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Do shovel pulls count as natural speed?

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weastcoat
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Do they? On the same token, do wooden drop-ins? Wooden portable dropins aren’t existing features or resources at a spot, but there’s also no moving parts. Just good ol gravity at use so I think they count.


But what about that one homie who used to slug dingers back in pony league travel ball and can whip you from zero to Mach 2 in one swift swing around the hips with a tuffy? I’d say yeah it still counts cause homies are more accessible than winches or bungees but I want to hear my fellow degenerates’ thoughts.
Apr 7 2024 9:41PM
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Raf.Diaz.
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If you bring a shovel to the spot its not natural #rawstreet #nostarter #nolip
Apr 7 2024 9:58PM
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steezytangerine
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weastcoatDo they? On the same token, do wooden drop-ins? Wooden portable dropins aren’t existing features or resources at a spot, but there’s also no moving parts. Just good ol gravity at use so I think they count.


But what about that one homie who used to slug dingers back in pony league travel ball and can whip you from zero to Mach 2 in one swift swing around the hips with a tuffy? I’d say yeah it still counts cause homies are more accessible than winches or bungees but I want to hear my fellow degenerates’ thoughts.


in my experience 90% of homies can not whip you to mach 2 and get you the sick clip. In my case I still thought i had the speed and caught tips.
Apr 7 2024 10:07PM
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porkch0p
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steezytangerineIn my case I still thought i had the speed and caught tips.

Skill issue
Apr 7 2024 10:25PM
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SteezyYeeter
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imo if there's any human intervention it's not natural, think about skating on flat ground. there's obviously no 'natural speed' on flat ground yet you're gaining speed. so if that's not natural shovel pull def isn't.
Apr 7 2024 11:29PM
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hi_vis360
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if I was describing a spot to somebody as having natty speed that would mean a nice hill

**This post was edited on Apr 8th 2024 at 6:49:24am
Apr 8 2024 6:48AM
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percs
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yes
Apr 8 2024 7:14AM
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-Dan
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If you look at only the word “natural” then intervention of a person would make it unnatural. This means setting up a drop in previously made, making a pile of snow for drop in, rollers, and whatever else is unnatural.

If you look at the whole of “Natural Speed” it is speed caused by nature. And for skiing the only option for that is via gravity. Creating a higher starting point (drop in) requires work before skiing, but the gravity for your speed is natural.

When it comes down to it, the line can blur a little bit without much consequence. Most of the homies who I’ve hit spots with prefer natural speed. It’s one less factor to need to consider during your session.

This is my hierarchy of preference:

1. hill before feature
2. something at the spot to drop in from (ie snow bank)
3. Build a drop in from snow/use a drop-in
4a. Any of the above plus rollers
4b. any of the above plus a shovel pull
5. e winch
6. Bungee
7. car pull in
8. Winch

my personal line for natural speed is after 4a.
Apr 8 2024 9:52AM
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C.R.E.A.M
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The trick is to find a homeless dude sleeping under a nearby bridge and that would be natural because that is an existing feature. Problem solved.
Apr 8 2024 10:46AM
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Farmville420
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I don't think so tbh
Apr 8 2024 11:06AM
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realdealski420
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You should not include clips of your homie pulling you I’m sorry it’s just a tragic look imo. Drop ins are valid and necessary tho.
Apr 8 2024 11:09AM
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partyandBS
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realdealski420You should not include clips of your homie pulling you I’m sorry it’s just a tragic look imo. Drop ins are valid and necessary tho.


id say that too if i didnt have any homies to pull me in either

(i dont 😢)
Apr 8 2024 12:54PM
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Christian_Bale
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Yeah technically you could argue that shovel pulls and wooden drop ins aren't natural because you're not solely using gravity and natural terrain. However, using human muscle or a pile of wood has much more in common with using a natural slope than using a winch, bungee, or car. I think some people get too caught up with the term "natural speed" itself. Ultimately, it's about simplicity, but whether you care or not is totally up to you. All that to say I agree with OP
Apr 8 2024 12:57PM
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melkon
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For me, anything involving gas/electricity is unnatural. Anything else is natural
Apr 8 2024 1:17PM
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Farmville420
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Christian_BaleYeah technically you could argue that shovel pulls and wooden drop ins aren't natural because you're not solely using gravity and natural terrain. However, using human muscle or a pile of wood has much more in common with using a natural slope than using a winch, bungee, or car. I think some people get too caught up with the term "natural speed" itself. Ultimately, it's about simplicity, but whether you care or not is totally up to you. All that to say I agree with OP

I just thought natty speed meant a hill that you can use instead of building a drop, this is like the philosophical justification but if you tell me a spot is natty speed and I show up and have to build a drop in id be pissed lol
Apr 8 2024 1:24PM
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sunsetconoisseur
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realdealski420You should not include clips of your homie pulling you I’m sorry it’s just a tragic look imo. Drop ins are valid and necessary tho.


meh. Id say if its a street clip its valid no matter how speed is acquired. I live on the prairies where there is no such thing as natty speed, and too broke to buy a winch so any street clip I've got has a shovel pull. the trick counts more than the speed. also I must say some b roll of the homies grinding to get the rider speed always is nice in a street part.
Apr 9 2024 12:09AM
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skiermen
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I'm no authority on this matter, but I would say a shovel pull adds to the clip. It makes it a team effort. Same goes for building your own snow hill to gain speed from. It shows commitment and team spirit.

For me, natty speed is any natural slope/stairs/whatever nearby. Using a winch, bungee or car is hitting the juice :)
Apr 9 2024 11:16AM
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SteezyYeeter
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realdealski420You should not include clips of your homie pulling you I’m sorry it’s just a tragic look imo. Drop ins are valid and necessary tho.


what about that one iconic scene from zootspace where the guy gets shovel pulled and then slides a c-rail that's like 4 different rails and then skis into some brush and then a homie comes a hugs him it's during the last song thankss
Apr 9 2024 11:24PM
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Zurg
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What about your dog pulling you into the feature?
Apr 10 2024 7:30PM
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Christian_Bale
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SteezyYeeterwhat about that one iconic scene from zootspace where the guy gets shovel pulled and then slides a c-rail that's like 4 different rails and then skis into some brush and then a homie comes a hugs him it's during the last song thankss

"the guy" lol dont disrespect ian king like that
Apr 11 2024 1:32AM
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hi_vis360
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Christian_Bale"the guy" lol dont disrespect ian king like that


Confirms my theory that nobody knows who Ian king is despite being one of the sickest street skiers of our time
Apr 11 2024 6:11AM
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TOAST.
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Farmville420I just thought natty speed meant a hill that you can use instead of building a drop, this is like the philosophical justification but if you tell me a spot is natty speed and I show up and have to build a drop in id be pissed lol

I like this answer. If someone tells me a feature is natty speed I expect to not have to build or setup a drop in or need anything/anyone to pull me.

If I am watching a video, anything that fits the above criteria also typically looks better. Not tying to dismiss winch shots or anything.
Apr 11 2024 7:05AM
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weastcoat
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hi_vis360Confirms my theory that nobody knows who Ian king is despite being one of the sickest street skiers of our time


Quite ashame.
Apr 11 2024 2:20PM
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skiermen
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Maybe off-topic, but still shovel related. Does it significantly de-value a clip if the jump is pre-made and brought to the spot vs. a neatly shaped 100% snow jump?
Apr 11 2024 2:59PM
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SteezyYeeter
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Christian_Bale"the guy" lol dont disrespect ian king like that

thank you sir 🙏🙏🙏 I will never make that mistake again, praise the KING 🙌

@hi_vis360 I really just can't keep track of everyone, I can recognize some people but I haven't really taken the time to investigate the identity of every clip. but I will know him now!
Apr 11 2024 4:40PM
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Farmville420
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weastcoatQuite ashame.

Private insta and never using name tags in videos doesn't really make it a shame, seems very deliberate, probably wants it that way
Apr 11 2024 5:05PM
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weastcoat
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Farmville420Private insta and never using name tags in videos doesn't really make it a shame, seems very deliberate, probably wants it that way

There’s a list of names at the end of the film
Apr 11 2024 6:58PM
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Farmville420
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weastcoatThere’s a list of names at the end of the film

Already too much work for 90% of people including me lol, I'm not going back and studying fits and matching them to the "in order of appearance" list, then trying to look them up on insta when they all have crazy ass handles that aren't there names and private accounts
Apr 11 2024 7:21PM
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Christian_Bale
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Farmville420Already too much work for 90% of people including me lol, I'm not going back and studying fits and matching them to the "in order of appearance" list, then trying to look them up on insta when they all have crazy ass handles that aren't there names and private accounts

Yeah but if people haven’t seen stain then that’s on them. Plus the zootspace park edits. At that point you don’t have to be a detective to recognize some of the riders
Apr 11 2024 8:53PM
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Farmville420
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Christian_BaleYeah but if people haven’t seen stain then that’s on them. Plus the zootspace park edits. At that point you don’t have to be a detective to recognize some of the riders

When I first found out about Welf it took me a solid 45 minutes of digging to find out who it was, I'm just saying most ppl aren't putting in effort to learn names, just enjoy the vid and move on
Apr 11 2024 10:02PM
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Christian_Bale
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Farmville420When I first found out about Welf it took me a solid 45 minutes of digging to find out who it was, I'm just saying most ppl aren't putting in effort to learn names, just enjoy the vid and move on

Worth the digging for sure. But yeah I feel that, although personally, if I like someone's skiing I'm probably gonna check the names to find out who they are. Usually not hard if I already recognize most of the other skiers in the video
Apr 11 2024 10:54PM
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