Sego Big Horn 106 Replacement

trvp_angel bought everyones sego big horn he might know.

Jeffrey sounds how you described how you skied. its not a directional ski at all but is super pivoty. Havn't skiied a big horn but skiied the jeff, id say its not too bad at charging. Its def not like a real charger but i wouldnt say it gets tossed around at all.

mikemtrvp_angel bought everyones sego big horn he might know.

Jeffrey sounds how you described how you skied. its not a directional ski at all but is super pivoty. Havn't skiied a big horn but skiied the jeff, id say its not too bad at charging. Its def not like a real charger but i wouldnt say it gets tossed around at all.

Thanks for the info dude. Would you say you can drive the Jeffrey a bit if you want, lean into the front a bit?

**This post was edited on Feb 26th 2024 at 11:18:26pm

Jeffrey holds up in set up PNW chunder.

I haven't skied the newest Jeffreys but the Big Horn skis were pretty clearly based on the Kartel/Jeffrey family. It's been a while, but from what I remember, despite being lighter (?), the Jeffreys feel a little more composed than the Big Horns but they are definitely very similar styles of ski.

Line Optic 104 has a totally different feel. Much more locked in and directional.

Rossi sender free 110. Just skied it in my pursuit for a new ski and its hands down one of the best skis I have ridden. Surfy and with all that metal you can send it into the most hideous moguls. Can also lay a mean carve. Took everything I liked from the bent 110 and made it better. More stable and more big mountian sender vibes. Deff worth a look. Can be mounted -2 rec thats -5.5 true center.

Wicked, cheers all, helpful info

Sounds like the fat-ypus M5 with athlete stiffness would be close. They’re in 188 too. There’s a deal on them rn look em up

dwt802Sounds like the fat-ypus M5 with athlete stiffness would be close. They’re in 188 too. There’s a deal on them rn look em up

The BH106 was a floppy ski, extremely fun and versatile but not stiff. I'm surprised OP comments on carving and charging on the big horn. I found it to be very predictable and in that way confidence inspiring but mostly it's a super fun rockered, pivoty, slarvey, jibby kind of all mountain freestyle ski with very good float in soft snow for it's width. I think the Jeffrey is probably the closest on the market currently.

We should petition those folks that remade the Hellbent (Heritage Ski Lab?) to do a run of Big Horn 106.

Non_State_ActorThe BH106 was a floppy ski, extremely fun and versatile but not stiff. I'm surprised OP comments on carving and charging on the big horn. I found it to be very predictable and in that way confidence inspiring but mostly it's a super fun rockered, pivoty, slarvey, jibby kind of all mountain freestyle ski with very good float in soft snow for it's width. I think the Jeffrey is probably the closest on the market currently.

We should petition those folks that remade the Hellbent (Heritage Ski Lab?) to do a run of Big Horn 106.

I’ve been told that the M5 with athlete stiffness will charge almost as hard as Kartels would. Seems similar to the big horn and I’d class all of these skis together in a way personally.

dwt802I’ve been told that the M5 with athlete stiffness will charge almost as hard as Kartels would. Seems similar to the big horn and I’d class all of these skis together in a way personally.

Cool, I'm not very familiar with Fatypus...when I saw 20% increase in stiffness for the athlete flex I thought that would probably be way stiffer the the big horn.

Cheers for the feedback all, and I'll have a look at that Fatypus mentioned.

Interesting you found the Big Horn on the softer side. I guess chargey is relative. I've never been on a big all mountain directional charger like the Cochise, but I found the Big Horn more capable at speed than the old QST, 184 Deathwish and Wildcat 101, which are the other "all mountains" I've had time on. I had the black ops 118 for a season and it was nuclear fast in chop, but I rarely got deep enough pow days to warrant it over a mid fat 🤷‍♂️, and the big horn was still good going fast in set up snow for me. I also have an older Brahma, and while the BH didn't carve groomers as well as that ski, it was still plenty fun for my tastes.

A real shame they went under. I've bumped into a few other Big Horn users in the wild and we were all raving mad about them. A remake project would be quality.

Non_State_ActorThe BH106 was a floppy ski, extremely fun and versatile but not stiff. I'm surprised OP comments on carving and charging on the big horn. I found it to be very predictable and in that way confidence inspiring but mostly it's a super fun rockered, pivoty, slarvey, jibby kind of all mountain freestyle ski with very good float in soft snow for it's width. I think the Jeffrey is probably the closest on the market currently.

We should petition those folks that remade the Hellbent (Heritage Ski Lab?) to do a run of Big Horn 106.

https://heritagelabskis.com/ The one thing thats annoying is aside from the hellbent idk what the others are.
The FR 132 has got to be a joke. 69m turn radius. BRUH, how do you even determine the radius of a reverse sidecut ski.

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ShredtheGnarSlayCheers for the feedback all, and I'll have a look at that Fatypus mentioned.

Interesting you found the Big Horn on the softer side. I guess chargey is relative. I've never been on a big all mountain directional charger like the Cochise, but I found the Big Horn more capable at speed than the old QST, 184 Deathwish and Wildcat 101, which are the other "all mountains" I've had time on. I had the black ops 118 for a season and it was nuclear fast in chop, but I rarely got deep enough pow days to warrant it over a mid fat 🤷‍♂️, and the big horn was still good going fast in set up snow for me. I also have an older Brahma, and while the BH didn't carve groomers as well as that ski, it was still plenty fun for my tastes.

A real shame they went under. I've bumped into a few other Big Horn users in the wild and we were all raving mad about them. A remake project would be quality.

I've never really used big stiff chargers either. I was on the 176 big horn which is my natural size... I'm 5'8"ish and 140-150 for reference. The big horns were quite composed at speed for sure but I definitely feel like the Deathwish (which I own now) is chargy-er. Just a subtle difference in opinion I'd guess, overall I'd say those two skis are more similar than they are different.

Have you ever been on the Icelantic Nomad 105?

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2024 at 11:41:39am

Non_State_ActorHave you ever been on the Icelantic Nomad 105?

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2024 at 11:41:39am

Uhhhh, last time I checked that was a noodle.

BallClapperUhhhh, last time I checked that was a noodle.

Have you been on it? The specs, rocker profile, build, weight are very similar to the Big Horn 106.

https://soothski.com/compare/?_values_&selected_rows=5256&tab=%22Compare%22
It looks pretty middle of the road stiffness-wise. Unfortunately no Sego skis on the sooth ski.com comparison engine.

Non_State_ActorI've never really used big stiff chargers either. I was on the 176 big horn which is my natural size... I'm 5'8"ish and 140-150 for reference. The big horns were quite composed at speed for sure but I definitely feel like the Deathwish (which I own now) is chargy-er. Just a subtle difference in opinion I'd guess, overall I'd say those two skis are more similar than they are different.

Have you ever been on the Icelantic Nomad 105?

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2024 at 11:41:39am

Not been on the Nomads no. They look fairly similar specs wise though.

And agreed on the deathwish / Big Horn. Similar enough overall, and both awesome skis, but I prefer something slightly narrower than the DW as my daily.

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2024 at 4:06:01pm

ShredtheGnarSlayCheers for the feedback all, and I'll have a look at that Fatypus mentioned.

Interesting you found the Big Horn on the softer side. I guess chargey is relative. I've never been on a big all mountain directional charger like the Cochise, but I found the Big Horn more capable at speed than the old QST, 184 Deathwish and Wildcat 101, which are the other "all mountains" I've had time on. I had the black ops 118 for a season and it was nuclear fast in chop, but I rarely got deep enough pow days to warrant it over a mid fat 🤷‍♂️, and the big horn was still good going fast in set up snow for me. I also have an older Brahma, and while the BH didn't carve groomers as well as that ski, it was still plenty fun for my tastes.

A real shame they went under. I've bumped into a few other Big Horn users in the wild and we were all raving mad about them. A remake project would be quality.

Looks like Sego did update this ski in the middle of the production making it stiffer and slightly heavier...do you know what year yours were?

Non_State_ActorLooks like Sego did update this ski in the middle of the production making it stiffer and slightly heavier...do you know what year yours were?

Mine were the 21/ 22 season model. Think they were 2150g a ski

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2024 at 4:11:07pm

ShredtheGnarSlayMine were the 21/ 22 season model. Think they were 2150g a ski

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2024 at 4:11:07pm

That probably explains the difference, I was on the 18/19? Or 19/20? The orangey red ones with the deer skull topsheet, which was softer.

Non_State_ActorThat probably explains the difference, I was on the 18/19? Or 19/20? The orangey red ones with the deer skull topsheet, which was softer.

Haha yeah, that would do it. They definitely had more mustard than the older version per blister etc.

Non_State_ActorHave you been on it? The specs, rocker profile, build, weight are very similar to the Big Horn 106.

Still a noodle. Haven't ridden big horns.

ShredtheGnarSlayCheers for the feedback all, and I'll have a look at that Fatypus mentioned.

Interesting you found the Big Horn on the softer side. I guess chargey is relative. I've never been on a big all mountain directional charger like the Cochise, but I found the Big Horn more capable at speed than the old QST, 184 Deathwish and Wildcat 101, which are the other "all mountains" I've had time on. I had the black ops 118 for a season and it was nuclear fast in chop, but I rarely got deep enough pow days to warrant it over a mid fat 🤷‍♂️, and the big horn was still good going fast in set up snow for me. I also have an older Brahma, and while the BH didn't carve groomers as well as that ski, it was still plenty fun for my tastes.

A real shame they went under. I've bumped into a few other Big Horn users in the wild and we were all raving mad about them. A remake project would be quality.

My second pair of Big Horn 106s just blew up on me - I had the older softer ones and the newer 21/22 stiffer ones (purple top sheets). I felt really similarly about them, just the perfect combo of charge, slashy/slarvy, not punishing, and amazing in the air. I also ride Black Ops 118 as a pow ski and like them for many of the same reasons, but sometimes end up pushing them too hard and folding the fronts in chop/hardpack. Very bummed about Sego going under, I have not ridden as many skis as you but the Big Horns have definitely been my favorite skis that I've been on.

I tried Woodsman 108s, but found them to be much more planted, much less pivoty, more punishing, and less alive at slower speeds than I prefer. They seem to require a much more forward/less centered stance than I'm used to on the Big Horns, it didn't take much to really feel like you were "driving" the Big Horns. So, I'm back to the drawing board, this time looking for as close of a replacement to the Big Horn as possible. @ShredtheGnarSlay I'm wondering what ski you ended up getting to replace yours? You mind sharing your spreadsheet?

I've been mostly considering a Jeffrey 108 or an MFree 108 (192cm, mounted +3 for recc). Jeffs seem to be the consensus closest comparison to the BH, but I am a little nervous from my experience the Woodsman - can anyone comment on how similar these skis feel? The MFrees also seem like a close comparison to BHs in the loose/pivoty/surfy department, but I feel a little weird mounting a directional ski so far forward and am nervous about fighting the sidecut and making the ski feel weird. Also concerned that it may have the "directional" tendencies that prevented me from getting along with the Woodsman. Anyone have any experience with both the MFree & Big Horn and able to make a comparison?

jwvMy second pair of Big Horn 106s just blew up on me - I had the older softer ones and the newer 21/22 stiffer ones (purple top sheets). I felt really similarly about them, just the perfect combo of charge, slashy/slarvy, not punishing, and amazing in the air. I also ride Black Ops 118 as a pow ski and like them for many of the same reasons, but sometimes end up pushing them too hard and folding the fronts in chop/hardpack. Very bummed about Sego going under, I have not ridden as many skis as you but the Big Horns have definitely been my favorite skis that I've been on.

I tried Woodsman 108s, but found them to be much more planted, much less pivoty, more punishing, and less alive at slower speeds than I prefer. They seem to require a much more forward/less centered stance than I'm used to on the Big Horns, it didn't take much to really feel like you were "driving" the Big Horns. So, I'm back to the drawing board, this time looking for as close of a replacement to the Big Horn as possible. @ShredtheGnarSlay I'm wondering what ski you ended up getting to replace yours? You mind sharing your spreadsheet?

I've been mostly considering a Jeffrey 108 or an MFree 108 (192cm, mounted +3 for recc). Jeffs seem to be the consensus closest comparison to the BH, but I am a little nervous from my experience the Woodsman - can anyone comment on how similar these skis feel? The MFrees also seem like a close comparison to BHs in the loose/pivoty/surfy department, but I feel a little weird mounting a directional ski so far forward and am nervous about fighting the sidecut and making the ski feel weird. Also concerned that it may have the "directional" tendencies that prevented me from getting along with the Woodsman. Anyone have any experience with both the MFree & Big Horn and able to make a comparison?

Hey mate. I feel you on the Big Horn. I think it was a genuinely awesome ski that didn't get the hype it warranted tbh. Good to know about your experience with the Woodsman, that was my concern when considering it.

So I picked up a pair of Wildcat 108s in 184cm and I do not like them much at all, which I was surprised by. The TLDR is that I think they are too light and too stiff for how I like to ride, so they offer less suspension, feel twitchy and harsh to me, and can't be pushed in the same range of conditions as I could the BH. They are good when the snow is soft but still prefer the BH there too. I thought stiff would be better, but for me it just feels like they don't absorb stuff as well.

I wrote about this in the Praxis thread on TGR, as upon more research, I wanted to know more about the Praxis MVP 108 as it has very similar specs to the BG. For what it is worth, another skier there had a very similar experience to me with Wildcat 108s and likes the MVP 108 much more for the qualities I am looking for: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/353893-Praxis-Skis-Needs-Your-Support/page8

I feel more comfortable taking a punt on the Praxis than Jeffries (which I was also considering) as the Jeffrey has similar weight and stiffness specs to the Wildcat 108, which I think were two key factors in me not getting on with it too well.

So all that said, I am likely to pull the trigger on some Praxis MVP 108s. However, I probs won't have them on snow for a good few weeks so won't be able to report back for a while.

Here is the spreadsheet I made. Note that Blister doesn't have flex numbers for the newer MVPs, but speaking to the manufacturer and people on TGR, I think they are a little softer than the Wildcats, and are defs a good deal heavier.

**This post was edited on Mar 24th 2024 at 1:04:33am

ShredtheGnarSlayHey mate. I feel you on the Big Horn. I think it was a genuinely awesome ski that didn't get the hype it warranted tbh. Good to know about your experience with the Woodsman, that was my concern when considering it.

So I picked up a pair of Wildcat 108s in 184cm and I do not like them much at all, which I was surprised by. The TLDR is that I think they are too light and too stiff for how I like to ride, so they offer less suspension, feel twitchy and harsh to me, and can't be pushed in the same range of conditions as I could the BH. They are good when the snow is soft but still prefer the BH there too. I thought stiff would be better, but for me it just feels like they don't absorb stuff as well.

I wrote about this in the Praxis thread on TGR, as upon more research, I wanted to know more about the Praxis MVP 108 as it has very similar specs to the BG. For what it is worth, another skier there had a very similar experience to me with Wildcat 108s and likes the MVP 108 much more for the qualities I am looking for: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/353893-Praxis-Skis-Needs-Your-Support/page8

I feel more comfortable taking a punt on the Praxis than Jeffries (which I was also considering) as the Jeffrey has similar weight and stiffness specs to the Wildcat 108, which I think were two key factors in me not getting on with it too well.

So all that said, I am likely to pull the trigger on some Praxis MVP 108s. However, I probs won't have them on snow for a good few weeks so won't be able to report back for a while.

Here is the spreadsheet I made. Note that Blister doesn't have flex numbers for the newer MVPs, but speaking to the manufacturer and people on TGR, I think they are a little softer than the Wildcats, and are defs a good deal heavier.

**This post was edited on Mar 24th 2024 at 1:04:33am

I've been on MVP 108 most of the winter, in addition to the DW 104, Jeff 100, and Chipotle Banana. The stated weight on Praxis' and Moment's websites have the MVP 108 and WC 108 around the same weight. Additionally, from hand flexing both skis, I think the MVP 108 is actually just a bit stiffer than the WC 108. I haven't been on the WC 108, but imagine they are similar skis with the MVP 108 maybe more freeride and the WC 108 maybe more freestyle (albeit I am not sure folks would get one on vs the other and say yes this one is clearly this vs that).

I think the Jeff 108, in comparison to the MVP 108 and WC 108, is even more towards the freestyle side of freeride ski spectrum. If the Jeff 108 is similar to the Jeff 100 I've been on, it'll be a bit more damp/planted than the MVP 108 and WC 108 due to the bamboo core. That bamboo core also results in one being able to really spring off side hits and jumps. I found I could easily get air off the smallest side hit with the Jeff 100. I am not sure I ever felt the Jeff 100 to be chargy. It may feel that way to the freestyle crowd due to how heavy and damp it is vs other skis they've been on. It's not at all like a real charger.

Overall: Freeride - MVP 108 > WC 108 > Jeff 108 - Freestyle

It sounds like the BH 106 could fit somewhere between the WC 108 and Jeff 108.

Thought I'd update this for the peeps out there trying to replace their Big Horns.

I've had a few days on my Praxis MVP 108s now in 187cm, and I really like them (much prefer to the Wildcat 108) I find them more stable, less harsh, and more predictable than my Wildcat 108 184s. That said, they are not a total like for like replacement for the Sego Big Horn.

The Praxis is notably stiffer and feels a bit more locked in than the Big Horn. It's still maneuverable and predictable, but isn't as loose as the BH. Feels like it has a bit more edge overall, but this could just be a byproduct of the flex.

The upside is better stability. The MVP trucks through set up snow better than the BH, and can be driven harder through the front of the boot.

The Praxis feels better making big stable long carves while the Big Horn would pop you out of a turn more and can be bent easier.

I would also say the Praxis has the edge in terms of conditions versatility. The BH was good here, but I've found the praxis better in firm conditions, and more chargey in set up snow as mentioned. I've not had it in any fresh snow more than a few inches it has to be said.

I think the Praxis feels a little bit heavier in terms of swing weight somehow. Feels less poppy too. I don't ski switch much but both seem good at it. I'm not a freestyle pro so take this paragraph with a grain of salt.

Build quality on the MVPs is honestly phenomenal. Top sheet finish is super sturdy, bases have taken a couple hits with no dings. Better than the Sego for sure.

Overall if you like to spin and pop about all over the place, and really prioritize that + maneuverability of the Big Horn, you might not love the Praxis as much.

However if you prioritize skiing fast while having a ski that is versatile, still maneuverable, and still playful, you might even prefer the Praxis over your deceased Big Horns.

**This post was edited on May 7th 2024 at 12:07:13am

I'm in the same boat as OP here. One of my favorite things about the BHs was their symmetrical rocker profile.
I'm considering Vishnu wide +s to scratch that itch. Wondering if anyone has been on both of those skis.
Really curious about the mfree 112 for next year too, looks a little less directional than the 108 and comes in 189.
K2 Reckoner 112s could be a good option but they explode

Also I have never had a ski with worse build quality than my whitedot altum 94s.

I’ll echo the 188cm M5 athlete stiffness being worth consideration. I think a lot of people will like that ski. It’s quite stable despite being light. I can’t speak for the regular flex version though.

ShredtheGnarSlayI snapped my Sego Big Horn 106 187cm irreparably this weekend :(

I really loved this ski, and want to replace it as closely as possible, but Sego went bust. I did ski the Big Horn quite directionally and chargey, but I loved how pivoty and maneuverable it was in tight spots, not at all punishing if I got sloppy, could carve well, great in the air. I would throw the occasional spin or ski switch for short stints, but ski mostly forward. It could thrash through set up snow but also bounce about and be fun. Whole mountain, playground, etc.

I'm a nerd so I made a spreadhseet of skis with similar specs.

ON3P Jeffries in 186 seem pretty close, but they are lighter and I don't want to give up stability. Woodsmans look great but may be a fair bit more directional and less maneuverable, and Blister have no info on ON3P skis of late so not much to go on.

I think I'm between sizes on Moment Wildcats.184 lighter and shorter, 190 same weight but longer and less maneuverable.

Whitedot Altum 104 looks pretty close but is lighter and sounds less stable.

Line Optic 104 graphic looks like utter trash, unfortunately.

Anyone skied the Big Horn vs any of these or other skis? Also anyone got info on how the newer versions of the Jeffrey hold up to charging in variable snow despite the lighter weight of the newer models?

**This thread was edited on Feb 26th 2024 at 8:50:31pm

Ive skied the 186 Jeffery 106 and the 187 Woodsman 108, You can most definitely tell the difference when riding on them, the pivoty/smeary jeffery is wayyy more playful, especially the tails. I found myself switching from the jeffery to the woodsman attempting the same maneuvers and getting hung up. However, the on-piste carves/long arching turns of the woodsman were almost unrepeatable on the jefferys for me. I also ski the 186 jeffery 116 and they are somehow more responsive than the 108s (could be user bias)