Church is Kind of Dope

JalmarKalmarI think most important objective In human life is survival, If it wasn't we would have been dead for years already or human population would be lot smaller.

I'm not sure if I understood your use of "cause" correctly, but quantum mechanics state that everything doesn't have deterministic causes, so maybe free will and consciousness was just a tragic random misstep in evolution. I don't believe that big bang came from nothing though. That just sound stupid (partly because it is impossible to think about nothing), I feel like it had to come from something. That something might or might not be solved in our life time. Saying that behind everything is intelligent creator sounds more like filling gaps in current knowledge instead of actual evidence of god type of thing.

Jag älskar fabbe gangily fabbily.

fabbeGod is also very probable because all the historical sources point to jesus existance and his miracles, its just the most logical explanation to everything dawg...

JalmarKalmarWhy would christianity be the one that is right and for example Hinduism not? What if it's actually zeus who is shooting the thunders from the sky?

fabbehistorical evidence + logic

JalmarKalmarCan you explain the logic to me like i'm 11 year old who is trying to learn algebra?

List of real evidence happens to be quite short. With fast googling I found few references in roman texts and guy named Flavious Josephus said something about him.

stokedelicThere’s a million ways to skin a cat. Check out other major religions and maybe even hit some places of worship. I grew up pseudo Christian, and plan on reading the bible again soon.

A few buddhist quotes i really like, that I’ll butcher

“Religion is a boat to cross the river. Too many get stuck in the boat”

”Explaining religion is like pointing at the moon. Most of us just stare at the finger”

JalmarKalmarWhy would christianity be the one that is right and for example Hinduism not? What if it's actually zeus who is shooting the thunders from the sky?

SteezyYeeterFrom what I've seen, almost all established religions regard Jesus as a very important prophet. That is not seen with any other religious figure. If you can't see the significance in that then you're not trying. Plus you're arguing in bad faith anyways which is totally immature and unlike you.

JalmarKalmarI still don't see how Jesus being regarded as very important prophet by other religions makes it the "right one", enlighten me more please.

Next words in post come from ChatGPT:
The accusation of arguing in bad faith and being immature is an ad hominem attack, which does not address the logical substance of the discussion. It's important to focus on the logical examination of claims rather than personal attacks. (What the fuck is "ad hominem)

SteezyYeeterad hominem is when you just resort to insults because you know you're losing the argument. arguing in bad faith is a real thing though lol. if you disregard someone's entire post, quote a tiny part of it, acknowledge that you disregarded the whole thing, and then say you've never seen evidence of the thing the person's arguing (while they try and provide evidence), that to me is bad faith. although maybe a better word in this case is argumentative? either way I never try to resort to ad hominem. I meant to say there is no logical substance of your responses.

JalmarKalmarBad faith might or might not be right word for it and my post (outside of one responding to fabbe) have been half troll, half trying to understand his point and half not too well reasoned arguments. I'll also play the card of not being native speaker so some of my points can disappear when trying to translate my thoughts into something sensible.

"Evidence" that one guy provided:
Historical evidence he claimed to have: didn't provide any.
Eye witness testimonies: I don't know what to say about those.
Islam, jesus and christianity: They come from the same area, mixed opinions about worshipping the same god and their books apparently share the same narrative somewhere in them. So I think those are little bit biased as proof. Being in 2 different religions might add little bit of credibility for Jesus, but not enough to prove existense.
Something from the bible: Biased as an evidence.

Why do I believe science is the truth:
Science just works. All of it is logical. Everything From basic mechanics to quantum machanics to chemistry to biology. Theories can be proved in empirical ways. Smartest people that have ever lived put their entire lives into these theories and I rather believe them than an old book. Maybe one day Theory of everything is complete.

I guess there has to be something that Jesus is based on though.

Sorry for crosstalking about Existence of jesus and the whole religion itself and after writing this thing I realised that I didn't really give any arguments about jesus.

TLDR: Truth can be found in science, not in some magic man or wine hippie.

Y_Guycan you explain why science to contradictory of God's existence?

JalmarKalmarOnce again there is huge chance I misunderstood "contradictory". Too many hard words :D

Explanations through science are based on observations, experiments and logic. These unnatural things that God is claimed to be capable of doing go against natural law that have been created through observation, experiments and logic. You really can't prove god exists with science unless there is some very important piece of science that we haven't discovered yet. These natural laws that are in our current knowledge say that Gods physical being is just impossible. This leads me to believe that if there is no evidence through observation and logic to support God , it doesn't exist.

Believing in that God is the one pulling strings of people, having control of your final destination or whatever he is claimed to be doing is in your mind. It's mostly philosophical question so I can't really say it's right or wrong on that part since there is no right answer to philosophical questions. But you can argue gods existence for example, through logical problem of evil(If you have attended even a single philosophy course you should know about it).
Logical problem of evil:

P1. If an omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient god exists, then evil does not.

P2. There is evil in the world.

C1. Therefore, an omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient god

Wikipedia has extended better version of it with more premises.

Thank you to whoever made this beautiful picture.

fabbeIn my understanding your saying: god is supposed to be kind so why is there evil in this world? the reason why there is evil is because god gave us free Will and the ability to make our own decisions type shi gangily

SteezyYeeterI believe in God, but when it really comes down to it, that was just how I was raised and I just have faith in Him. I'm not a theologist so I don't have the knowledge to make substantial arguments. That's not really the important thing for me. The Catholic Church is the single organization most responsible for the benefit and progression of society and that is why it is good. Wahh wahh "muh wars". I really don't care. If it weren't for Catholicism, there would be no hospitals, universities, there wouldn't be science. The complexity and beauty of science for me is just proof of there being a God existing (not that that is an argument). Plus you have to believe in God to be a good person. Otherwise all moral standards are just arbitrary. And I'm not saying you're going to be a "bad" person if you don't believe in God; most humans are good kind by nature (proof of his omnibenevolence, very few animal species exhibit signs of charity), but they still don't have the moral framework by which they can justify what is "good" or not.

I kinda cooked with that tbh.

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Dlonetticatholicism also has done a myriad of terrible things that you seem ready to gloss over. and calling the catholic church the single most important organization for the progression of society reeks of white saviorism and colonialism. religion gives bad people the justification to push their ideas on others.

did god create man because he was bored, or did man create god because he was bored?

perchance may have cooked here

SteezyYeeteryou seem ready to gloss over all the good done by them, too. p sure my claim still stands. care to put forth a more beneficial organization? you didn't cook you just called me a racist lmao. nice argument.

SteezyYeeterI believe in God, but when it really comes down to it, that was just how I was raised and I just have faith in Him. I'm not a theologist so I don't have the knowledge to make substantial arguments. That's not really the important thing for me. The Catholic Church is the single organization most responsible for the benefit and progression of society and that is why it is good. Wahh wahh "muh wars". I really don't care. If it weren't for Catholicism, there would be no hospitals, universities, there wouldn't be science. The complexity and beauty of science for me is just proof of there being a God existing (not that that is an argument). Plus you have to believe in God to be a good person. Otherwise all moral standards are just arbitrary. And I'm not saying you're going to be a "bad" person if you don't believe in God; most humans are good kind by nature (proof of his omnibenevolence, very few animal species exhibit signs of charity), but they still don't have the moral framework by which they can justify what is "good" or not.

I kinda cooked with that tbh.

**This post was edited on May 26th 2024 at 11:01:21am

SteezyYeeterI believe in God, but when it really comes down to it, that was just how I was raised and I just have faith in Him. I'm not a theologist so I don't have the knowledge to make substantial arguments. That's not really the important thing for me. The Catholic Church is the single organization most responsible for the benefit and progression of society and that is why it is good. Wahh wahh "muh wars". I really don't care. If it weren't for Catholicism, there would be no hospitals, universities, there wouldn't be science. The complexity and beauty of science for me is just proof of there being a God existing (not that that is an argument). Plus you have to believe in God to be a good person. Otherwise all moral standards are just arbitrary. And I'm not saying you're going to be a "bad" person if you don't believe in God; most humans are good kind by nature (proof of his omnibenevolence, very few animal species exhibit signs of charity), but they still don't have the moral framework by which they can justify what is "good" or not.

I kinda cooked with that tbh.

**This post was edited on May 26th 2024 at 11:01:21am

JalmarKalmarEvery now and then I wonder how many people are part of a religion just because they were born into it. Would I be Rastafari If i was born in Jamaica instead of almost anti-religion type of family.

SteezyYeeterPlus you have to believe in God to be a good person. Otherwise all moral standards are just arbitrary.

**This post was edited on May 26th 2024 at 11:01:21am

JalmarKalmarEvery now and then I wonder how many people are part of a religion just because they were born into it. Would I be Rastafari If i was born in Jamaica instead of almost anti-religion type of family.

Farmville420Side question do yall believe in ghosts?

Dlonettii mean based on the way you post on here i wouldn’t be surprised lol

PartyBullshiitThis so much. If we were to pretend we lived in a world with no religion and people were told the story of “god” today they would be laughed out of the room and into a psych ward.

No logical person would believe the goofy bedtime stories but because Civilization was Indoctrinated and brainwashed for so long people fall for the stories. Religion was created and still is used to control masses.

churches also should be tax free cash grabbing systems like they are in the US.

SteezyYeeterthis is coming from the guy who posts buttplug memes from facebook

SteezyYeeteryou seem ready to gloss over all the good done by them, too. p sure my claim still stands. care to put forth a more beneficial organization? you didn't cook you just called me a racist lmao. nice argument.

JalmarKalmarEvery now and then I wonder how many people are part of a religion just because they were born into it. Would I be Rastafari If i was born in Jamaica instead of almost anti-religion type of family.

JalmarKalmarTo my understanding this God is lot of these omni-things.

Longer version from wikipedia:
P1a. God exists.

P1b. God is omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient.

P1c. An omnipotent being has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.

P1d. An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils.

P1e. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence, and knows every way in which those evils could be prevented.

P1f. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.

P1. If there exists an omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient God, then no evil exists.

P2. Evil exists (logical contradiction).

SteezyYeetershut up you're a fucking retard bro

Dlonettibetter than you at skiing

JalmarKalmarDoesn't apply to me

1spliff2guinniesSelf-reflection doesn't come easy to ya does it?

PartyBullshiitIf this you annual visit to the site? Lol throw a post in every thread and we will see you again in a year? Not complaining just funny

theabortionatorWas just talking to somebody about church today. They got into it. Found a spot they vibe with. I'm all about it. I was stoked for them.

Personally I'll prolly never go near a church again but thats based on my own experience with churches and people.

Life's a journey, if people fimd something positive and a good supportive church? Good for them. Can't hate on that.

freestyler540Theres way more to theology than ceremonies. Its more of a community get together once a week. They follow eachother lives, celebrate milestones… I guess that what fills the soul and makes people feel the magic of gods creation.

I dunno. Feels more like a bunch of obligation. I prefer wandering in alpine terrain; they are like cathedrals. You can awe and marvel at natures superstructure!

SteezyYeeteralso I helped my friend to convert to Catholicism last year 😊

crusades were valid as fuccc