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Sully_Lynndefinity go with another. attacks are good and most markers are also good. pivots are great if you actually use the din range and are skilled enough to where the pivot function actually works but most of the people you see with pivots just have them because they look cool.
AtticusORI recently bought the Mango 100 and I've been looking at bindings to put on it and I've been recommended the pivots but they're just so expensive and I can't really afford them right after I bought the Mango 100. Should I save up for pivot's or go with another? I would be using the ski for just freestyle and a bit of all mountain. I'm 5'10 and 145 pounds.
PartyBullshiitPivots are recommended for a reason. They’re generally considered the best binding especially when you’re talking the full metal construction of the 15/18.
Here are pivot 15’s with a 95 brake for $250 shipped. For that price you’re not going to get a better binding.
https://sundanceskishop.com/en-us/products/look-pivot-15-gw-b?variant=40406340239458&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&tw_source=google&tw_adid=&tw_campaign=19670752514&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu_7HutCGhgMVpKxaBR2J-wjQEAQYAyABEgJ6JPD_BwE
BallClapperThat being said if you are on a tight budget you cant go wrong with the strives. They will look a little goofy as you don't see that many on3ps with something other than markers or pivots.
SkiEnthusiast420spent all his money on the most expensive park ski on the market but won't spend on bindings that will last several years lol
VzxBindings are one of if not the most important piece
of gear that being said you don’t want to cheap out on them. At the end of the season you can find some pretty sweet deals on attacks,STH2 and pivots which can help save you some money.
**This post was edited on May 11th 2024 at 10:58:33pm
hi_vis360There are a lot of really solid bindings out there for a lot cheaper. But anyone who says pivots are just for looks is delusional, the turntable heel is radically different from other bindings and it absolutely feels different to ski on. I’m not sure if I buy the claims about limiting knee injuries though. I have never, ever pre released on pivots, and for that reason I can run the din lower than on other bindings.
SlowbroIMO Pivots and STH2s are equal in terms of quality and both will last you around 5 pairs of skis. I prefer STHs because I break the brakes less often and they're less than half the price to replace if I do.
AtticusORThat seems like a good option, the only thing about STH and pivots are they are kind of heavy.
Big_Chilla_JI tore my mcl on the pivot. Don’t beleive the propaganda.
BallClapperThat being said if you are on a tight budget you cant go wrong with the strives. They will look a little goofy as you don't see that many on3ps with something other than markers or pivots.
Big_Chilla_JI tore my mcl on the pivot. Don’t beleive the propaganda.
BallClapperSounds like user error. If your din's were set right that wouldn't happen.
onenerdykidYeah, not true. Not even Look themselves make the claim that Pivots mitigate ACL injuries. It's one of the biggest myths in all of the ski industry.
scratchskier321the way the turntable rotates around the tib/fib on release is incredible. the 4 screws under the heel are amazing too, the uninterrupted ski flex resulting from it is great.
officechairI don't think the boot can release laterally at the heel due to the way it "cups" the heel with the bars pointed backward like a swing. It's the opposite of release on a touring binding where the boot connects forward of the rotating point on the bindings, which allows lateral release. The boot has to release at the toe to release at the heel for pivots, like every other binding so I'm not sure the turntable has much advantage for the actual release compared to other bindings.
**This post was edited on May 14th 2024 at 2:19:03pm
**This post was edited on May 14th 2024 at 2:21:24pm
scratchskier321it releases on the rotation of the arc, tangent to the point in the arc it's rotated.
officechairAll bindings do this, but with a small amount of friction since they don't rotate.
scratchskier321sure, but thats the difference. they dont rotate.
onenerdykidBut the heel piece of the binding is only going to rotate once the boot toe is out of the binding toe piece, so...
AtticusORI got it pretty cheap as I got it as a factory find + proform.
scratchskier321this isn't true, toe lug can travel like 1cm w/o releasing and during that time the heel can swivel. put the boot into wintersteiger machine and watch the heel tube move while the force is being applied to the toe lug
onenerdykidWhat I mean is, the heel is not going to rotate without the toe rotating too. And when you put any boot/binding into a Wintersteiger test machine, the heel of the boot is rotating out of the heel piece. It's part of how the norm works. The bottom line is that the Pivot range of bindings isn't doing anything to help prevent ACL injuries - Look explicitly say it in all of their material. You have to get a Knee Binding or a Tyrolia Protector for that.
ZenyattaKickHow did you get a proform when you said you aren’t that good at skiing?
SkiEnthusiast420There’s a reason most pro skiers are using pivots. And if they’re not, they’re using something else only because of sponsorship requirements.
bootspacei’ve rode attacks and pivots, would honestly recommend my attacks more (i am also not really good enough for pivot feature to fully function) but the attacks just have a locked in feel that the pivots don’t always have. also attacks are way easier to click in to in varied terrain imo
69Skier69If your pivots don’t feel locked in, the forward pressure is probably too low.
look even instructs technicians not to use the white tab to adjust forward pressure but most still do out of laziness and it can result in a loose heel that has some movement
you can try it yourself by putting your boot in and apply lateral force (with your hands) to the heel. If the heel piece rotates even a bit around the turn table that means it’s too low.
scratchskier321comparing perfectly adjusted attack vs pivot, the attacks do feel more locked into the heel specifically.
PartyBullshiitThey really don’t. A properly adjusted attack with a poorly adjusted pivot would feel more locked in. Both properly adjusted bindings the pivots feel better all day. And yes this is coming from personal experience. Have attacks on my DW 112 and have pivots across various other skis. They’ve been skied back to back on multiple trips. Attacks are fine if that’s all you can afford but let’s not pretend they’re on the same level quality or feeling wise with pivots. They’re not even close.
PartyBullshiitThey really don’t. A properly adjusted attack with a poorly adjusted pivot would feel more locked in. Both properly adjusted bindings the pivots feel better all day. And yes this is coming from personal experience. Have attacks on my DW 112 and have pivots across various other skis. They’ve been skied back to back on multiple trips. Attacks are fine if that’s all you can afford but let’s not pretend they’re on the same level quality or feeling wise with pivots. They’re not even close.
scratchskier321comparing perfectly adjusted attack vs pivot, the attacks do feel more locked into the heel specifically.
69Skier69you're probably not at the ability level to notice a difference between the two, but the pivots are definitely better.
