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Given the Selzer poll and what some rogue cameramen have been showing (uncharacteristically low turn out at his rallies), it seems that things are looking that way.
Haven't talked much about the election, but I've got some thoughts that nobody asked for. I'll try to keep it observational.
-What's both surprising and not surprising is Trump's slide backward in the past 10 days. Trump didn't really do or say anything that is outside of the norm for Trump. What happened was that people around him said stupid things, and his campaign made some stupid decisions. I'm not going to pearl clutch over Tony's joke, but damn that is not the sort of shit a campaign (That is doing historically well with the Hispanic vote) should be clearing a week or so before an election. But Trump can't get the people who don't make those mistakes, because he's either fired or talked shit about all but those most loyal to him, and has distanced the people that would be good for his campaign as such.
-Trump is all about energy, and homie has not had a lot of it lately. I can't blame the guy. He's old, occasionally getting shot at, and facing prison time. If Trump doesn't have the energy and/or the scandal of the week to talk about it's just hours of ranting and I think that for some of his supporters that's getting old. It's not likely that those folks will vote for Kamala, but it may be more likely that they vote independent or not at all. In an election this close you can't afford that.
-Kamala's campaign has lost a lot of energy since the presidential debate win, and Vance definitely beat out Walz in the VP debate, but damn if it is not death by a thousand cut's for trump with the endorsements Kamala is getting. There is some popular figure almost daily endorsing Kamala and the only thing that stuck out recently for Trump was Logan fucking Paul. Another controversial figure.
On top of this Trump is facing all of these Non-Endorsements as well. These are folks that aren't endorsing Trump that would normally be endorsing a conservative presidential candidate. I don't think it's silly that some previous Trump voters could be pushed away by the fact that very few from his term in office are endorsing him. Pence talks shit about him, so does Milley and Mattis and many other big republican names. Trump is much better at making enemies than he is at making friends, and that's coming home to roost. No single endorsement means that much, but they do add up.
-The Musk money was helpful, but the Musk cringe factor may have been unhelpful. When it comes to Musk, Vance, and many of those surrounding Trump they just don't have the inherent charisma that Trump has, and can sometimes be more detrimental to the public face of the Trump campaign.
This isn't really meant to convince anybody, just kinda my take on what's been going on in this last month of the campaign. I'll take one dig at Trump and just say that this is a crisis of his own making.
eheathgonna be hilarious when a bunch of hillbillies come out of the woodwork, try to cancel election certifications and protest that the election was rigged and unfair. Cant wait.
you're a clown if you think people pushing for no voter ID or ID at all aren't trying to cheat. no beef type shit I'm just saying.
SteezyYeeteryou're a clown if you think people pushing for no voter ID or ID at all aren't trying to cheat. no beef type shit I'm just saying.
Steezyyeeter's posts are a great argument for restricting voting rights behind a competency test. I'm against competency tests but man...it's compelling.
LonelySteezyyeeter's posts are a great argument for restricting voting rights behind a competency test. I'm against competency tests but man...it's compelling.
im not against competency tests at all. not sure why you think I wouldn't pass one lol. also not sure why you trust politicians, you're a fucking retard (incoming mod power complex)
SteezyYeeterim not against competency tests at all. not sure why you think I wouldn't pass one lol. also not sure why you trust politicians, you're a fucking retard (incoming mod power complex)
I'm against competency tests because I don't trust politicians to take a right and mess with it. You'd understand that if you could pass a constitutional competency test. Wouldn't you be the one trusting whatever politicians are in power to write the competency test? What if it was a bunch of leftists in power? I wouldn't want that to happen to one of my rights. I wouldn't want them creating the test.
I get it, it's a complicated concept. And that's why I will defend your right to vote even if you couldn't pass the test. I value all Americans, not just the ones who agree with me, or the ones who are of average or higher iq
**This post was edited on Nov 4th 2024 at 10:45:33pm
LonelySteezyyeeter's posts are a great argument for restricting voting rights behind a competency test. I'm against competency tests but man...it's compelling.
Here's an eye-opening example of where this country is at: people are willing to vote for Trump just so that he wins a fair election instead of trying to take a lost one by force, and others thinking it is totally cool to elect an unnominated candidate who imprisoned other African Americans for petty drug crimes.
**This post was edited on Nov 4th 2024 at 11:05:37pm
LonelyGiven the Selzer poll and what some rogue cameramen have been showing (uncharacteristically low turn out at his rallies), it seems that things are looking that way.
Haven't talked much about the election, but I've got some thoughts that nobody asked for. I'll try to keep it observational.
-What's both surprising and not surprising is Trump's slide backward in the past 10 days. Trump didn't really do or say anything that is outside of the norm for Trump. What happened was that people around him said stupid things, and his campaign made some stupid decisions. I'm not going to pearl clutch over Tony's joke, but damn that is not the sort of shit a campaign (That is doing historically well with the Hispanic vote) should be clearing a week or so before an election. But Trump can't get the people who don't make those mistakes, because he's either fired or talked shit about all but those most loyal to him, and has distanced the people that would be good for his campaign as such.
-Trump is all about energy, and homie has not had a lot of it lately. I can't blame the guy. He's old, occasionally getting shot at, and facing prison time. If Trump doesn't have the energy and/or the scandal of the week to talk about it's just hours of ranting and I think that for some of his supporters that's getting old. It's not likely that those folks will vote for Kamala, but it may be more likely that they vote independent or not at all. In an election this close you can't afford that.
-Kamala's campaign has lost a lot of energy since the presidential debate win, and Vance definitely beat out Walz in the VP debate, but damn if it is not death by a thousand cut's for trump with the endorsements Kamala is getting. There is some popular figure almost daily endorsing Kamala and the only thing that stuck out recently for Trump was Logan fucking Paul. Another controversial figure.
On top of this Trump is facing all of these Non-Endorsements as well. These are folks that aren't endorsing Trump that would normally be endorsing a conservative presidential candidate. I don't think it's silly that some previous Trump voters could be pushed away by the fact that very few from his term in office are endorsing him. Pence talks shit about him, so does Milley and Mattis and many other big republican names. Trump is much better at making enemies than he is at making friends, and that's coming home to roost. No single endorsement means that much, but they do add up.
-The Musk money was helpful, but the Musk cringe factor may have been unhelpful. When it comes to Musk, Vance, and many of those surrounding Trump they just don't have the inherent charisma that Trump has, and can sometimes be more detrimental to the public face of the Trump campaign.
This isn't really meant to convince anybody, just kinda my take on what's been going on in this last month of the campaign. I'll take one dig at Trump and just say that this is a crisis of his own making.
Need to remember though that trumps campaign in 2016 also appeared to lose steam come election time because of the access Hollywood tapes. Anything could still happen. I think people are more burnt out of the election season then to simply not vot for the guy. Kamala events have also been small in recent days or half the size they usually are because 70 million people have already voted. Also i bet a lot of the big fans of either campaign are getting nervous and feeling vulnerable and would rather wait then attend. Was a packed crowd just now at trumps grand rapids rally that kicked off at midnight but a lot of people left after seeing trump because it was late. Most reactions of people leaving have been excitement to see the guy but not the time to listen to a 2 hour rally. When i get nervous i tend to take it easy and i bet millions are feeling the same. Its not unusual to see small crowds right before election day.
SlushSeasonYeah. Every other country does it, but somehow it's racist to require an ID for anything in the US
Voter IDs would definitely keep some citizens from voting. For example my dumb ass forgot my license was expiring this past weekend. I remembered on Thursday but I just can't walk into the DMV and walk out the same day with a new license. I had to send a form in and wait for them to mail back a card that will then allow me to go renew my license, usually takes 10-15 days to get. Luckily my job is flexible so when I do get the card I can go in whenever and renew it. A lot of people don't work jobs with flexible schedules that would allow them to get to the DMV during their normal hours or can't afford to miss work to go get one. If you live in a city and don't drive this is even less of a priority.
Also if you grew up in an unstable household you might not even have access to the documents to get an ID to begin with, which makes the whole process even more difficult.
I'm not against voter IDs if they will shut everyone the fuck up about voter fraud, but it will 100% keep some citizens from voting especially if processes to get IDs aren't improved.
TOAST.Voter IDs would definitely keep some citizens from voting. For example my dumb ass forgot my license was expiring this past weekend. I remembered on Thursday but I just can't walk into the DMV and walk out the same day with a new license. I had to send a form in and wait for them to mail back a card that will then allow me to go renew my license, usually takes 10-15 days to get. Luckily my job is flexible so when I do get the card I can go in whenever and renew it. A lot of people don't work jobs with flexible schedules that would allow them to get to the DMV during their normal hours or can't afford to miss work to go get one. If you live in a city and don't drive this is even less of a priority.
Also if you grew up in an unstable household you might not even have access to the documents to get an ID to begin with, which makes the whole process even more difficult.
I'm not against voter IDs if they will shut everyone the fuck up about voter fraud, but it will 100% keep some citizens from voting especially if processes to get IDs aren't improved.
IMO the problem is that it’s too hard to get an ID. Let’s fix that. The way that democrats constantly dismiss republicans voter fraud concerns only plays into their narrative. If people are concerned about fraud, even if it’s founded in misinformation, we should take it seriously. I want everybody to be as confident as possible in the election. When I vote in Canada (dual citizen) I need ID, so why is the USA incapable of doing the same?
Apart from AIPAC, rich folks and multi-national corporations vetting candidates in primaries, we have zero say over who is selected as 'President.' If nobody voted,
or if everyone voted for Bob next door cause he makes a mean potato salad, electors would select someone else, and CONGRESS would have final say.
Electors select EO for US inc. who are nominated either by legislature or party corps., and though these electors can pledge fealty to the party front runner, constitutionally, they do not have to vote for him/her, which can cause wrath and severe reprecussions, such as a 500-2000 dollar fine in some states. Ohh noo.
Half the states in America require electors to vote for the candidate the party has nominated, or they have to sign pledges. Though not always. Oklahoma holds out a fine of $1,000; it's $500 in North Carolina, though that doesn't stop an elector from voting faithless, as it's called.
So the only way you can rig federal elections (because your vote never counted for anything) is to stack the electors, or pay them off. Which, funny enough, is what Drumpf
was accused of doing.
Opponents of electoral system argue the potential for an undemocratic outcome—in which the winner of the popular vote loses the electoral vote—the bias against third parties and independent candidates, the disincentive for voter turnout in states where one of the parties is clearly dominant, and the possibility of a “faithless” elector who votes for a candidate other than the one to whom he is pledged make the Electoral College outmoded and undesirable. Many opponents advocate eliminating the Electoral College altogether and replacing it with a direct popular vote. Their position has been buttressed by public opinion polls, which regularly show that Americans prefer a popular vote to the Electoral College system, though demographics in sparsely populated areas still support an electoral system, contending they would be drowned out by concentrated population regions.
Other possible reforms include a district plan, similar to those used in Maine and Nebraska, which would allocate electoral votes by legislative district rather than at the statewide level [I like this], which would benefit sparsely populated areas; and a proportional plan, which would assign electoral votes on the basis of the percentage of popular votes a candidate received.
Get out and vote comrade. It doesn't count for anything in FEDERAL selections. State and local town elections are different.
That said, I think Drumpf is entertaining, and Harris is a little scary but is harsh on ghetto crime. Both are cousins and descendants of Sabbatai Zevi. JD Vance's wife
is a close cousin of Harris too.
I like blackmailed RFK, but there's no way he's convincing Drumpf to take fluoride out of water supply.
LonelyGiven the Selzer poll and what some rogue cameramen have been showing (uncharacteristically low turn out at his rallies), it seems that things are looking that way.
Haven't talked much about the election, but I've got some thoughts that nobody asked for. I'll try to keep it observational.
-What's both surprising and not surprising is Trump's slide backward in the past 10 days. Trump didn't really do or say anything that is outside of the norm for Trump. What happened was that people around him said stupid things, and his campaign made some stupid decisions. I'm not going to pearl clutch over Tony's joke, but damn that is not the sort of shit a campaign (That is doing historically well with the Hispanic vote) should be clearing a week or so before an election. But Trump can't get the people who don't make those mistakes, because he's either fired or talked shit about all but those most loyal to him, and has distanced the people that would be good for his campaign as such.
-Trump is all about energy, and homie has not had a lot of it lately. I can't blame the guy. He's old, occasionally getting shot at, and facing prison time. If Trump doesn't have the energy and/or the scandal of the week to talk about it's just hours of ranting and I think that for some of his supporters that's getting old. It's not likely that those folks will vote for Kamala, but it may be more likely that they vote independent or not at all. In an election this close you can't afford that.
-Kamala's campaign has lost a lot of energy since the presidential debate win, and Vance definitely beat out Walz in the VP debate, but damn if it is not death by a thousand cut's for trump with the endorsements Kamala is getting. There is some popular figure almost daily endorsing Kamala and the only thing that stuck out recently for Trump was Logan fucking Paul. Another controversial figure.
On top of this Trump is facing all of these Non-Endorsements as well. These are folks that aren't endorsing Trump that would normally be endorsing a conservative presidential candidate. I don't think it's silly that some previous Trump voters could be pushed away by the fact that very few from his term in office are endorsing him. Pence talks shit about him, so does Milley and Mattis and many other big republican names. Trump is much better at making enemies than he is at making friends, and that's coming home to roost. No single endorsement means that much, but they do add up.
-The Musk money was helpful, but the Musk cringe factor may have been unhelpful. When it comes to Musk, Vance, and many of those surrounding Trump they just don't have the inherent charisma that Trump has, and can sometimes be more detrimental to the public face of the Trump campaign.
This isn't really meant to convince anybody, just kinda my take on what's been going on in this last month of the campaign. I'll take one dig at Trump and just say that this is a crisis of his own making.
yeah. if he wins, all his dumbass followers will go apeshit too. his hate speech and lies (“hE sPeAkS iN hYpErBoLe”) will be validated. this will justify radical behaviors and bleed into everyday life at your office, at concerts, at the ski slopes, etc. hate crimes went way up after he was elected because people felt it was acceptable.
policies aside, i think its a bigger risk to elect trump due to his behavior and mannerisms and their direct impact on people’s day to day lives
eheathYeah dumbasses gonna do dumbass things, seems like the dumbasses would do less if trump wins.
all I'm saying is that no matter what the outcome of the election is, there is going to be a vast population of the country that will be upset. I'm not saying that one side will be more upset than the other, but I know for sure that if Trump were to win, people who voted Democratic aren't going to just be singing kumbaya, nor is that the case for if Kamala were to win. just there is a reason why this country is so divided, and a large cause for it is people only seeing the completely unreasonable reactions, which just isn't how most people react. but no matter what, the side that loses isn't going to be happy about the outcome.
LonelyI'm against competency tests because I don't trust politicians to take a right and mess with it. You'd understand that if you could pass a constitutional competency test. Wouldn't you be the one trusting whatever politicians are in power to write the competency test? What if it was a bunch of leftists in power? I wouldn't want that to happen to one of my rights. I wouldn't want them creating the test.
I get it, it's a complicated concept. And that's why I will defend your right to vote even if you couldn't pass the test. I value all Americans, not just the ones who agree with me, or the ones who are of average or higher iq
**This post was edited on Nov 4th 2024 at 10:45:33pm
yeah i didn't really mean it like that it's just ridiculous you think i wouldn't pass any competency test ever.
hb_lazall I'm saying is that no matter what the outcome of the election is, there is going to be a vast population of the country that will be upset. I'm not saying that one side will be more upset than the other, but I know for sure that if Trump were to win, people who voted Democratic aren't going to just be singing kumbaya, nor is that the case for if Kamala were to win. just there is a reason why this country is so divided, and a large cause for it is people only seeing the completely unreasonable reactions, which just isn't how most people react. but no matter what, the side that loses isn't going to be happy about the outcome.
lol ya dude the dems are definitely going to cause a ruckus XD
hb_lazall I'm saying is that no matter what the outcome of the election is, there is going to be a vast population of the country that will be upset. I'm not saying that one side will be more upset than the other, but I know for sure that if Trump were to win, people who voted Democratic aren't going to just be singing kumbaya, nor is that the case for if Kamala were to win. just there is a reason why this country is so divided, and a large cause for it is people only seeing the completely unreasonable reactions, which just isn't how most people react. but no matter what, the side that loses isn't going to be happy about the outcome.
Groundbreaking take right here. You've really opened my mind.
hb_laznot tryna open anyone's mind. just trying to clarify what I meant when I said that It goes both ways. read maybe?
his point is that your take was bad and didn't really make any sense.
when trump won, people prostest peacefully across the country (world really) for womens rights.
when trump lost, his ultra maga dumbass brainwashed band of hillbillies tried to overturn the election by storming the capitol during a procedural process of certifying the election. not to mention all of the other illegal/dumb shit that happened post election and the fact that there is a large amount of people who still think it was a stolen election... it doesnt really end with these dumbasses.
eheathhis point is that your take was bad and didn't really make any sense.
when trump won, people prostest peacefully across the country (world really) for womens rights.
when trump lost, his ultra maga dumbass brainwashed band of hillbillies tried to overturn the election by storming the capitol during a procedural process of certifying the election. not to mention all of the other illegal/dumb shit that happened post election and the fact that there is a large amount of people who still think it was a stolen election... it doesnt really end with these dumbasses.
you tell me who is really the problem, i'll wait.
Sorry bud but that’s a straight up lie.
In 2016 there were riots that lasted up to 2 weeks in some areas. Cities like Portland were the worst. Endless vandalism to shops, endless citizens assaulted, cop cars set on fire, etc, etc. All this is documented if you do a google search. We also remember the news footage showing retail stores in many cities boarding up their windows in 2020. That was mainly due to the non stop rioting that year though.
Im not a Trump or Harris fan, I’m just pointing out the facts.
eheathhis point is that your take was bad and didn't really make any sense.
when trump won, people prostest peacefully across the country (world really) for womens rights.
when trump lost, his ultra maga dumbass brainwashed band of hillbillies tried to overturn the election by storming the capitol during a procedural process of certifying the election. not to mention all of the other illegal/dumb shit that happened post election and the fact that there is a large amount of people who still think it was a stolen election... it doesnt really end with these dumbasses.
you tell me who is really the problem, i'll wait.
not saying that they are both equal. One side is inherently worse at dealing with the truth. it's pretty obvious what side ur on, but I never said to whom I support, u kinda just assumed that I'm a trump supporter. nothing I have said has made any side look worse or better, just playing devil's advocate.
eheathhis point is that your take was bad and didn't really make any sense.
when trump won, people prostest peacefully across the country (world really) for womens rights.
when trump lost, his ultra maga dumbass brainwashed band of hillbillies tried to overturn the election by storming the capitol during a procedural process of certifying the election. not to mention all of the other illegal/dumb shit that happened post election and the fact that there is a large amount of people who still think it was a stolen election... it doesnt really end with these dumbasses.
hb_laznot saying that they are both equal. One side is inherently worse at dealing with the truth. it's pretty obvious what side ur on, but I never said to whom I support, u kinda just assumed that I'm a trump supporter. nothing I have said has made any side look worse or better, just playing devil's advocate.
ya the side that tried to overturn the election is the worst side. good thing they were too stupid to realize that storming a procedural ceremony actually wouldn't do anything.
Playing devil's advocate @eheath - it's a well-known fact that your government used lies as a pretence to invade the Middle East. If the baseline is that the government will lie in order to achieve a foreign policy agenda, why would you assume that elements of the government didn't do some trickery to get the "preferred" candidate (Biden) into office?
GSRPlaying devil's advocate @eheath - it's a well-known fact that your government used lies as a pretence to invade the Middle East. If the baseline is that the government will lie in order to achieve a foreign policy agenda, why would you assume that elements of the government didn't do some trickery to get the "preferred" candidate (Biden) into office?
GSRPlaying devil's advocate @eheath - it's a well-known fact that your government used lies as a pretence to invade the Middle East. If the baseline is that the government will lie in order to achieve a foreign policy agenda, why would you assume that elements of the government didn't do some trickery to get the "preferred" candidate (Biden) into office?
eheathlol ya dude the dems are definitely going to cause a ruckus XD
everyone’s gonna cause a ruckus, whoever loses is gonna have a meltdown. at least democrats don’t have a hyper-parasocial relationship with their candidate.
snowfinderLet me guess 911 was an inside job too, right?
of all the conspiracy theories, 9/11 being an inside job is easily the most compelling to me. i steer clear of conspiracy theories and don’t even think that there’s intelligent life forms capable of communicating with earth. but 9/11 is a seemingly an unprovoked attack by a group that obviously knew they wouldn’t have the means to defend against the US. everything about it from al qaeda to it being an inside job are so far fetched and hard to wrap my brain around. like there is absolutely zero benefit to al qaeda in doing such. they weren’t gaining money or power or land etc. we are supposed to believe they did this for their love a spreading terror?? yeah, okay. idk what to believe but holy shit the whole thing is a tragedy.
GSRPlaying devil's advocate @eheath - it's a well-known fact that your government used lies as a pretence to invade the Middle East. If the baseline is that the government will lie in order to achieve a foreign policy agenda, why would you assume that elements of the government didn't do some trickery to get the "preferred" candidate (Biden) into office?
lmao how did we get here? i love how everyone outside of the USA actually entertain the idea of an election being rigged. thats not being the devil's advocate, you're being a conspiracy theorist.
GSRI think both candidates are a bunch a baloney. I'm still salty about Bernie getting shafted by Dems. He would have actually made your country better.
thanks for your opinion about our country, we do not care.
