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colesimpson
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So I’m new to the world of skiing. Got into park last season(been skiing 3 seasons), and I’m just having so many boot issues. Now that I’m getting more comfortable and throwing bigger tricks, I just fucking hate when my foot moves at all. I’ve sized down from a 26.5 Nordica(so much shin bang). To a 25.5 k2 revolver. Which fit soooooo good at first. Now I’ve packed out the liners and I am CRANKING those jawns tight to keep my foot feeling secure. And it makes them not flex correctly and I have to unbuckle on the lift and constantly adjust throughout the day. They are definitely the right size. So is this something I need to get used to??? I work in a reputable ski shop and my boot fitter keeps just recommending shims and heels lifts which I use. Or a 98 last boot which I don’t really want as there’s no 3 piece wrap liner models which I’ve loved so far.
Feb 29 2024 9:29PM
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switchlip2
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If your foot moving around that and you gotta clamp it down it doesn’t fit. Go see a cped certified bootfitter not some shot out high schooler getting paid minimum wage at a ski shop
Feb 29 2024 9:51PM
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mikem
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Sounds like your liner is packed. Foam will work, new boots/liners will work. Do suggest zipfits.
Feb 29 2024 10:32PM
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colesimpson
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Extra foam doing its best right now. Just only skied this boot 30-40 days and it’s like this already.
mikemSounds like your liner is packed. Foam will work, new boots/liners will work. Do suggest zipfits.
Feb 29 2024 10:34PM
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switchlip2
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mikemSounds like your liner is packed. Foam will work, new boots/liners will work. Do suggest zipfits.


I run zipfits love them so much and while they are the best not everyone can drop that much on a liner. Many other good liners
Feb 29 2024 10:35PM
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colesimpson
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switchlip2I run zipfits love them so much and while they are the best not everyone can drop that much on a liner. Many other good liners


I’ve heard many good things and am interested. My buddy said it fixed all his boot issues. Just worried about going to a normal tounge liner as I only ski park. I’m also not sure if it makes that much of a difference as well?
Feb 29 2024 10:37PM
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mikem
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colesimpsonI’ve heard many good things and am interested. My buddy said it fixed all his boot issues. Just worried about going to a normal tounge liner as I only ski park. I’m also not sure if it makes that much of a difference as well?


Normal tounge liner? What do you mean, what you got for a liner tounge?

also sounds like you know. My advice on em is 1.make sure they fit into your boot. 2. Choose HV or LV based on what you want to do not your boot, if you need to fill space HV might be better but it might be too much space.
Feb 29 2024 10:40PM
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Non_State_Actor
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mikemNormal tounge liner? What do you mean, what you got for a liner tounge?

also sounds like you know. My advice on em is 1.make sure they fit into your boot. 2. Choose HV or LV based on what you want to do not your boot, if you need to fill space HV might be better but it might be too much space.

Wrap?
Seriously OP...let go of the idea that you need three piece boots to ski park, they're not for everyone only a small minority. Don't let that limit your boot choices. If you have a narrow foot there simply aren't any low volume cabrio boots on the market. Roxa *may* be the closest.
@tomPietrowski may have info on an upcoming LV boot boot I can't remember if it's a cabrio.
Feb 29 2024 11:06PM
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Voyage86
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colesimpsonI’ve heard many good things and am interested. My buddy said it fixed all his boot issues. Just worried about going to a normal tounge liner as I only ski park. I’m also not sure if it makes that much of a difference as well?


you don’t need a wrap liner for park, if anything your boot may be slightly softer with a tongue liner but i promise you a zip fit liner will feel way better than what you have now and it wont pack out. if you have the money it’s the way to go. don’t over think wrap vs tongue
Feb 29 2024 11:50PM
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colesimpson
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Voyage86you don’t need a wrap liner for park, if anything your boot may be slightly softer with a tongue liner but i promise you a zip fit liner will feel way better than what you have now and it wont pack out. if you have the money it’s the way to go. don’t over think wrap vs tongue


Great advice. Thank you I just had bad experiences with my Nordicas in the past with a tounge liner. Knowing now the original boot fitter I went to had me in a size to big
Mar 1 2024 12:21AM
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switchlip2
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colesimpsonI’ve heard many good things and am interested. My buddy said it fixed all his boot issues. Just worried about going to a normal tounge liner as I only ski park. I’m also not sure if it makes that much of a difference as well?


Whether you ski park or not does not matter. There is no such thing as a park boot. Getting a zipfit isn’t going to magically make boots that are a size too big fit but the zipfits provide a notable increase in energy transfer especially laterally in the boot like no other liner since they are made out of cork. They take a good couple long ski days to fully break in but once they break in there’s not really any liners that can compete. Just because zipfit is better doesn’t mean you can have a great fit in a stock liner though

**This post was edited on Mar 1st 2024 at 12:33:42am
Mar 1 2024 12:32AM
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TreeJam
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buy full tilts

someone had to say it
Mar 1 2024 12:56AM
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colesimpson
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TreeJambuy full tilts

someone had to say it


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Mar 1 2024 12:57AM
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No-Skill-Phil
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switchlip2Whether you ski park or not does not matter. There is no such thing as a park boot. Getting a zipfit isn’t going to magically make boots that are a size too big fit but the zipfits provide a notable increase in energy transfer especially laterally in the boot like no other liner since they are made out of cork. They take a good couple long ski days to fully break in but once they break in there’s not really any liners that can compete. Just because zipfit is better doesn’t mean you can have a great fit in a stock liner though

**This post was edited on Mar 1st 2024 at 12:33:42am


Zips are not for every fit and certainly won’t fix all your boot issues. I have a pair and really like them though.

In particular, the thing with zip fits is that there is no ‘packing material’ (the cork jelly stuff in this case) at the forefoot. Instead they just have a thinish fleeced neoprene. Not sure if that’s every model but it’s the case for the freeride. I imagine an intuition liner would be better at taking up space at the forefoot.

So I think you should have a dialled shell fit at the front of the boot for them work well. But when they do they feel so good.

And the initial few ride are pretty rough too.
Mar 1 2024 1:21AM
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tomPietrowski
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First thing OP is do you have custom footbeds? If not start here. They will help stabilize your foot and stop a lot of movement in the boot. It’s worth starting here as even if you end up moving boots you can take the footbeds to the new boots. Find a very good boot shop to make the footbeds if you can.

From there if your liner is packed out you can either get a new liner or if the boot shell is not perfect you may find it better to just get a new shell and liner. As for overlap vs 3piece it is somewhat personal preference but there is a reason many of the best skiers choose 3 piece boots as they do offer things overlap can’t.

If you go new liner and like wraps then k2 have a new boa wrap liner coming next season you may want to check out. It will help secure the shin and add some support and stiffness to the cuff. Or intuition wraps are great too. Tongue liners a can work but will offer a different feeling.
Mar 1 2024 3:54AM
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KilaTsunami
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Sounds like a K2 boot to me. They're honestly fancy lookin' junk. We got an order of BOA boots and the first dial turn i did a fuckin screw shot across the room lmao. The first of our warranty claims for this season. Avoid them, and avoid anything Line as well (Besides the booties, those are amazing)

Definitely seek out a proper ski shop with an adult boot fitter and let them show you all your options, dont be afraid to have them bring out multiple pairs, and try two different brands on at a time (one on one foot, one on the other)
Mar 1 2024 5:54PM
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tomPietrowski
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Sorry to hear your problem with a boa boot. Which screw was it which came out? One of the medial guides or the lateral ones? Was the screw stripped or just not installed correctly?
KilaTsunamiSounds like a K2 boot to me. They're honestly fancy lookin' junk. We got an order of BOA boots and the first dial turn i did a fuckin screw shot across the room lmao. The first of our warranty claims for this season. Avoid them, and avoid anything Line as well (Besides the booties, those are amazing)

Definitely seek out a proper ski shop with an adult boot fitter and let them show you all your options, dont be afraid to have them bring out multiple pairs, and try two different brands on at a time (one on one foot, one on the other)
Mar 2 2024 2:40AM
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KilaTsunami
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tomPietrowskiSorry to hear your problem with a boa boot. Which screw was it which came out? One of the medial guides or the lateral ones? Was the screw stripped or just not installed correctly?


Bottom bolt that holds the BOA cable in place. I guess it wasn't fastened right out of the factory?
Mar 2 2024 11:39AM
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tomPietrowski
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KilaTsunamiBottom bolt that holds the BOA cable in place. I guess it wasn't fastened right out of the factory?

Yeah sounds like it. One of the disadvantages of using screws rather than rivets is the potential for that to happen but the positives far outweigh the disadvantages. Were you able to just put the screw back in ok?
Mar 2 2024 2:04PM
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KilaTsunami
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tomPietrowskiYeah sounds like it. One of the disadvantages of using screws rather than rivets is the potential for that to happen but the positives far outweigh the disadvantages. Were you able to just put the screw back in ok?


Nah nobody could get it back in there, its super short so we just sent the whole boot back.
Mar 2 2024 2:12PM
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tomPietrowski
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Oh really? Next time ensure you have the crimped cable end the correct way in the plastic housing. If you have it upside down it can be hard to put it back on I’m guessing that was the issue. Also ensure the star nut is not spinning inside that can be a problem for some people too.
KilaTsunamiNah nobody could get it back in there, it’s super short so we just sent the whole boot back.
Mar 2 2024 2:16PM
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KilaTsunami
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tomPietrowskiOh really? Next time ensure you have the crimped cable end the correct way in the plastic housing. If you have it upside down it can be hard to put it back on I’m guessing that was the issue. Also ensure the star nut is not spinning inside that can be a problem for some people too.


Sweet next time it happens ill give it a whirl lol
Mar 2 2024 3:49PM
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tomPietrowski
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Yeah it’s super easy, the whole system is made so anyone can work on it. If you have problems hit up your rep they will be able to show you how to do it no problem at all.
KilaTsunamiSweet next time it happens ill give it a whirl lol
Mar 2 2024 4:13PM
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