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So what’s everyone expecting? I truly expect a shit show honestly. Turning it into a drinking game. Every time an old guy says dumb shit I’m taking a drink.
ZenyattaKickSomeone get George Bush Jr. back in office plz, funniest President of time idc what anyone says
Hmm I despise Trump so much that I’ll have to vote for a dementia patient in a failed attempt to keep him out of office but I actually think Trump is hilarious and has a professional stand up’s comedic ability and delivery
foolmetwiceHmm I despise Trump so much that I’ll have to vote for a dementia patient in a failed attempt to keep him out of office but I actually think Trump is hilarious and has a professional stand up’s comedic ability and delivery
You don't even know who you're voting for. Biden is clearly not the one making decisions, so if you vote for him you simply have no clue who it actually is
Someone forgot to give Biden his amphetamines before he went on stage. No wonder the rest of the world considers America a laughingstock, but has to smirk behind your backs because of your stupid MIC.
PacificRimJobWell, when you say non-scientific shit like he says, and legitimately had a worm in your brain, then yeah... youre kinda a crackpot.
Trump and Biden aren't as much straight crackpots... Trump is just an old, sociopathic grifter who only wants the job for clout, and Biden is like 2 years older than Trump - but at least he's trying to ACTUALLY bring back manufacturing jobs.
If you think Biden is actually capable of doing anything in his current state you're the cracckpot my dude. He's senile. He's been in government 50 years. He's exactly what's wrong with our political system.
VTshredder69If you think Biden is actually capable of doing anything in his current state you're the cracckpot my dude. He's senile. He's been in government 50 years. He's exactly what's wrong with our political system.
You're out of your mind
Theyre both senile old men. How the fuck are you saying Trump isn't just as senile and idiotic? These guys are 80+ years old. Both are years beyond retired.
PacificRimJobTheyre both senile old men. How the fuck are you saying Trump isn't just as senile and idiotic? These guys are 80+ years old. Both are years beyond retired.
You couldn't tell any difference between them? Cognitively Biden is much worse
PacificRimJobTheyre both senile old men. How the fuck are you saying Trump isn't just as senile and idiotic? These guys are 80+ years old. Both are years beyond retired.
Maybe because he can form actual sentences and he doesn't have parkinsons?
Or maybe i just prefer people who don't get rich from politics who sit in office for 50 years and do little for the country.
VTshredder69Maybe because he can form actual sentences and he doesn't have parkinsons?
Or maybe i just prefer people who don't get rich from politics who sit in office for 50 years and do little for the country.
They all get rich from politics, your brand of choice is no different. Sounds like you would be for anti-corruption legislation, shame neither party would go for it.
PoikenzThey all get rich from politics, your brand of choice is no different. Sounds like you would be for anti-corruption legislation, shame neither party would go for it.
Trump didn't get rich from politics though. He was rich before politics by ripping people off.
PoikenzBeing rich before having a political career doesn't mean that he isn't profiting from being in politics (he was/ is, incase you are misinformed).
Trump has faced massive legal troubles simply because he entered politics, and it has hurt him financially. You really think they would be going after him this hard if he had stayed out of politics? Lol, no
PoikenzBeing rich before having a political career doesn't mean that he isn't profiting from being in politics (he was/ is, incase you are misinformed).
You sound like "orange Man Bad" type of person. He did a hell of a lot more for me than Biden ever has.
milk_manTrump has faced massive legal troubles simply because he entered politics, and it has hurt him financially. You really think they would be going after him this hard if he had stayed out of politics? Lol, no
But it hasn't, his net worth is presumably the highest it has ever been (6-7 b according to bloomberg), even if he has to pay out half a billion. White collar crime always pays off, doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
VTshredder69You sound like "orange Man Bad" type of person. He did a hell of a lot more for me than Biden ever has.
Sorry, you better get ready for another 4 years.
I think you are just discounting me because I am not blindly agreeing with you on everything. I do agree that bribery and corruption in politics are a problem and people shouldn't be in politics for a monetary gain, but to serve the people. I do not agree that "bad orange man" is better than other politicians when he is also profiting in a similar manner. I am not in support of either, just pointing out your bias.
Let me ask again, wouldn't it be nice if there was a candidate who was anti-corruption?
PoikenzBut it hasn't, his net worth is presumably the highest it has ever been (6-7 b according to bloomberg), even if he has to pay out half a billion. White collar crime always pays off, doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
I think you are just discounting me because I am not blindly agreeing with you on everything. I do agree that bribery and corruption in politics are a problem and people shouldn't be in politics for a monetary gain, but to serve the people. I do not agree that "bad orange man" is better than other politicians when he is also profiting in a similar manner. I am not in support of either, just pointing out your bias.
Let me ask again, wouldn't it be nice if there was a candidate who was anti-corruption?
You mean like RFK who wasn't allowed on the debate stage? He's the environmental lawyer who I think would be the best choice.
VTshredder69You mean like RFK who wasn't allowed on the debate stage? He's the environmental lawyer who I think would be the best choice.
Is he also bought though?
I don't think he is anti-corruption, just someone promoting an economic policy that would help the US. I'd assume he is bought which is why his tax increase plan for corps is actually quite low for what he claims he wishes to accomplish.
PoikenzI don't think he is anti-corruption, just someone promoting an economic policy that would help the US. I'd assume he is bought which is why his tax increase plan for corps is actually quite low for what he claims he wishes to accomplish.
Lol. He's for the green new deal that would add 1 trillion to national debt.
VTshredder69Lol. He's for the green new deal that would add 1 trillion to national debt.
You just said you'd support him though?
I don't think that the debt of any nation matters anymore, and I understand that it is a huge conservative talking point but it's all just talk, they want that debt all the same. Plus investing in one's own country works, or would you say that the new deal was bad?
I shouldn't say too much as I'm just a dumb canuck, but this country is idiotic when it comes to investing in infrastructure, they should have upgraded everything 20-30 years ago, now they are spending a fuck ton just to catch up to where they should be. 30 years from now they'll need to upgrade it all again instead of just doing it now. Labour and materials aren't getting cheaper.
The national debt is a serious problem. As other nations switch from the USD to the Yuan, America might be in serious trouble. Our dollar is backed by the military but we're accruing 1 billion in interest a day, without spending anything.
Ultimately if it doesn't get fixed the dollar with fail and the country will become insolvent and shit will get very very bad.
Fiscal responsibility is a huge and important talking point that neither republicans nor democrats can get in check. We need to fire 2/3 of our government employees that are leaches on the system in order to actually fix the problem.
The debt of a nation certainly matters when it's china that most of it is owed to. It's a form of manipulation if we can't pay it back. YOu think China will just forgive it? NOPE.
Before we do any more spending we need to fix the fucking problem instead of Trump and Biden fucking racking up record levels of it.
PoikenzYou just said you'd support him though?
I don't think that the debt of any nation matters anymore, and I understand that it is a huge conservative talking point but it's all just talk, they want that debt all the same. Plus investing in one's own country works, or would you say that the new deal was bad?
I shouldn't say too much as I'm just a dumb canuck, but this country is idiotic when it comes to investing in infrastructure, they should have upgraded everything 20-30 years ago, now they are spending a fuck ton just to catch up to where they should be. 30 years from now they'll need to upgrade it all again instead of just doing it now. Labour and materials aren't getting cheaper.
VTshredder69The national debt is a serious problem. As other nations switch from the USD to the Yuan, America might be in serious trouble. Our dollar is backed by the military but we're accruing 1 billion in interest a day, without spending anything.
Ultimately if it doesn't get fixed the dollar with fail and the country will become insolvent and shit will get very very bad.
Fiscal responsibility is a huge and important talking point that neither republicans nor democrats can get in check. We need to fire 2/3 of our government employees that are leaches on the system in order to actually fix the problem.
The debt of a nation certainly matters when it's china that most of it is owed to. It's a form of manipulation if we can't pay it back. YOu think China will just forgive it? NOPE.
Before we do any more spending we need to fix the fucking problem instead of Trump and Biden fucking racking up record levels of it.
It's completely possible to take on the new green deal and reduce the debt to record low levels within a couple of decades, but I agree that it won't happen.
I am not sure how that matters though as neither of those 2 candidates are for the new green deal (bidens plan is different) or reducing debt. I am confused as to why you would pick one over the other as both don't seem to support anything you would want.
PoikenzBut it hasn't, his net worth is presumably the highest it has ever been (6-7 b according to bloomberg), even if he has to pay out half a billion. White collar crime always pays off, doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
I think you are just discounting me because I am not blindly agreeing with you on everything. I do agree that bribery and corruption in politics are a problem and people shouldn't be in politics for a monetary gain, but to serve the people. I do not agree that "bad orange man" is better than other politicians when he is also profiting in a similar manner. I am not in support of either, just pointing out your bias.
Let me ask again, wouldn't it be nice if there was a candidate who was anti-corruption?
It isn't as simple as "net worth up." We have seen at least 20% inflation since 2020... everyone with lots of physical assets had their net worth increase.
PoikenzIt's completely possible to take on the new green deal and reduce the debt to record low levels within a couple of decades, but I agree that it won't happen.
I am not sure how that matters though as neither of those 2 candidates are for the new green deal (bidens plan is different) or reducing debt. I am confused as to why you would pick one over the other as both don't seem to support anything you would want.
Because one candidate is actually with it. I'm not sure what station you watch, but Trump's tax cuts benefited me. Our country wasn't funding a proxy war and giving hundreds of billions of dollars to a country who isn't even our ally. The economy was better, inflation wasn't out of control.
You can hate Trump's character. But other world leaders respected him. Biden is a fucking laughing stock.
**This post was edited on Jul 5th 2024 at 3:03:21pm
milk_manIt isn't as simple as "net worth up." We have seen at least 20% inflation since 2020... everyone with lots of physical assets had their net worth increase.
The assumption is that he was at 3b in 2020, so even with inflation that's a damn good return. Again, giving up a fraction of that is a pretty good deal and why there is a large problem with white collar crime in general.
VTshredder69Because one candidate is actually with it. I'm not sure what station you watch, but Trump's tax cuts benefited me. Our country wasn't funding a proxy war and giving hundreds of billions of dollars to a country who isn't even our ally. The economy was better, inflation wasn't out of control.
You can hate Trump's character. But other world leaders respected him. Biden is a fucking laughing stock.
**This post was edited on Jul 5th 2024 at 3:03:21pm
I don't watch tv, so I couldn't comment on that, basically get most of my news from ap. I feel like global respect is a hard thing to wield, I think both candidates fail at that depending on which countries you are cherry picking. Look at N.Korea, yes he went there, but they clowned him.
Inflation is more or less a current global problem, we are doing much worse than you are. The economy is poor due to covid, it takes time to recover and see what effect policies are having, again you are doing better than other nations so far.
Which war are you talking about? Both candidates support Israel and keeping your hands tied on Ukraine is a bad move as well- Russia isn't an ally and is starting to probe into Canada more (aka big threat), not supporting Ukraine would alienate your ties with other nations. It would be nicer if those decisions wouldn't have to be made but I don't see the opposite being a better choice.
What’s Russia doing to Canada? I’m Canadian and haven’t heard anything about this
PoikenzThe assumption is that he was at 3b in 2020, so even with inflation that's a damn good return. Again, giving up a fraction of that is a pretty good deal and why there is a large problem with white collar crime in general.
I don't watch tv, so I couldn't comment on that, basically get most of my news from ap. I feel like global respect is a hard thing to wield, I think both candidates fail at that depending on which countries you are cherry picking. Look at N.Korea, yes he went there, but they clowned him.
Inflation is more or less a current global problem, we are doing much worse than you are. The economy is poor due to covid, it takes time to recover and see what effect policies are having, again you are doing better than other nations so far.
Which war are you talking about? Both candidates support Israel and keeping your hands tied on Ukraine is a bad move as well- Russia isn't an ally and is starting to probe into Canada more (aka big threat), not supporting Ukraine would alienate your ties with other nations. It would be nicer if those decisions wouldn't have to be made but I don't see the opposite being a better choice.
Christian_BaleWhat’s Russia doing to Canada? I’m Canadian and haven’t heard anything about this
So far, not too much but there are concerns that it could materialize into something. They reopened several cold war era bases in the arctic and upgraded them with supersonic missiles that the us/canada can't detect. We are rather unprepared if something happens, but at that point it would be a world war. Politically, we currently have worse relations with Russia than we did during the cold war due in part to the Ukrainian conflict. This news isn't new though, it's been ongoing for the last 2 years.
PacificRimJobSoo.. you prefer people who got rich from daddy?
Look, I don't think anyone whos president should be rich... The poorer they are the better.
I think having a rich father and then building on that is admirable. I know far too many dead beats with rich fathers who don't work at all and leach off their parents at age 35.
Someone who doesn't understand economics shouldn't be in office either. Maybe being poor would help the national debt but people who are poor usually pursue a passion or are just dumb. I'd prefer someone who knows how to run a business run the god damn country.
Not that it fucking matters at this point. We are Rome under the emporers ... only a matter of time.
milk_manTrump has faced massive legal troubles simply because he entered politics, and it has hurt him financially. You really think they would be going after him this hard if he had stayed out of politics? Lol, no
Trump has had well over 4000 legal cases in his life. He's spent his entire adult life in court nonstop since the 1970s when the federal government sued him for discrimination.
He had over 3500 lawsuits before he entered politics, lost two fraud cases , Trump charity and Trump University before he entered politics.
He was sued by a 13 year old girl for rape ( she dropped the charges due to her family receiving constant death threats ), and had over 25 women accuse him of rape and sexual assault since the 70s including his ex wife. The only new aspect is these are his first criminal indictments but he came close to being indicted a few times before he entered politics and spent 5 decades being constantly investigated. He's always been a sociopathic con man career criminal, politics just shined a spotlight on him .
jfpOrange man is bad. He's an absolutely terrible person. A total piece of shit. A malignant narcissistic sociopath con man career criminal rapist pedo.
VTshredder69I think having a rich father and then building on that is admirable. I know far too many dead beats with rich fathers who don't work at all and leach off their parents at age 35.
Someone who doesn't understand economics shouldn't be in office either. Maybe being poor would help the national debt but people who are poor usually pursue a passion or are just dumb. I'd prefer someone who knows how to run a business run the god damn country.
Not that it fucking matters at this point. We are Rome under the emporers ... only a matter of time.
Trump would have been richer had he been a deadbeat and didnt do any of the bullshit he did lol. If you want someone who understands economics, it's not Trump - who failed at CASINOS of all things...
Also, why do we think that running a business is anything like running a country. Running a business - especially a corporate business in this late-stage capitalist world - is all about extracting wealth and growth at the expense of everyone else - be that exploiting the working people of this country, or the labour and resources of other countries'. Is that a good thing? I don't mean for someone's pocketbook, I mean a WHOLLY good thing?
A government is not here to make money. That never was nor should ever be the point of it.
A government's whole point of existence is to make everyone's lives better by keeping us safer, healthier, and overall happier. Thats why we give it tax dollars. If it's just another fucking corporation, then why are we even calling it a government? It's a banana republic at that point. If we hand over the reigns of the country to some guy who simply inherited all of his wealth and then proceeded to make himself a self-important playboy out of it.
**This post was edited on Jul 7th 2024 at 8:41:44pm
PacificRimJobTrump would have been richer had he been a deadbeat and didnt do any of the bullshit he did lol. If you want someone who understands economics, it's not Trump - who failed at CASINOS of all things...
Also, why do we think that running a business is anything like running a country. Running a business - especially a corporate business in this late-stage capitalist world - is all about extracting wealth and growth at the expense of everyone else - be that exploiting the working people of this country, or the labour and resources of other countries'. Is that a good thing? I don't mean for someone's pocketbook, I mean a WHOLLY good thing?
A government is not here to make money. That never was nor should ever be the point of it.
A government's whole point of existence is to make everyone's lives better by keeping us safer, healthier, and overall happier. Thats why we give it tax dollars. If it's just another fucking corporation, then why are we even calling it a government? It's a banana republic at that point. If we hand over the reigns of the country to some guy who simply inherited all of his wealth and then proceeded to make himself a self-important playboy out of it.
**This post was edited on Jul 7th 2024 at 8:41:44pm
We have been objectively worse off under Biden than we were with Trump. Are you even from the US?
milk_manWe have been objectively worse off under Biden than we were with Trump. Are you even from the US?
I’m a farmer and net farm income is way up under Biden, and they have been giving a lot more financial support to small and medium size farms. We are getting a huge addition onto the barn from the NRCS
PacificRimJobTrump would have been richer had he been a deadbeat and didnt do any of the bullshit he did lol. If you want someone who understands economics, it's not Trump - who failed at CASINOS of all things...
Also, why do we think that running a business is anything like running a country. Running a business - especially a corporate business in this late-stage capitalist world - is all about extracting wealth and growth at the expense of everyone else - be that exploiting the working people of this country, or the labour and resources of other countries'. Is that a good thing? I don't mean for someone's pocketbook, I mean a WHOLLY good thing?
A government is not here to make money. That never was nor should ever be the point of it.
A government's whole point of existence is to make everyone's lives better by keeping us safer, healthier, and overall happier. Thats why we give it tax dollars. If it's just another fucking corporation, then why are we even calling it a government? It's a banana republic at that point. If we hand over the reigns of the country to some guy who simply inherited all of his wealth and then proceeded to make himself a self-important playboy out of it.
**This post was edited on Jul 7th 2024 at 8:41:44pm
What's your degree in? You got a lot of bark, but there is no bite.
jfpOrange man is bad. He's an absolutely terrible person. A total piece of shit. A malignant narcissistic sociopath con man career criminal rapist pedo.
Yea, trying to lock him up still won't work. LOL.
At this point i'm rooting for him. Because of comments like yours. Gotta love the frivolity of idiots.
hi_vis360I’m a farmer and net farm income is way up under Biden, and they have been giving a lot more financial support to small and medium size farms. We are getting a huge addition onto the barn from the NRCS
oh you mean the unsustainable, money injection stimulated spike? get back to me in 2-3 more years when more reality starts to set in
milk_manWe have been objectively worse off under Biden than we were with Trump. Are you even from the US?
Have we now.. lol.
Please tell me specific policies that Trump personally enacted on his lonesome that were oh-so-great for our overall way of life as a national population...
VTshredder69What's your degree in? You got a lot of bark, but there is no bite.
You don't need a doctorate to know what a post-fuedal government is in place to do. It Makes me wonder if you have a capacity to think critically, or if you just follow along blindly with whatever the Republicans and their propaganda media tell you to believe...
Like, I'm definitely critical of Biden - and certainly critical of the spineless Democrats who don't seem to have any real fight in them... Are you ever critical of the Republicans or Trump? or late-stage capitalism? or the American Experiment as a whole?
VTshredder69You sound like you're 12 kid. You're a brainwashed clown who hasn't gotten laid yet. Carry on.
Biden is literally braindead destorying the country but Trump hurt your feelings? Fucking pussy generation.
Buddy, you're the one who thinks Biden is old but Trump somehow isn't. They're both old-ass goofballs and neither of them should be running this country, whatsoever.
The problem is, we have to make a choice - and I'd rather have an old, geriatric dude who at least has good intentions for the country (Biden) than an old, geriatric dude who only has good intentions for himself (Trump)
Please tell me specific policies that Trump personally enacted on his lonesome that were oh-so-great for our overall way of life as a national population...
Most of the reasons why we were better off under Trump is because of what Biden has done, not because Trump did anything spectacular.
A few of the biggest are:
1. Biden's day 1 repeal of Trump's interior enforcement executive order along with other insane immigration related executive orders that set the stage for the border chaos we've seen for years at this point.
2. Throwing gas on an inflation fire without stopping, even after the pandemic was waning and we had a vaccine. Keeping interest rates near zero for over 8 months too long (technically not the president's fault, but silly to pretend there isn't some behind the scenes work here).
Americans care about illegal immigration and inflation - Biden has been trash at both of these. Lets not forget other stupid policies that will raise prices for Americans in the future, such as his new power plant rules.
milk_man2. Throwing gas on an inflation fire without stopping, even after the pandemic was waning and we had a vaccine. Keeping interest rates near zero for over 8 months too long (technically not the president's fault, but silly to pretend there isn't some behind the scenes work here).
I find this point kinda funny. Trump actively pressed for the fed to keep inflation low around 2018, as you mention president doesnt have any direct say in this but behind the scenes who knows. I remember this because I wanted to buy a house because it seemed like interest rates would start rising and wanted to get a mortgage before that happened even payed money to lock in an interest rate which ended up being wasted money because interest rates dropped even more. I'd say this was around the time that house prices started to really increase. I'm no economist so I could be off base and I am only considering the housing market, but that seems like it would have been a good time to start raising rates to avoid house prices doubling and everyone and their mother buying investment properties.
milk_manMost of the reasons why we were better off under Trump is because of what Biden has done, not because Trump did anything spectacular.
A few of the biggest are:
1. Biden's day 1 repeal of Trump's interior enforcement executive order along with other insane immigration related executive orders that set the stage for the border chaos we've seen for years at this point.
2. Throwing gas on an inflation fire without stopping, even after the pandemic was waning and we had a vaccine. Keeping interest rates near zero for over 8 months too long (technically not the president's fault, but silly to pretend there isn't some behind the scenes work here).
Americans care about illegal immigration and inflation - Biden has been trash at both of these. Lets not forget other stupid policies that will raise prices for Americans in the future, such as his new power plant rules.
1. You seem to forget how much of a chaotic mess the border was under Trump as well. Its been a mess for a long time, but comprehensive immigration reform is not going to come from the President. Its going to come from congress.. and neither party really wants to touch the subject because its become such a hotbed of ridiculousness... Trump had the whole of congress controlled by the GOP and all they did was give a tax break to the 1%. They did nothing for improving immigration and their solutions were nothing besides "give a bunch of money to this stupid wall that wont work" (and no.. a wall will not fucking work to curb illegal immigration - most of which happens due to visa overstays) Whatever though.
I kinda don't give a shit about illegal immigration. It's never really negatively affected the main population, and given how agriculture doesn't carry a minimum wage, agricultural farms would be useless without it unless we change that status quo and a whole host of others. Nobody else is willing to work those jobs. If youre scared of immigrants taking your jobs, or causing crime, look at other Americans first lol.
2. Trump is definitely the one who threw gas on inflation far before the pandemic even happened. He pushed for YEARS to keep interest rates rock bottom in order to overcook the economical growth numbers, and keep the stock market and real estate markets which he is heavily invested in on overload.
If he was elected to a 2nd term, inflation was absolutely bound to happen - it was already being predicted in mid 2019 - and he would have just blamed everyone else for what happened. Truth be told, Biden was focused a lot more on other crises than the interest rate and took a very hands off approach to it. If you hate the Fed, thats very separate to the president as you stated...
Inflation has been a problem, but corporations have been price gouging for years to make up for it - leading to record profits. If inflation is so bad, how come theyre making an absolute killing out there and seeing such high growth numbers despite it? It doesnt add up... and there's nothing the president can really do about that without congressional action - something theyre also unwilling to do as they benefit from corporate profits on both sides of the table. Leaving most actual people scrambling...
Trump inherited an economy that had been reestablished under the Obama administration after it was destroyed by deregulation in the global financial crisis in the late aughts. He worked with Republicans to put it in perhaps the worst position imaginable for the majority of Americans when the Pandemic struck, and completely goofed up the response to it. Hell, Boris Johnson across the pond at least was halfway un-shit in that regard, even if he did have a stupid ass party at #10. Meanwhile, Trump completely bodged it in every way because he's useless in a crisis - where his only move when it comes to his own businesses is to hire all the lawyers and the declare bankruptcy... Not a good move.
I don't think Biden has been amazing or anything, but I also don't believe he's as volatile or petty as Trump - I just trust him to do the right thing for us.
These data definitely give a fuller picture of what’s going on, especially for big ag. But the fact remains the Biden years have been good for us at the small farm I work at, and that’s coming from my boss who is a registered republican. Anyone who says that everything Biden has done is objectively bad, or that everything that trump did was objectively bad, is blindly partisan and can’t think for themself.
PacificRimJob1. You seem to forget how much of a chaotic mess the border was under Trump as well. Its been a mess for a long time, but comprehensive immigration reform is not going to come from the President. Its going to come from congress.. and neither party really wants to touch the subject because its become such a hotbed of ridiculousness... Trump had the whole of congress controlled by the GOP and all they did was give a tax break to the 1%. They did nothing for improving immigration and their solutions were nothing besides "give a bunch of money to this stupid wall that wont work" (and no.. a wall will not fucking work to curb illegal immigration - most of which happens due to visa overstays) Whatever though.
Yes there was a spike under Trump, but it isn't remotely comparable. I get it, you don't understand the long term impacts on housing, elections, etc. Or you just don't care like you stated, but your ignorance doesn't overpower the collective values of the country.
