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bch.skis
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I was up with my friends out of my local when a swarm of 8 year olds pop up in the park with their instructor telling them to go side hit everything. Since when do instructors act like this?
Feb 26 2024 10:12AM
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FailedCork
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Fr I’ve been noticing that a lot lately what is going on with the instructors????
Feb 26 2024 11:59AM
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PartyBullshiit
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Dudes over in beaver creek were having the little kids go wild. It was really fun to see the little kids getting air.
Feb 26 2024 12:30PM
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BallClapper
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Idk, thats super goofy. First time I take a crew into the park I give them the smart blurb and quiz them at the end. Never had a kid do dumb shit, even out of class.
Feb 26 2024 1:12PM
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skiP.E.I.
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That situation sounds pretty irresponsible.
In Canada intructors aren't allowed to bring kids in the park unless they are certified to teach park lessons.
Sometimes the kids get really antsy to go in the park and a park qualified instructor might take them through as a treat.
Even if you're teaching a park lesson and teaching the kids about etiquette and everything they may still get really excited and just jump off whatever they see because little kids aren't always great at regulating their behaviour.
Feb 26 2024 1:15PM
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eheath
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Most ski instructors are just trying to kill time, i always seen a horde of kids going down the steep moguled out runs and its gotta be just to kill time.
Feb 26 2024 2:47PM
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Dobbyda
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bch.skisI was up with my friends out of my local when a swarm of 8 year olds pop up in the park with their instructor telling them to go side hit everything. Since when do instructors act like this?


In my experience, the blizzard ski school guys come to troll and send their kids to the terrain park while they chat about Peruvian coffee or something
Feb 26 2024 3:13PM
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PartyBullshiit
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eheathMost ski instructors are just trying to kill time, i always seen a horde of kids going down the steep moguled out runs and its gotta be just to kill time.

Bro always entertaining seeing those little kids fly down the moguls with no poles. Lol
Feb 26 2024 3:14PM
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eheath
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PartyBullshiitBro always entertaining seeing those little kids fly down the moguls with no poles. Lol


i think kids enjoy it too, to be fair, but the kids dont care they just wanna shred
Feb 26 2024 3:15PM
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PartyBullshiit
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eheathi think kids enjoy it too, to be fair, but the kids dont care they just wanna shred


Oh forsure. The kids always are having a blast. Even when they crash. Like 90% of the time their laughing their ass off.
Feb 26 2024 3:18PM
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SofaKingSick
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never understood why people complain about people side hitting stuff. pure wannabe nonsense
Feb 26 2024 3:23PM
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dshiland
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I dont mind instructors going through the park with kids because its fun and different for the kids especially at small hills where there arent a t9n of runs but yesterday at pico which has 3 tiny jumps a older instructor was rolling over every jump. I wish they atleast knew park etiquette
Feb 26 2024 3:34PM
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ajbski
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I am a CSIA lvl 3 with park cert. I have air 1, 2, and park and pipe cert from freestyle ontario

I was once running a weekend park course for axis freestyle academy out of mslm.
There were literally no pre-requisites for parents to sign up their kids. I would have a group of 10 8 - 14 year old some of which could barely ski parallel.

For the first half of the program, I just taught them skiing technique. didn't even go into the busy park on weekends. Parents of the better kids would then bitch to me about the course being for park and freestyle and the entire program should be only in the park.

After that I would take them into the large pipe at the outback (that no one would ride in a serious manner on busy weekends anyways) and get them popping 180s and riding switch. it was fun and engaging for all of the kids no matter their skill level. kind of pick your adventure.

Sorry if i got in your way or ruined your day. but i made sure everyone is following park etiquette, and not doiing anything obviously dangerous.


Anyways,

I think instructors are more likely to take kids/students into a park if there isnt any engaging beginner terrain available. Lake luoise used to groom a mini pipe in the carpet area and fun rollers to keep people interested and out of the park.

Also Small/medium parks tend to be pretty flat and have some easy terrain to navigate. it shouldnt be an issue as long as people are following park etiquette. Jumping of the side of rail lips i would already draw the line.
Feb 26 2024 3:39PM
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GayWolf420
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eheathMost ski instructors are just trying to kill time, i always seen a horde of kids going down the steep moguled out runs and its gotta be just to kill time.


Honestly this sometimes. At least when I coached on the freeride team in PC, we'd kill tons of time lapping all the Medium parks at PC/Canyons when upper MTN skiing was dogshit. Plus it gives kids an opportunity to work on air awareness and learn tricks.
Feb 26 2024 3:42PM
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SofaKingSick
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ajbskiI am a CSIA lvl 3 with park cert. I have air 1, 2, and park and pipe cert


how high do you have to boost to get your pipe cert?
Feb 26 2024 3:56PM
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IsaacNW82
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SofaKingSicknever understood why people complain about people side hitting stuff. pure wannabe nonsense


Honestly as long as they're following etiquette otherwise I agree. Like the real problem isn't the side hitting, its the associated obliviously cutting people off going into the feature that's annoying
Feb 26 2024 5:27PM
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bch.skis
Posts: 22 - Karma: 95
SofaKingSicknever understood why people complain about people side hitting stuff. pure wannabe nonsense


It’s not abt the side hitting more stupid shit that either messes up lips or gets them hurt or unsafe
Feb 26 2024 7:07PM
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bch.skis
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IsaacNW82Honestly as long as they're following etiquette otherwise I agree. Like the real problem isn't the side hitting, its the associated obliviously cutting people off going into the feature that's annoying

fs but the side hitting fucks up lips which is annoying asl
Feb 26 2024 7:10PM
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ajbski
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SofaKingSickhow high do you have to boost to get your pipe cert?


My evaluation didnt spend too much time in the pipe. We literally did 1 lap. I cant remember all the pass criteria perfectly, but we had to demonstrate a good body position at all times, no speed checks/scrubbing, good edges between hits/good line choice, pumping using fore/aft balance arm swings and pushing into the transition, 180 and 360 up and down the pipe, sw 180 up and down the pipe (down the pipe they wanted you to look over your uphill shoulder, felt really sketchy for me) and i think you had to show atleast one 540 or even just a safe attempt at one.

on the day of our evaluation, one side of the pipe was straight up ice. most of us didnt really go past the deck.

also this was back in like 2017/18. i dont know how much has changed since.
Feb 26 2024 7:38PM
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IsaacNW82
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bch.skisfs but the side hitting fucks up lips which is annoying asl


Yea thats definitely true, but so does hitting the feature correctly, anything made of snow's gonna wear down with use.

My hot take here is parks should build (in addition to a legit park setup) a couple tiny shitty jumps for all the kids, like literally a jump line of basically rail lips without the rails. I'd bet money that'd be hugely popular, and it *should* ease the traffic on the actual rail features. I think if everyone of all skill levels has their own place to do their thing, everything just works way smoother
Feb 26 2024 7:50PM
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bch.skis
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IsaacNW82Yea thats definitely true, but so does hitting the feature correctly, anything made of snow's gonna wear down with use.

My hot take here is parks should build (in addition to a legit park setup) a couple tiny shitty jumps for all the kids, like literally a jump line of basically rail lips without the rails. I'd bet money that'd be hugely popular, and it *should* ease the traffic on the actual rail features. I think if everyone of all skill levels has their own place to do their thing, everything just works way smoother


that’s true asl my local normally has a park that they call baby park or Jerry park that has really small lips into a landing that’s almost flat as well as big boxes and shit.
Feb 26 2024 8:15PM
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Dani-B
Posts: 235 - Karma: 2,039
Beaver Valley (in ON but unlike MSLM, it's private) has this great progression feature not in the park. It's just a 1' gentle ridge running down the middle of the top half of a Blue run. Painted and everything. Great for people looking to get confident at getting air without clogging up a park for side-hits, as its basically an endless side hit. I know I appreciate it when I get to ski there!

Don't know if you knew ajbski, but MSLM hasn't had a pipe since COVID. No cross course in recent years either, that thing was a hoot. I think there was last one in 2019 or 2020?
Feb 26 2024 9:39PM
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LOOK_at_me
Posts: 254 - Karma: 2,215
I work as park staff at my local and an instructor lectured his kid for hitting the side hit in the park. I understand that the rollers are great terrain to learn on and I am very pleased with the instructor. #blessed
Feb 27 2024 8:27AM
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jimbobs
Posts: 286 - Karma: 2,682
IsaacNW82Yea thats definitely true, but so does hitting the feature correctly, anything made of snow's gonna wear down with use.

My hot take here is parks should build (in addition to a legit park setup) a couple tiny shitty jumps for all the kids, like literally a jump line of basically rail lips without the rails. I'd bet money that'd be hugely popular, and it *should* ease the traffic on the actual rail features. I think if everyone of all skill levels has their own place to do their thing, everything just works way smoother


My buddy worked park crew at BMBW years ago and they built a rail lip without a rail one season. It became the most popular feature in the entire park.
Feb 27 2024 9:14AM
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Celery
Posts: 2007 - Karma: 24,631
ajbskiI think instructors are more likely to take kids/students into a park if there isnt any engaging beginner terrain available. Lake luoise used to groom a mini pipe in the carpet area and fun rollers to keep people interested and out of the park.

Also Small/medium parks tend to be pretty flat and have some easy terrain to navigate. it shouldnt be an issue as long as people are following park etiquette. Jumping of the side of rail lips i would already draw the line.

This is such a valid point I feel like so many resorts miss. A few are lucky to have it naturally occurring (Like Dell Valley at SSV) but most east coast resorts need to put in a little more effort. Sugarloaf has a great little run called Moose Alley with some banked turns and mellow trees which seems to be a hit with the kiddos.
Feb 27 2024 3:44PM
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