then for the 23/24 season I bought Full Tilt Twp's in at 27.5 They were slightly too big and like dumbass I used them anyways. So my question is, Should I switch back to Dalbellos for the next season? I have been looking at the IL MORO pro in a 26.5 for this season and there are some fire deals right now.

**This thread was edited on Jul 22nd 2024 at 2:13:59pm
Jul 22 2024 2:12PM
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Getshifty
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Agate420Around early February last season my knees starting hurting, I started taking Advil and warming up but still kept skiing through March. One day I woke up and my knees were so cooked I couldn't even lift my legs up so made a doctors appointment and was diagnosed with Patellar Tendonitis. I Started PT but didn't fully stick with it until about 2 months ago. Since then I have been doing PT religiously everyday when I wake up and icing after work/ any physical activity. To combat inflammation I have been doing light therapy and applying Voltaren arthritis relief gel to the kneecap and surrounding areas ( Recommended by a doctor instead of naproxen ). I have recently had a pinching sensation in my left knee where the patellar tendon connects to the kneecap, only while walking without a brace.


Has anyone here had an injury similar to this? How long should I expect to rehab before being able to ski and skate again?


I have a strong feeling that this injury has a direct correlation with the fact that my ski boots were a size too big, I previously had Dalbello DS MX 75's in the 22/23 season and had absolutely no problems with shinbang or anything in my knees. Then for the 23/24 season I bought Full Tilt Twp's in at 27.5 They were slightly too big and like dumbass I used them anyways. So my question is, Should I switch back to Dalbellos for the next season? I have been looking at the IL MORO pro in a 26.5 for this season and there are some fire deals right now.

**This thread was edited on Jul 22nd 2024 at 2:13:59pm


I had this exact injury last year, and was able to recover just fine!

I tried a lot of different PT exercises / routines that people recommend, and only saw slight improvement. In the end the program I found that finally fixed my Patellar Tendonitis was Jake Tura's Jumpers Knee Protocol. It's a PT program that's focused for athletes and is a 4 stage process that will not only completely reduce pain but will address the weaknesses in your kinetic chain which is the root cause for Patellar Tendonitis.

I highly recommend reading the book (it's quite short and you can find it for free online), and following each stage. Don't make the same mistake I did and stop after the lifting stage.

Also the cause for your Patellar Tendonitis is most likely not your ski boots, and is a result of weaknesses in your hips / knee / calf combined with overuse.
Jul 22 2024 2:25PM
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d_kol
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Agate420Around early February last season my knees starting hurting, I started taking Advil and warming up but still kept skiing through March. One day I woke up and my knees were so cooked I couldn't even lift my legs up so made a doctors appointment and was diagnosed with Patellar Tendonitis. I Started PT but didn't fully stick with it until about 2 months ago. Since then I have been doing PT religiously everyday when I wake up and icing after work/ any physical activity. To combat inflammation I have been doing light therapy and applying Voltaren arthritis relief gel to the kneecap and surrounding areas ( Recommended by a doctor instead of naproxen ). I have recently had a pinching sensation in my left knee where the patellar tendon connects to the kneecap, only while walking without a brace.


Has anyone here had an injury similar to this? How long should I expect to rehab before being able to ski and skate again?


I have a strong feeling that this injury has a direct correlation with the fact that my ski boots were a size too big, I previously had Dalbello DS MX 75's in the 22/23 season and had absolutely no problems with shinbang or anything in my knees. Then for the 23/24 season I bought Full Tilt Twp's in at 27.5 They were slightly too big and like dumbass I used them anyways. So my question is, Should I switch back to Dalbellos for the next season? I have been looking at the IL MORO pro in a 26.5 for this season and there are some fire deals right now.

**This thread was edited on Jul 22nd 2024 at 2:13:59pm


Get the gnarliest foam roller you can find and use it 3-4 times a day, every day. Tight quads pull on your knees a ton and rolling out your IT band will help tons, or at least take the edge off.
Jul 22 2024 2:59PM
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Rparr
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Tendonitis in general is a terrible condition, I've never had it in my knee but it has tormented me in my wrists and Achilles for years. Tendonitis can't be healed by just waiting, you have to gradually strengthen the tendon for a long time. And then after that, you still have to be careful because it's really easy to over-do it and cause a flare up.

Like my achilles tendonitis, I've been dealing with it for years. Most of the time I can get it under control and be relatively pain free, but sometimes I will do something that was just far too much and it will send me into a flare up that lasts 1-2 months before I can get it back under control. It's a really aggravating condition, I'm not sure I'll ever be completely free of it
Jul 22 2024 3:01PM
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treebeard
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Get a bike, get a professional fitting done, then ride your bike! I first started dealing with patellar tendonitis in 2010/2011, when it was at its worst the only way I could describe it was if someone took a white-hot cylinder and pushed it vertically through the center of my knee. Super painful and not much you can do about it. Tried a few different knee braces, only had luck with a patellar strap brace but it never felt like it was solving the issue, just allowed me to ski/bike again with reduced pain.

Around 2017 I built a road bike and got professionally fitted to it. Since then my knee pain has slowly subsided, to the point where I barely notice it anymore aside from random days. I really haven't done any other kind of PT/stretching, so I strongly believe the bike is what helped stretch and strengthen the tendon/ligaments, but this was only possible because I was properly fitted to the bike. An improper fit can actually create more problems
Jul 22 2024 4:09PM
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Dlonetti
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after acl surgery my doc told me i was basically guaranteed to have patellar tendinitis at some point lol
Jul 22 2024 4:38PM
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Agate420
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GetshiftyI had this exact injury last year, and was able to recover just fine!

I tried a lot of different PT exercises / routines that people recommend, and only saw slight improvement. In the end the program I found that finally fixed my Patellar Tendonitis was Jake Tura's Jumpers Knee Protocol. It's a PT program that's focused for athletes and is a 4 stage process that will not only completely reduce pain but will address the weaknesses in your kinetic chain which is the root cause for Patellar Tendonitis.

I highly recommend reading the book (it's quite short and you can find it for free online), and following each stage. Don't make the same mistake I did and stop after the lifting stage.

Also the cause for your Patellar Tendonitis is most likely not your ski boots, and is a result of weaknesses in your hips / knee / calf combined with overuse.



I will definitely have to hunt the pdf down, I’ve been looking into it and definitely looks like it’s helped a lot of people. How long did it take you to recover?
Jul 22 2024 4:41PM
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Agate420
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d_kolGet the gnarliest foam roller you can find and use it 3-4 times a day, every day. Tight quads pull on your knees a ton and rolling out your IT band will help tons, or at least take the edge off.



I just went to Walmart and got one, followed a YouTube video and had instant relief. Thank you so much
Jul 22 2024 4:43PM
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Agate420
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Dlonettiafter acl surgery my doc told me i was basically guaranteed to have patellar tendinitis at some point lol


The biggest thing I will take away from this is to just be weary of the impact my knees are taking during any activity

Elastic band is also a must have for warming up
Jul 22 2024 4:54PM
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Dlonetti
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Agate420The biggest thing I will take away from this is to just be weary of the impact my knees are taking during any activity

Elastic band is also a must have for warming up

do a fuck ton of rehab. i’m basically doing shit for my knees every day in the gym. look into kneesovertoesguy
Jul 22 2024 6:14PM
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muffMan.
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Well thread came at a good time, got some fucky feeling in my knee, 5 years post ACL. PT appointment coming up.

Kinda been a dull pain for a year or 2 now, has gotten real bad since getting back in the gym again.

Just like the entire front part of my knee is on fire, right where my patella is. Also knee clicks bad biking but probably another problem.
Jul 23 2024 2:06AM
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muffMan.
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Dlonettido a fuck ton of rehab. i’m basically doing shit for my knees every day in the gym. look into kneesovertoesguy


honestly thought this dude was full of shit, but did a deep dive and seemed like some cool success stories.

incorporated walking backwards to warmup and the wall tib raises, feel a improvement for sure. Do you do the rest of his exercises? Might try and slanted squat soon.
Jul 23 2024 2:10AM
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theabortionator
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Fuck dude I'm sorry. That sounds rough. Hopefully the rehab goes well!
Jul 23 2024 7:33AM
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Poikenz
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muffMan.honestly thought this dude was full of shit, but did a deep dive and seemed like some cool success stories.

incorporated walking backwards to warmup and the wall tib raises, feel a improvement for sure. Do you do the rest of his exercises? Might try and slanted squat soon.


It's good, just be careful with the atg split squat as it's pretty easy to overstretch if you're trying to push it
Jul 23 2024 9:13AM
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johnblaze
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Research BPC-157 and TB-500. My order just arrived for tendonitis in my elbow. Will let you know it's going once I get the shot in there.
Jul 23 2024 10:08AM
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Dlonetti
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muffMan.honestly thought this dude was full of shit, but did a deep dive and seemed like some cool success stories.

incorporated walking backwards to warmup and the wall tib raises, feel a improvement for sure. Do you do the rest of his exercises? Might try and slanted squat soon.


I mainly incorporate some of his easier stuff (5 min walking backwards on incline treadmill, tib raises, calf raises, atg split squat) along with other rehab stuff I already do for my knee from PT after surgery (banded TKEs, core stuff, single leg rdls, heel taps etc) also elephant walks during warm ups has been great for me. if I my gym had a sled/space I would do the reverse sled pulls too. overall goals of improving mobility and symmetrical strength on both sides.
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Rparr
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johnblazeResearch BPC-157 and TB-500. My order just arrived for tendonitis in my elbow. Will let you know it's going once I get the shot in there.


don't you have to inject that stuff for it to work well?
Jul 23 2024 11:18AM
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johnblaze
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Rparrdon't you have to inject that stuff for it to work well?


That's my plan.
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murphyboiiii
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Agate420Around early February last season my knees starting hurting, I started taking Advil and warming up but still kept skiing through March. One day I woke up and my knees were so cooked I couldn't even lift my legs up so made a doctors appointment and was diagnosed with Patellar Tendonitis. I Started PT but didn't fully stick with it until about 2 months ago. Since then I have been doing PT religiously everyday when I wake up and icing after work/ any physical activity. To combat inflammation I have been doing light therapy and applying Voltaren arthritis relief gel to the kneecap and surrounding areas ( Recommended by a doctor instead of naproxen ). I have recently had a pinching sensation in my left knee where the patellar tendon connects to the kneecap, only while walking without a brace.


Has anyone here had an injury similar to this? How long should I expect to rehab before being able to ski and skate again?


I have a strong feeling that this injury has a direct correlation with the fact that my ski boots were a size too big, I previously had Dalbello DS MX 75's in the 22/23 season and had absolutely no problems with shinbang or anything in my knees. Then for the 23/24 season I bought Full Tilt Twp's in at 27.5 They were slightly too big and like dumbass I used them anyways. So my question is, Should I switch back to Dalbellos for the next season? I have been looking at the IL MORO pro in a 26.5 for this season and there are some fire deals right now.

**This thread was edited on Jul 22nd 2024 at 2:13:59pm


I was diagnosed with it last year after fucking up on a trampoline. It’s a soreness/pain in between my knee cap and the top of my shin. Hurts like a mofo. I’ve found that stretching (I lay flat on my chest and pull my foot towards my butt) and using a massage gun on my thigh helps a lot.
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Agate420Around early February last season my knees starting hurting, I started taking Advil and warming up but still kept skiing through March. One day I woke up and my knees were so cooked I couldn't even lift my legs up so made a doctors appointment and was diagnosed with Patellar Tendonitis. I Started PT but didn't fully stick with it until about 2 months ago. Since then I have been doing PT religiously everyday when I wake up and icing after work/ any physical activity. To combat inflammation I have been doing light therapy and applying Voltaren arthritis relief gel to the kneecap and surrounding areas ( Recommended by a doctor instead of naproxen ). I have recently had a pinching sensation in my left knee where the patellar tendon connects to the kneecap, only while walking without a brace.


Has anyone here had an injury similar to this? How long should I expect to rehab before being able to ski and skate again?


I have a strong feeling that this injury has a direct correlation with the fact that my ski boots were a size too big, I previously had Dalbello DS MX 75's in the 22/23 season and had absolutely no problems with shinbang or anything in my knees. Then for the 23/24 season I bought Full Tilt Twp's in at 27.5 They were slightly too big and like dumbass I used them anyways. So my question is, Should I switch back to Dalbellos for the next season? I have been looking at the IL MORO pro in a 26.5 for this season and there are some fire deals right now.

**This thread was edited on Jul 22nd 2024 at 2:13:59pm


I was diagnosed with it last year after fucking up on a trampoline. It’s a soreness/pain in between my knee cap and the top of my shin. Hurts like a mofo. I’ve found that stretching (I lay flat on my chest and pull my foot towards my butt) and using a massage gun on my thigh helps a lot.
Jul 23 2024 1:43PM
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Getshifty
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Agate420I will definitely have to hunt the pdf down, I’ve been looking into it and definitely looks like it’s helped a lot of people. How long did it take you to recover?


If you DM me your email I can send it to you for free. And I started the program last September and was fully healed by the start of ski season. So about 3-4 months, and at the end I was the fittest I had ever been. Highly recommend grinding it out it’s rlly worth it.
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Loodwik
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Struggled with this for about 3 years.
What helped me in the end was eccentric one legged squats with heels on a rolled up towel everyday, followed by quad stretching. Usually did this first thing after skiing.
Also, avoid backseat landings!
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She get patellar on my tendon till I itis
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keweenaw_skier
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johnblazeResearch BPC-157 and TB-500. My order just arrived for tendonitis in my elbow. Will let you know it's going once I get the shot in there.


Update?
Oct 15 2024 4:41PM
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johnblaze
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keweenaw_skierUpdate?


It didn't do shit. Probably 2 months of almost daily injections. One issue may be finding a retailer that has a good product. Since it isn't regulated you don't really know what you're getting and I'm not real sure the site I used was particularly reputable. My buddy is a power lifter and is saying he's going to start using it for his shoulder, so I want to see how that goes before I go in again. I'd also not do it on site in my elbow but either in my shoulder where there is more meat or in the skin on my stomach. All in all pretty disappointed.
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Session
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It's not an injury, it's just weakness, and lack of flexibility.
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Agate420Around early February last season my knees starting hurting, I started taking Advil and warming up but still kept skiing through March. One day I woke up and my knees were so cooked I couldn't even lift my legs up so made a doctors appointment and was diagnosed with Patellar Tendonitis. I Started PT but didn't fully stick with it until about 2 months ago. Since then I have been doing PT religiously everyday when I wake up and icing after work/ any physical activity. To combat inflammation I have been doing light therapy and applying Voltaren arthritis relief gel to the kneecap and surrounding areas ( Recommended by a doctor instead of naproxen ). I have recently had a pinching sensation in my left knee where the patellar tendon connects to the kneecap, only while walking without a brace.


Has anyone here had an injury similar to this? How long should I expect to rehab before being able to ski and skate again?


I have a strong feeling that this injury has a direct correlation with the fact that my ski boots were a size too big, I previously had Dalbello DS MX 75's in the 22/23 season and had absolutely no problems with shinbang or anything in my knees. Then for the 23/24 season I bought Full Tilt Twp's in at 27.5 They were slightly too big and like dumbass I used them anyways. So my question is, Should I switch back to Dalbellos for the next season? I have been looking at the IL MORO pro in a 26.5 for this season and there are some fire deals right now.

**This thread was edited on Jul 22nd 2024 at 2:13:59pm


grew up mogul skiing and this was the bane of my existence bro so i feel ur pain. haven't dealt w it for a few years. ultimately it tends to be a strength and recovery issue. Ice (get an ice machine) + rest + back squats will get you right. advil isn't the cure it'll just make it worse over time. check out PHUL (power hypertrophy upper lower) - rip this before ski szn and take a week off every month or so so inflammation can die down.

on top of squats a massively overlooked aspect of performance and knee health w skiing is strengthening your tibialis muscles (front of calf) and hamstrings. check out the "kneesovertoesguy". helps a ton. dealt w knee issues from the time I was 12-20 and 20-25 has been a breeze since i went deeper into what was causing me problems. even broke my back and some of this stuff helped fix. DM me if u want more info.
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Agate420
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Crazy plot twist, I got some bloodwork done the other day and the doctor looked it over and asked me if I was a deer hunter. I was like why does that have to do with anything and he said that signs are pointing to me contracting Lyme from a diseased tick which would explain long term tendon pain that doesn’t heal correctly. Hopefully this is the end of this whole thing and I can just go skiing

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theabortionator
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Agate420Crazy plot twist, I got some bloodwork done the other day and the doctor looked it over and asked me if I was a deer hunter. I was like why does that have to do with anything and he said that signs are pointing to me contracting Lyme from a diseased tick which would explain long term tendon pain that doesn’t heal correctly. Hopefully this is the end of this whole thing and I can just go skiing

**This post was edited on Nov 14th 2024 at 9:59:30pm


Oh shit dude! Def stay up on your appointments and stuff figuring that out. Lyme can be pretty gnarly. Hopefully they're able to treat it and you recover nicely. Best of luck dude!
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