Church is Kind of Dope

eheathReligion can be a great thing, it helps a ton of people, but unfortunately it gets extremely abused.

eheathReligion can be a great thing, it helps a ton of people, but unfortunately it gets extremely abused.

JalmarKalmarTo me the religion side of church is complete bullshit. I guess community side of it is good. They also help poor people so I guess that's good.
Usually I don't care if someone is religious or not, but people who bring their religion into everything and base everything they do on a 2000 year old bedtime story can piss me off.

Rock_InhabitantI was listening to some gregorian stuff on yt and the comments section was full of people taking about their problems and almost everybody said something like “please pray for me in these pressing times” like you need to figure your shit out, nobody’s helping you for shit in a YouTube comments section. Religion is a net benefit on society I think but the people who don’t do anything to better their lives and just hope for divine intervention kinda suck.

SteezyYeeterpeople that dislike religion are generally the most hateful and insufferable people i've met (in my experience) (universally true)

SteezyYeeterpeople that dislike religion are generally the most hateful and insufferable people i've met (in my experience) (universally true)

Farmville420I wouldn't say that because religion has a bad name for a good reason. You are thinking of people who lack the ability to possess faith at all and don't believe that their spiritual side is important. Those people are usually nihilists and are extremely pessimistic about everything which is a miserable way to live life (by definition).

I have many friends who are atheists but still possess spirituality by just believing that other things are "god". Like to somebody nature can just be god, for a lot of physicists entropy itself is God, but stuff like that can kind of nurture that side of your life while also not participating in organized religion.

And even for religious people, you don't need to church to validate your relationship with "god", its an individual thing and in the end no matter what you believe, the ability to believe at all in something (even if it's believing in yourself) is super valuable in life IMO

r00kieSome of the least spiritual people I have met are Christians ironically. Faith can become a series of formalities like prayer before eating, a way of socializing as an adult, or a framework for political ideology and all three push actual spirituality to the side.

Farmville420Those people are usually nihilists and are extremely pessimistic about everything which is a miserable way to live life (by definition).

Lenny-Nihilism has nothing to do with happiness or sadness. Its not "a miserable way to live life by definition" that's just like your opinion, man.

Linked is an interesting article I read about Nihilism incase you want to read something non-fiction. It explains in depth why you are wrong.

https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/what-nihilism-is-not/

Lenny-Nihilism has nothing to do with happiness or sadness. Its not "a miserable way to live life by definition" that's just like your opinion, man.

Linked is an interesting article I read about Nihilism incase you want to read something non-fiction. It explains in depth why you are wrong.

https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/what-nihilism-is-not/

Farmville420I don't really read fiction (Assuming that you're implying the bible is fiction, which I don't read) , but I also don't read Nolen Gertz because I don't actually care that by technicality "believing in nothing is believing in something". Also the reason nihilism and pessimism are mixed up is because often times nihilists ARE pessimists. And if you think that's not the case then that's fine, but you also need to understand that you are the minority.

And if that's valuable to you that's great, and I'm not against anything in that article. The way he writes is pretty much identical to religious texts and treats "nothingness" like god, which is almost identical to a post I just made in this thread lmao

Lenny-My problem is all the kid fucking.

JalmarKalmarNihilism is commonly very misunderstood. It's not the worst possible way to look at life.

SteezyYeeteralso I helped my friend to convert to Catholicism last year 😊

crusades were valid as fuccc

hi_vis360A bunch of the crusaders were literally cannibals dude, and they were fought because Europeans were poor and wanted to steal wealth from the Middle East

hi_vis360Singing hymns RULES

Y_GuyIt seems there's a lot of people who are "spiritual" or think that Church provides good morals and a good community, which is great and true, but the reality is is that there's a lot more truth behind the "2000 year old bedtime stories" than most people think. Much of what has been said is true, religion is often used as a method of control and power, the crusades were a big no no, and yes it can often seem, and be, very culty. However, religion is truly just how people try to organize around the cultural movement stemming from what was written down long ago, but the reason many people are a part of it is because there is an underlying truth. That truth is that Jesus Christ really did sacrifice himself upon the cross, and God is real, and he really does love us.

Many will try and argue that there's no true evidence for God, and so therefore He does not exist, but in this they fail to acknowledge that there is also no evidence for the contrary, or any evidence pointing towards any other theory. In fact, the argument that everything comes from nothing (Big Bang) is far less logical than an argument for God. It defies all evidence of what we know to be true in our world, which is that life comes from other life. There is also something to be said about how the order and design of our universe works too cohesively together to be a coincidence, so its more likely that whatever being created the universe is an intelligent creator. There will never be 100% evidence of any theory of creation, so our only option is to believe in the most likely theory.

Again this line of judgement is used when speculating the validity of Jesus Christ. While there's no real historical evidence of Jesus of Nazareth's existence besides the Gospels (which many claim to be fabricated by Constantine in order to maintain control over his empire), there is extra-biblical documents describing the martyr of at least 3 apostles dated before the existence of Constantine, and obviously what is written in the bible about the death and suffering the apostles endured. Nobody would believe a lie to their death, and the apostles had everything to lose and nothing to gain from attesting to the resurrection of Christ. It is very reasonable to believe that Jesus did sacrifice himself on the cross and rise from the dead. He did this because He loved us. He foresaw his death and foresaw the betrayal of Judas and Peter towards him, yet still died the death Peter and Judas deserved because of their direct betrayal towards the living God, Jesus Christ. He knew they would betray Him, and He knew that we too would continue to betray Him, yet He died for our betrayals anyways simply because He loves us. We didn't do anything to deserve His love yet we have it anyway, and that is why God is worth worshipping.

Repent and Believe in the Gospel.

JalmarKalmarYou really say that only option is to believe in the most likely theory and then say that big bang is less logical than some magical thing?
Read some science books.

You really created an account just post that?
PS. I don'y know why I care.

Y_GuyThere's nothing in science that supports the big bang theory. The only reason people suggest that science would support the big bang theory is because they know that science is true and then draw the conclusion that it contradicts what is written in Genesis, but scientific evidence and what is written in Genesis are mutually exclusive. I fully acknowledge the existence of dinosaurs and human evolution, I'm not stupid, but simply because this is not mentioned in the Bible does not mean this fact is a measure of the Bible's validity and the existence of God. Both can be true, and the reason is because these things aren't included in the Bible because they're not relevant to what the Bible communicates. The purpose of the Bible is to reveal who God is and what He's about, not how he works. "The Lord works in mysterious ways" is a very true statement because it's never revealed to us, probably because it's beyond our comprehension.

Also, it should be said that we as humans have a natural tendency to believe in a creator, and consistently have throughout all of human existence. The world around us is proof that it is more likely than not that we have an intelligent creator, and even remote tribal societies who have never had contact with the rest of the world see this.

Also its not far fetched to believe in a "magical" being when you yourself believe in a magical explosion that created the entire universe.

Y_GuyThere's nothing in science that supports the big bang theory. The only reason people suggest that science would support the big bang theory is because they know that science is true and then draw the conclusion that it contradicts what is written in Genesis, but scientific evidence and what is written in Genesis are mutually exclusive. I fully acknowledge the existence of dinosaurs and human evolution, I'm not stupid, but simply because this is not mentioned in the Bible does not mean this fact is a measure of the Bible's validity and the existence of God. Both can be true, and the reason is because these things aren't included in the Bible because they're not relevant to what the Bible communicates. The purpose of the Bible is to reveal who God is and what He's about, not how he works. "The Lord works in mysterious ways" is a very true statement because it's never revealed to us, probably because it's beyond our comprehension.

Also, it should be said that we as humans have a natural tendency to believe in a creator, and consistently have throughout all of human existence. The world around us is proof that it is more likely than not that we have an intelligent creator, and even remote tribal societies who have never had contact with the rest of the world see this.

Also its not far fetched to believe in a "magical" being when you yourself believe in a magical explosion that created the entire universe.

Y_GuyThere's nothing in science that supports the big bang theory. The only reason people suggest that science would support the big bang theory is because they know that science is true and then draw the conclusion that it contradicts what is written in Genesis, but scientific evidence and what is written in Genesis are mutually exclusive. I fully acknowledge the existence of dinosaurs and human evolution, I'm not stupid, but simply because this is not mentioned in the Bible does not mean this fact is a measure of the Bible's validity and the existence of God. Both can be true, and the reason is because these things aren't included in the Bible because they're not relevant to what the Bible communicates. The purpose of the Bible is to reveal who God is and what He's about, not how he works. "The Lord works in mysterious ways" is a very true statement because it's never revealed to us, probably because it's beyond our comprehension.

Also, it should be said that we as humans have a natural tendency to believe in a creator, and consistently have throughout all of human existence. The world around us is proof that it is more likely than not that we have an intelligent creator, and even remote tribal societies who have never had contact with the rest of the world see this.

Also its not far fetched to believe in a "magical" being when you yourself believe in a magical explosion that created the entire universe.

Farmville420There are actually millions of publications proving the big bang theory is actually true. The thing you can't prove is what happened before it, or what caused it, since time and space did not exist. So you're not wrong, it could have been god, but it also could have been a trillion different things as well. No one knows what existed before the universe and it is impossible to know because we can't actually measure anything that exists without time.

Y_GuyIt seems there's a lot of people who are "spiritual" or think that Church provides good morals and a good community, which is great and true, but the reality is is that there's a lot more truth behind the "2000 year old bedtime stories" than most people think. Much of what has been said is true, religion is often used as a method of control and power, the crusades were a big no no, and yes it can often seem, and be, very culty. However, religion is truly just how people try to organize around the cultural movement stemming from what was written down long ago, but the reason many people are a part of it is because there is an underlying truth. That truth is that Jesus Christ really did sacrifice himself upon the cross, and God is real, and he really does love us.

Many will try and argue that there's no true evidence for God, and so therefore He does not exist, but in this they fail to acknowledge that there is also no evidence for the contrary, or any evidence pointing towards any other theory. In fact, the argument that everything comes from nothing (Big Bang) is far less logical than an argument for God. It defies all evidence of what we know to be true in our world, which is that life comes from other life. There is also something to be said about how the order and design of our universe works too cohesively together to be a coincidence, so its more likely that whatever being created the universe is an intelligent creator. There will never be 100% evidence of any theory of creation, so our only option is to believe in the most likely theory.

Again this line of judgement is used when speculating the validity of Jesus Christ. While there's no real historical evidence of Jesus of Nazareth's existence besides the Gospels (which many claim to be fabricated by Constantine in order to maintain control over his empire), there is extra-biblical documents describing the martyr of at least 3 apostles dated before the existence of Constantine, and obviously what is written in the bible about the death and suffering the apostles endured. Nobody would believe a lie to their death, and the apostles had everything to lose and nothing to gain from attesting to the resurrection of Christ. It is very reasonable to believe that Jesus did sacrifice himself on the cross and rise from the dead. He did this because He loved us. He foresaw his death and foresaw the betrayal of Judas and Peter towards him, yet still died the death Peter and Judas deserved because of their direct betrayal towards the living God, Jesus Christ. He knew they would betray Him, and He knew that we too would continue to betray Him, yet He died for our betrayals anyways simply because He loves us. We didn't do anything to deserve His love yet we have it anyway, and that is why God is worth worshipping.

Repent and Believe in the Gospel.

JalmarKalmarI don't have enough smart sounding words in my english vocalbulary to write a proper answer.
I'm not really trying to say that science is 100% right, I'm saying that science is lot less wrong.
Why would your religion be the right one from the thousands of other religions and mythologies? What if Norse mythology is actually the right one instead of your god and the wine hippie

theabortionatorYou made a new account just to post that?

Y_Guy, the crusades were a big no no,

Y_Guythey kind of MADE THINGS UP to help explain the world around them.

JalmarKalmarEvery single religion in a nutshell.


(I might have taken that out of context, but I don't think it really matters in this case because I haven't seen any evidence of intelligent creator)

fabbeFree Will is evidence of a intelligent creator

JalmarKalmarHow?

fabbeyou agree that both of us have free will right? so we jus evolved from bacterias and shit than all we would be was machines that have 1 objective which is to survive type shi gangily... but we have freewill and in my opinion that means there has to be a intelligent creator behind us.

+ for something to happen there has to be a cause; so there had to be a cause behind the big bang and for me the most probable cause is that it had to be god behind it.