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Atomic E5 w/ Marker M28V. Should these skis ride?

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frosttex
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Hi Newschoolers, I have the opportunity to get these skis for $50 bucks. Getting for a beginner, 3rd year skier, 12yo, 5'6", 120#. Atomic E5 Beta, with Marker M28V. The bindings need to be moved to accommodate a smaller boot buy about 3/4" or so. They look to me to be in good shape, with sharp edges, not beat up. The seller said they were 5 years old, tho they look older. The bindings look in good shape but definitely used and entry level for sure. They appear to operate but need some lube too. Will they be worth getting the bindings moved and used for a few years until her skill level increases? Any obvious danger. We want to take them to the shop before using and get them tuned/waxed.
Feb 10 2024 7:42PM
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Non_State_Actor
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Probably not. I'm afraid the bindings will not be serviceable. It will also cost a minimum of $60 to remount.

Where are you located? I'm sure there are better deals to be had.

For a tween something with system/track/demo bindings which are fully adjustable are going to make more sense.
Feb 10 2024 9:07PM
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Non_State_Actor
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frosttexHi Newschoolers, I have the opportunity to get these skis for $50 bucks. Getting for a beginner, 3rd year skier, 12yo, 5'6", 120#. Atomic E5 Beta, with Marker M28V. The bindings need to be moved to accommodate a smaller boot buy about 3/4" or so. They look to me to be in good shape, with sharp edges, not beat up. The seller said they were 5 years old, tho they look older. The bindings look in good shape but definitely used and entry level for sure. They appear to operate but need some lube too. Will they be worth getting the bindings moved and used for a few years until her skill level increases? Any obvious danger. We want to take them to the shop before using and get them tuned/waxed.


I know this is a big jump in cost but I'm looking at budget setups for a 12yo young lady?, something you can get a couple years out of and then resell for at least 50% of your expenditure.

At about $300 you could do a combo of either:
162cm Majesty Adventure W
https://www.sierra.com/majesty-skis-adventure-alpine-skis~p~2mwkk/?filterString=s~skis%2Factivities~d~14342%2Fsnow-sports~d~14343%2Fskis~d~9694%2F&merch=prod-rec-prod-prod2MWKK

Or a 158cm Liberty Genesis 96

https://www.sierra.com/liberty-skis-2023-genesis-96-alpine-skis-for-women~p~2hnwp/?filterString=s~skis%2Factivities~d~14342%2Fsnow-sports~d~14343%2Fskis~d~9694%2F&merch=prod-rec-prod-prod2HNWP

And these Tyrolia Attack 11 bindings:

https://www.corbetts.com/2023-head-attack-11-gw-ski-binding/

That price is in CAD so just over $100 USD and they ship to the US free.

Both skis are all-mountain skis that are going to be accessible but also provide room for advancement. Both from smaller companies that produce quality products.

I've been searching around for deals on kids gear for years having two of my own. Try to make friends with some other ski families so you can get together each autumn and do a mini gear swap.
Feb 10 2024 9:32PM
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frosttex
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I’m near Austin, going to Santa Fe next weekend. Wanting to find something special for this trip.
@Non_State_Actor Thanks for the reply. No way I couod get the skis from Sierra that fast but I could prolly find some bindings and get them mounted there. Everything usually last minute. Are the skis worth the effort to rebind? We may luck into something end of season sale in Santa Fe too.
Feb 10 2024 10:13PM
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tdollo
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No ski shop will touch that. Doesn't mean its trash but its not far from it. If the binding isn't on this list then pass on it https://www.skibum.net/do-it-up/gear-guide/indemnified-bindings/
Feb 10 2024 11:17PM
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onenerdykid
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Absolutely not worth it. You are paying $50 for what is essentially garbage. The 2003 model year ski is not the problem, but the binding is.

The thing with bindings is that shops are legally not allowed to work on bindings that are no longer indemnified. If they do, it exposes themselves to incredible legal risk. And a binding that is this old is going to be a severe risk to your child's knees, hips, and legs. Even if things appear to operate and might need some lube, they are not worth the deal vs. your child's well-being and safety.

You will need to buy new bindings or at least used bindings that are on the indemnification list and then pay for a binding mount & binding test. You are better off getting a different ski & binding.
Feb 11 2024 9:29AM
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BallClapper
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Those bindings are trash and that is one piece of kit you should NEVER cheap out on. By all means find banger deals on newer gear but something that old could cause some serious damage. How much does a knee replacement/ surgery cost?
Feb 11 2024 9:39AM
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frosttex
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Ok. I get it. 4 years or older is pretty much not going to get serviced,
and who doesn’t like new and better gear anyways!

Thanks for the great information. Case closed!
Feb 11 2024 1:19PM
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Non_State_Actor
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frosttexOk. I get it. 4 years or older is pretty much not going to get serviced,
and who doesn’t like new and better gear anyways!

Thanks for the great information. Case closed!


https://www.sierra.com/lp2/shipping-policy/
Expedited shipping could get you there. Then buy bindings at the shop where you mount them... usually gets you a discount/free mount.

The ten year mark is when stuff really becomes worthless.
Feb 11 2024 4:42PM
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frosttex
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I just found out that Sierra has a store in Santa Fe, where I’ll be next weekend. I’m calling them to see if they have the skis you recommended, or similar price range ski. Hopefully they can mount bindings too, in stock. Long shot but working it. I may post here again with a question regarding what they may have available. Thanks again. Loving the hive mind!
Feb 11 2024 11:20PM
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Non_State_Actor
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frosttexI just found out that Sierra has a store in Santa Fe, where I’ll be next weekend. I’m calling them to see if they have the skis you recommended, or similar price range ski. Hopefully they can mount bindings too, in stock. Long shot but working it. I may post here again with a question regarding what they may have available. Thanks again. Loving the hive mind!


They probably have ship to store that would be quick.
Feb 11 2024 11:32PM
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Non_State_Actor
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https://www.alpinesportsonline.com/shop/GEAR/SKIING/SKI-BINDINGS/p/Salomon-Stage-GW-11-x64786472.htm

That's a shop in Santa Fe...limited options really, this spot and REI. They should be able to get the mount done quickly if you schedule it in advance? $150 for that binding is an ok price not a great price but you have limited time and it isn't close enough to the end of the season for banger deals. Ask the shop if they will give you a break on the mount price if you buy the bindings. Some shops will do a discounted mount if you buy one of the parts there and free if you buy two but it all depends on the shop.
Feb 12 2024 12:34AM
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frosttex
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Thanks. Very helpful. I am calling the store when they open soon. I looked for the Attack 11 binding but they advertised the Attack 14 on their site. Do you recommend another one in the 11's price range?
Feb 12 2024 11:25AM
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frosttex
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Thanks. Very helpful. I am calling the store when they open soon. I looked for the Attack 11 binding but they advertised the Attack 14 on their site. Do you recommend another one in the 11's price range?
Feb 12 2024 11:55AM
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frosttex
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@Non_State_Actor What was the brake width for the binding?
Feb 12 2024 11:56AM
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frosttex@Non_State_Actor What was the brake width for the binding?


You just need it close to the waist width of the ski. Say you have a 92mm wide ski, you can fit a 90mm brake, or a 95, or even a 100mm but not an 85 and a 110 would be too big. They can be stretched a tiny amount but ideally you have something as wide (90mm brake on a 90mm ski) or just wider (95mm brake on a 90mm ski/)

Binding manufacturers each have their own brake sizes. Tyrolia has 85, 95, 110, 130. Marker 90, 100, 115? Etc. spaced out to cover all ski widths.
Feb 12 2024 12:30PM
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Non_State_Actor
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I meant to also list a few bindings that would be appropriate for your use case scenario:
Tyrolia Attack 11
Marker Squire 11 (I believe they have a 10 version as well which would probably be fine, as would the Marker Free 10)
Atomic/Salomon Stage 10 or 11, Strive 12, Warden 11
Look NX 10/11/12, SPX 10/12

Any of those would be good for juniors or small/light adult intermediate skiers.
Feb 12 2024 10:04PM
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