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Bent 120 vs Jeffrey 118

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IntoTheVoid
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I've been looking between these two main skis as a powder only ski but can't really decide which I should pick up. With the bent it looks like such a playful ski that can really be thrown around but I'm worried about it in the chop since it's so light, also I've heard not great things about build quality in the bent series. But with the Jeffrey 118 it looks like that something that will go through everything, but I'm worried about it not really being as playful and not be able to throw it around and land tricks off of it. Does anyone have experience with either of the skis? How do they do?

Thanks!
Jul 8 2024 11:33PM
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jumpman101
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I have the Jeff 100 and 108 in a 186 and looking to snag the 118 when I take a trip west next year. I have the Jeff 116 that’s gonna need replaced but it’s been a solid ski. They aren’t as playful as a magnus 110 but you definitely can get them to be playful.
Jul 9 2024 5:25AM
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LowPressureSki
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If its mainly for a powder ski, I don't think you can really go wrong with either. The Bents are great. There's a reason why most of the Atomic Team ski them
Jul 9 2024 8:40AM
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SurfinCow
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They are both great skis, but depends on what you wanna do with them. The bents I would say are a bit more playful but probably less stable in the chop as a result. Both skis have similar mount points around -3/4 and similar rocker profiles. The bents have a much shorter turning radius so they will feel much quicker and easier to turn especially at lower speeds.
I haven’t had any issues with durability on my bents after two seasons totalling probably around 100 days. Ran into a tree and split the tip open , but I epoxied it back and haven’t had any issues, honestly a pretty bomb proof ski for how light they are. On3ps are def more durable overall though, bought some woodsman 100s for daily driving next season because I was tired of riding fat skis on crud days.
bent 120s are probably the most fun ski I have ever owned though and have a crazy good time slashing and buttering and spinning off everything when the snow is good. And honestly once you learn how to ski them they can hold their own well enough in chop. I’ve laid some pretty mean turns on fresh groomers.

More jibby, responsive and playful - bents
More stable and better for high speeds - Jeff’s
Jul 9 2024 11:24AM
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snowfinder
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May I suggest an alternative, https://heritagelabskis.com/products/hb122
Jul 9 2024 11:28AM
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IntoTheVoid
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SurfinCowThey are both great skis, but depends on what you wanna do with them. The bents I would say are a bit more playful but probably less stable in the chop as a result. Both skis have similar mount points around -3/4 and similar rocker profiles. The bents have a much shorter turning radius so they will feel much quicker and easier to turn especially at lower speeds.
I haven’t had any issues with durability on my bents after two seasons totalling probably around 100 days. Ran into a tree and split the tip open , but I epoxied it back and haven’t had any issues, honestly a pretty bomb proof ski for how light they are. On3ps are def more durable overall though, bought some woodsman 100s for daily driving next season because I was tired of riding fat skis on crud days.
bent 120s are probably the most fun ski I have ever owned though and have a crazy good time slashing and buttering and spinning off everything when the snow is good. And honestly once you learn how to ski them they can hold their own well enough in chop. I’ve laid some pretty mean turns on fresh groomers.

More jibby, responsive and playful - bents
More stable and better for high speeds - Jeff’s


Personally, I would be using them as a ski that would be used for a lot of slashing, tree skiing, pillow lines and some cliffs. I like to go fast and really want something that wont falter in the chop. Seems like the bents might be the better option for me.
Jul 9 2024 12:51PM
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IntoTheVoid
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snowfinderMay I suggest an alternative, https://heritagelabskis.com/products/hb122


I've never heard of Heritage Lab, anyways, they are a bit expensive. On the Jeffrey I get pro deals and on the bent, my local shop sells them for pretty cheap at the end of ski season, also I get pro deals on them too.
Jul 9 2024 12:52PM
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snowfinder
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IntoTheVoidI've never heard of Heritage Lab, anyways, they are a bit expensive. On the Jeffrey I get pro deals and on the bent, my local shop sells them for pretty cheap at the end of ski season, also I get pro deals on them too.


It's a one man show that re-creates the best skis of the past, thats the Hellbent model and they rip. If you get pro deals then thats the better deal.
Jul 9 2024 1:18PM
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LowPressureSki
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IntoTheVoidPersonally, I would be using them as a ski that would be used for a lot of slashing, tree skiing, pillow lines and some cliffs. I like to go fast and really want something that wont falter in the chop. Seems like the bents might be the better option for me.


I've been skiing the RMU YLE118 the last couple years for exactly this. Whipping them around in the trees and opening them up in Spankys (Blackcomb) One of my all time favourite skis. Also the 4FRNT Hoji Renegades are in the same category for me
Jul 9 2024 2:05PM
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BallClapper
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Rossignol sender free 118. Absolute tank of a ski. Will plow through absolutely anything and go damn fast while doing so, float is insane as well. Still a playful ski though. I ski the 110 and even in 2 ft of blower pow floated straight to the top. Even at -1 tc and too short.
Jul 9 2024 11:05PM
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jca
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The jeffs will be a way better allround ski. Bents are good in powder but are just too light and soft for anything else.
Jul 10 2024 9:50AM
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kid-kapow
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IntoTheVoidPersonally, I would be using them as a ski that would be used for a lot of slashing, tree skiing, pillow lines and some cliffs. I like to go fast and really want something that wont falter in the chop. Seems like the bents might be the better option for me.

jeffs will outperform bents in chop by a considerable margin. They weigh something like 500gr more a ski, which is a world of difference in chop - just massive. There is no secret sauce in the Bent's construction to negate their relative lack of mass. I would 1000% go for the damp construction and increased weight of the Jeffs over BC120s for skiing chop, or hell, any resort riding (unless all you do is ski untracked, super dry / light powder).

To be honest - I do not understand why so many people ski BC120s as their resort pow skis. I am sure that they are fun, light, poppy and easy to spin with - but their lack of mass make you do all of the work soaking up skied out snow or trying to punch through variable. A balanced / progressively mounted ski like the Jeff will be nearly as easy to play around on, but will ski difficult snow a whole lot better simply by being heavier and having a damper construction. The denser / wetter the snow become the bigger the difference. That is not to say that the BC120 is not a great ski, but keep in mind that most of the pro skiers you see on them are so far beyond us mere mortals that they are basically doing a different sport than us, and could do it on snowlerblades.

The more apt comparison would be between a Bent and Jeff118tour - they should be fairly similar and variations of the same type of ski. I would assume that BC120s might be a bit stronger on piste (due to their cores) while the Jeff118tour should be a tab bit looser and damper.
Jul 10 2024 1:08PM
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IntoTheVoid
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BallClapperRossignol sender free 118. Absolute tank of a ski. Will plow through absolutely anything and go damn fast while doing so, float is insane as well. Still a playful ski though. I ski the 110 and even in 2 ft of blower pow floated straight to the top. Even at -1 tc and too short.


Currently I have the Rossignol Sender 104ti and it's a daily driver but just can't float that well with it sometimes but love it for charging and other things. When you bought the Sender 110 did you manage to get it for a deal. I was looking at the 118 but can't find deals anywhere.
Jul 10 2024 2:33PM
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jumpman101
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https://shop.on3pskis.com/products/factory-finds?variant=45122216952033

A factory find for 499
IntoTheVoidCurrently I have the Rossignol Sender 104ti and it's a daily driver but just can't float that well with it sometimes but love it for charging and other things. When you bought the Sender 110 did you manage to get it for a deal. I was looking at the 118 but can't find deals anywhere.
Jul 10 2024 3:16PM
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kid-kapow
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I have both Sender Free 110s and BlackOps118. They ski soft snow exceedingly well and especially the BO118 demolish chop/variable, but there are def floatier pow skis out there. Their strengths are not in out and out float imho, but being loose and fun off piste. They are more in the snow type skis than float to the top.

I recently bought a pair of stock Jeff118s as well, and their shape / flex pattern suggest that they should outfloat the BO118s a bit. Their flex pattern is slightly rounder, they have less camber underfoot and more splay out front that rises sooner. They seem dialed. Keep in mind that 186 J118s (and all other remaining jeffs) are on sale over at on3pskis.com for 550 + shipping.

SF110s are good in soft snow, but I do find that their strength is shallower soft snow - not out and out powder. I think Jeff108s should float better, just like I think SF110s should outperform Jeff108s on piste (due to their core and titanal underfoot).

Both Rossis are freaking amazing skis. I will happily recommend either. BO118s (in the old construction with rubber tips) or SenderFree118 (the new construction - airtips + rubber moved further down into the ski) are both great skis for skiers that want something progressive, playful (under strong skiers) and that destroy chop.
Jul 10 2024 3:26PM
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stinky_cheese
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snowfinderIt's a one man show that re-creates the best skis of the past, thats the Hellbent model and they rip. If you get pro deals then thats the better deal.


Do you know which other models from the past heritage has sought to re-create? would be super interested to know. Heard somewhere that one of their backcountry models was modeled after the Volkl BMT? not totally sure though
Jul 11 2024 1:01AM
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snowfinder
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stinky_cheeseDo you know which other models from the past heritage has sought to re-create? would be super interested to know. Heard somewhere that one of their backcountry models was modeled after the Volkl BMT? not totally sure though


Not to sure, best bet check out the website and see what there is.
Jul 11 2024 10:26AM
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IntoTheVoid
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I’ll look into the black ops and the sender free. The only bad thing is all the sales are only in 186 and I’m 181 so it might be a bit hard for me to find proper sized ones.
kid-kapowI have both Sender Free 110s and BlackOps118. They ski soft snow exceedingly well and especially the BO118 demolish chop/variable, but there are def floatier pow skis out there. Their strengths are not in out and out float imho, but being loose and fun off piste. They are more in the snow type skis than float to the top.

I recently bought a pair of stock Jeff118s as well, and their shape / flex pattern suggest that they should outfloat the BO118s a bit. Their flex pattern is slightly rounder, they have less camber underfoot and more splay out front that rises sooner. They seem dialed. Keep in mind that 186 J118s (and all other remaining jeffs) are on sale over at on3pskis.com for 550 + shipping.

SF110s are good in soft snow, but I do find that their strength is shallower soft snow - not out and out powder. I think Jeff108s should float better, just like I think SF110s should outperform Jeff108s on piste (due to their core and titanal underfoot).

Both Rossis are freaking amazing skis. I will happily recommend either. BO118s (in the old construction with rubber tips) or SenderFree118 (the new construction - airtips + rubber moved further down into the ski) are both great skis for skiers that want something progressive, playful (under strong skiers) and that destroy chop.
Jul 11 2024 12:57PM
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Yukon_Cornelius
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IntoTheVoidI’ll look into the black ops and the sender free. The only bad thing is all the sales are only in 186 and I’m 181 so it might be a bit hard for me to find proper sized ones.


If youre ~5’10” or taller I’d be looking at mid 180’s on either one anyway. Bent comes in 184 and the Jeff is 186, so same range.

It looks like they cost about the same too rn, with the Jeff on sale being a little cheaper.

The price is usually the biggest “con” for ON3P skis, and it looks like they’re leveled for at least the time being.

Everyone who’s ridden one or the other is just going to recommend their ski, but there is undeniably an objective difference in quality of those two skis, and fwiw, you’re likely not going to see Atomic’s owner/CEO replying to your questions and messages directly on NS or socials.
Jul 11 2024 1:35PM
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KimJongTrill
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IntoTheVoidI’ll look into the black ops and the sender free. The only bad thing is all the sales are only in 186 and I’m 181 so it might be a bit hard for me to find proper sized ones.


How tall are you? (sorry if I missed it)

The 118 skis a bit shorter than the 108. Sizing up to the 186 likely wouldn't be an issue. They ski pretty short.
Jul 11 2024 2:12PM
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IntoTheVoid
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Currently 5’11 150-155 pounds. Still growing as I turned 15 in June.
KimJongTrillHow tall are you? (sorry if I missed it)

The 118 skis a bit shorter than the 108. Sizing up to the 186 likely wouldn't be an issue. They ski pretty short.
Jul 11 2024 3:11PM
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KimJongTrill
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IntoTheVoidCurrently 5’11 150-155 pounds. Still growing as I turned 15 in June.


I think a 186 would be the move. They last, and you'll quickly grow into them. I do have a suspicion that they would fit you well already. My buddy is 5'7-5'8, 160, and has no issues on the 186.
Jul 11 2024 3:15PM
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Session
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My only comment to the OP is that when shit gets funky on Hood, the bents fold like a wet paper towel. The Jeffrey will keep trucking through.
Jul 11 2024 4:29PM
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IntoTheVoid
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Alright, thanks for the help. I’ll go with the 186.
KimJongTrillI think a 186 would be the move. They last, and you'll quickly grow into them. I do have a suspicion that they would fit you well already. My buddy is 5'7-5'8, 160, and has no issues on the 186.
Jul 11 2024 6:01PM
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IntoTheVoid
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Yeah, it’s a bit pricy but I also have pro deals. I was talking with my local shop and they said that going with the Jeffrey’s would be a good idea but then getting maybe a lighter ski when I stop growing and when I have more power to push through the snow.
Yukon_CorneliusIf youre ~5’10” or taller I’d be looking at mid 180’s on either one anyway. Bent comes in 184 and the Jeff is 186, so same range.

It looks like they cost about the same too rn, with the Jeff on sale being a little cheaper.

The price is usually the biggest “con” for ON3P skis, and it looks like they’re leveled for at least the time being.

Everyone who’s ridden one or the other is just going to recommend their ski, but there is undeniably an objective difference in quality of those two skis, and fwiw, you’re likely not going to see Atomic’s owner/CEO replying to your questions and messages directly on NS or socials.
Jul 11 2024 6:03PM
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IntoTheVoid
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I am an Oregon local but these will most likely not be used at hood. These will be really a powder only ski and I only go to hood during the summer for park and medical training. But thanks for the advice, the bents seem like they would be a great backcountry ski though.
SessionMy only comment to the OP is that when shit gets funky on Hood, the bents fold like a wet paper towel. The Jeffrey will keep trucking through.
Jul 11 2024 6:05PM
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BallClapper
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IntoTheVoidCurrently I have the Rossignol Sender 104ti and it's a daily driver but just can't float that well with it sometimes but love it for charging and other things. When you bought the Sender 110 did you manage to get it for a deal. I was looking at the 118 but can't find deals anywhere.


I work in the industry. On my b2b the blackops 118 were going for $250. Was tempted to get some but didn't.
Jul 11 2024 6:44PM
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-eREKTion-
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LowPressureSkiIf it’s mainly for a powder ski, I don't think you can really go wrong with either. The Bents are great. There's a reason why most of the Atomic Team ski them

Contractual obligation?
Jul 11 2024 9:54PM
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kid-kapow
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BallClapperI work in the industry. On my b2b the blackops 118 were going for $250. Was tempted to get some but didn't.

yikes - that is quite the steal. They are an absolute steal at 250 - amazingly small investment for a good time guarantee :)

The current BO118 is one of the best resort powder skis ever made imho if you like progressive skis that can absolutely obliterate variable and be schmeared all over the place and then do mach schnell gs carves back to the lift.

Jeff118s at the current pricing is a very good deal as well - impeccable soft snow credentials for a ski whose build quality will make them truck for years to come :)
Jul 12 2024 1:07PM
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IntoTheVoid
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Just got them. They are coming tomorrow :)
Jul 12 2024 7:31PM
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BallClapper
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Rode them for a while but once I tried the rossies I was hooked.
-eREKTion-Contractual obligation?
Jul 12 2024 8:43PM
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kid-kapow
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IntoTheVoidJust got them. They are coming tomorrow :)


nice! Congrats on new shred sticks!
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