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Got my magnus 90s for $550 back in 2019, most of their park skis now kind of seem like a ripoff to me. Who’s anss thought it wwould be a good idea to sell PARK skis for $800+???? Armada jacked the fuck out of the prices and i’m not even sure if they fixed their sidewalls which loved to blow out. Tbh ski prices going up like 40% in only a few years feels like a scam.

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Its because you don't know how to spell "expensive".

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1. Price point. How much is the cost of production and how much your charging. Thats profit. Hand made stuff takes way longer to produce, so less is produced at the same price as labor costs. Price will have to factor that.
2. Quantity. More you make in a factory, the less the unit costs to produce and ship.
3. Perceived value. What does the manufacturer think the value is based on demand and quality. Thats mrsp.
4. Supply chain access. Bigger companies have more capital to invest into bigger production. Long time players have solid partnerships with distributers and can reduce supply chain costs.

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JemsGot my magnus 90s for $550 back in 2019, most of their park skis now kind of seem like a ripoff to me. Who’s anss thought it wwould be a good idea to sell PARK skis for $800+???? Armada jacked the fuck out of the prices and i’m not even sure if they fixed their sidewalls which loved to blow out. Tbh ski prices going up like 40% in only a few years feels like a scam.

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Should I get jemskis instead

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skiermanIts because you don't know how to spell "expensive".

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EvancantspinShould I get jemskis instead

Buy On3p instead

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Ya get what u pay for thats why, Like Icelantics are 800 but you get a 3 year bomb proof warranty.

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JemsGot my magnus 90s for $550 back in 2019, most of their park skis now kind of seem like a ripoff to me. Who’s anss thought it wwould be a good idea to sell PARK skis for $800+???? Armada jacked the fuck out of the prices and i’m not even sure if they fixed their sidewalls which loved to blow out. Tbh ski prices going up like 40% in only a few years feels like a scam.

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Inflation my man, maybe you haven't noticed but everything is 20-40% more now.

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eheathInflation my man, maybe you haven't noticed but everything is 20-40% more now.

I aware. I know nothing about the logistics, supply chain, labor, and material costs associated with ski manufacturing, but I can’t help but feel like it’s a little scammy (i’m probably wrong as hell but idc). More so in Armada’s case, if they didn’t legitimately improve the durability of the ARV then the $150 price mark up is lame. On the bright side the new ARVs do look pretty awesome.

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Rock_InhabitantOn3ps are made in America, they also give their employees actual benefits and good salaries. The skis are also great quality. Skis like Vishnus are made in China by shit-paid workers.

Pretty sure vishnus are made in the DPS factory, and also pretty sure they got HPDE sidewalls which greatly improve the life on the ski whether you’ve got edges or not. Vishnu makes affordable skis and the radical design of the wet is inherently not gonna ensure durability.

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bro i’ll literally send you a pair right now please tell me your address and social security number

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JemsI aware. I know nothing about the logistics, supply chain, labor, and material costs associated with ski manufacturing, but I can’t help but feel like it’s a little scammy (i’m probably wrong as hell but idc). More so in Armada’s case, if they didn’t legitimately improve the durability of the ARV then the $150 price mark up is lame. On the bright side the new ARVs do look pretty awesome.

You live in a fantasy world.

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JemsI aware. I know nothing about the logistics, supply chain, labor, and material costs associated with ski manufacturing, but I can’t help but feel like it’s a little scammy (i’m probably wrong as hell but idc). More so in Armada’s case, if they didn’t legitimately improve the durability of the ARV then the $150 price mark up is lame. On the bright side the new ARVs do look pretty awesome.

child labor ski group reference

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Was thinking the same thing

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Also your twice drilled “custom” ON3Ps with core shots and edge cracks are not worth 500 dollars because you paid 1100 for them new

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eheathYou live in a fantasy world.

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there isnt enough children making skis

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I been selling and working on skis for a lotta years. In terms of the big brands, cost go up, quality go down. K2 is the prime example. I got buddies still on their old Petittors, hellbents, maidens etc. but nowadays k2 group products are the worst victim of shrinkflation. Putting 10 year old skis right beside their modern counterparts is really telling. So if you’ve got skis that are priced way higher than competitors, with few exceptions it’s because their inflation strategy was to increase prices instead of cost cutting their product with cheaper materials and outsourcing manufacturing.

Nowadays consumption in skiing is off the chains. Every year, new graphic, blow out the old ones. That’s reason 1 that you see poachers for 300$.

reason 2 is they’re outsourced. mass produced in China. Cheaper to risk it for the biscuit and have 15% of them blow up than make sure every ski is dialed. Most warrantys are 2 years, and that’s based on the average consumer who skis 14 days a year.

even though I’m grinding planks all day, I still stop to admire when a gorgeous pair comes in. On3ps, J’s, etc. so are they gonna be twice the ski for twice the price? Honestly, yeah. The craftsmanship is second to none. It’s in the details for sure, but you can really feel the difference in trim.

Caveat being, if you hit a big enough rock, the 850$ skis are gonna blow up just the same as the $300 sale pair. So that’s where the point of diminishing returns is. Ideal conditions, I do genuinely believe a pair of 3ps would outlast the poachers by more than double. But if something non-ideal happens, you’re still out double the $.

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eheathInflation my man, maybe you haven't noticed but everything is 20-40% more now.

Bottom line inflation numbers are mostly food, energy, shelter though. Consumer goods prices have not increased that much. You could argue that skis especially those handmade by a domestic manufacturer are luxury goods and therefore not subject to the same price pressures as commodity goods.

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Ok thanks Mr. science

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Lumber up = skis up

Edit: Source https://www.macrotrends.net/2637/lumber-prices-historical-chart-data

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Non_State_ActorBottom line inflation numbers are mostly food, energy, shelter though. Consumer goods prices have not increased that much. You could argue that skis especially those handmade by a domestic manufacturer are luxury goods and therefore not subject to the same price pressures as commodity goods.

Incorrect but good try.

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JemsPretty sure vishnus are made in the DPS factory, and also pretty sure they got HPDE sidewalls which greatly improve the life on the ski whether you’ve got edges or not. Vishnu makes affordable skis and the radical design of the wet is inherently not gonna ensure durability.

*Made in China by the same OEM (GP87) that also builds a portion of DPS's lineup, among other brands

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IsaacNW82*Made in China by the same OEM (GP87) that also builds a portion of DPS's lineup, among other brands

Close enough

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JemsClose enough

I mean the other half of DPS's lineup is actually made in the USA at their own factory, so at least to me the difference is important

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Evancantspinhello ns
can someone explain to me why some skis are way more exspensive than others. Like on3p for example, what goes into their skis to make them so ridiculously exspensive compared to a ski like the poacher that you can find for like 300 new.
That is all have a fantastic weekend
hope everyone goes skiing 😘

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JemsI aware. I know nothing about the logistics, supply chain, labor, and material costs associated with ski manufacturing, but I can’t help but feel like it’s a little scammy (i’m probably wrong as hell but idc). More so in Armada’s case, if they didn’t legitimately improve the durability of the ARV then the $150 price mark up is lame. On the bright side the new ARVs do look pretty awesome.

If their skis weren't selling to their target audience, they wouldn't be priced so high either. Combination of cost to produce and sell as someone mentioned in addition to price elasticity.

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Used ON3Ps are such a joke, like you paid a gazillion dollars and you wanna sell them? Especially customs “I don’t like them” mfer YOU made the ski. Then when you do sell them they’re above $400 with mount holes drilled into the ski and edge cracks.

skierman_jackAlso your twice drilled “custom” ON3Ps with core shots and edge cracks are not worth 500 dollars because you paid 1100 for them new

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skiermanIts because you don't know how to spell "expensive".

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BenchhitterOn3ps, J’s, etc. so are they gonna be twice the ski for twice the price? Honestly, yeah. The craftsmanship is second to none. It’s in the details for sure, but you can really feel the difference in trim.

Are they really though? Not disputing that handmade skis with better materials are gonna be better skis but I doubt they last twice as long. Doesn't seem like any company has an adequate solution to edge cracks from repeatedly hitting rails.

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eheathYou live in a fantasy world.

If he's wrong then someone please explain it to me like I'm an idiot (not far off tbh.) Armadas have gone up significantly in price, even compared to other manufacturers, as far as I know. Does inflation and manufacturing related costs actually account for all of this or are they being greedy to an extent? The latter seems more likely to me

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