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What’s your favorite midfat all mountain destroyer
Im really looking for a comparison between the moment deathwish and the rossignol sender free 110 so if any of you can give insight to that it would be great. but im possibly moving out to Boulder CO and need to upgrade my midwest quiver with something wider, versatile and super fun. my top choices so far are the previously mentioned models. drop the name of your favorite all mountain mid fat for me. thanks!
Fauna pioneer is my go to middle fat destroyer. Not as settled and heavy as others but a really strong underfoot with a nimble touch allows me to take it everywhere and ski fast
Deathwish 112 is extremely versatile. Skied it for 30+ days last season in all conditions and love every minute. Floated great in super deep Tahoe powder -- I'm on the 190CM version and recommend the longest length your comfortable with for powder performance. Also had a lot of fun ripping steep corduroy at 45mph (roughly the speed limit of these skis according to my unscientific tracking), and spring slush laps. It's definitely not the fastest ski, but the edge hold is incredible for how much ski you're getting.
Also my buddies said it sounds like a fighter jet when you're ripping past them on high-speed groomers. Very unique sound from the triple-camber design.
**This post was edited on Dec 11th 2023 at 9:54:22pm
BradFiAusNzCoCaFauna pioneer is my go to middle fat destroyer. Not as settled and heavy as others but a really strong underfoot with a nimble touch allows me to take it everywhere and ski fast
cali_invaderDeathwish 112 is extremely versatile. Skied it for 30+ days last season in all conditions and love every minute. Floated great in super deep Tahoe powder -- I'm on the 190CM version and recommend the longest length your comfortable with for powder performance. Also had a lot of fun ripping steep corduroy at 45mph (roughly the speed limit of these skis according to my unscientific tracking), and spring slush laps. It's definitely not the fastest ski, but the edge hold is incredible for how much ski you're getting.
Also my buddies said it sounds like a fighter jet when you're ripping past them on high-speed groomers. Very unique sound from the triple-camber design.
**This post was edited on Dec 11th 2023 at 9:54:22pm
ya, i’m leaning twords the deathwish for it’s groomer performance. thanks for the input.
Main difference between the DW and SF110 is weight. The Sender Free is heavier and more damp, and feels smoother and more composed. The lighter Deathwish is still a stable ski but gets knocked around in chop a bit more and isn’t as damp. The Deathwish is more nimble though.
I honestly prefer the way the more traditional Sender Free 110 carves, it carves really well for its width. But the Deathwish is also good in this regard, though.
deelonmuskMain difference between the DW and SF110 is weight. The Sender Free is heavier and more damp, and feels smoother and more composed. The lighter Deathwish is still a stable ski but gets knocked around in chop a bit more and isn’t as damp. The Deathwish is more nimble though.
I honestly prefer the way the more traditional Sender Free 110 carves, it carves really well for its width. But the Deathwish is also good in this regard, though.
ok interesting, which one would you say is better on piste over all? i heard the death wish has a super good combo of easy tail release while having great edge grip depending on if tou ski it centered or press into the shovels. would you agree with that?
**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2023 at 10:31:12am
Voyage86ok interesting, which one would you say is better on piste over all? i heard the death wish has a super good combo of easy tail release while having great edge grip depending on if tou ski it centered or press into the shovels. would you agree with that?
**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2023 at 10:31:12am
Yeah, but the same is true of the Sender Free 110 too. The Sender Free has a tighter radius which lets you lay it over easier on groomers, which I prefer.
deelonmuskYeah, but the same is true of the Sender Free 110 too. The Sender Free has a tighter radius which lets you lay it over easier on groomers, which I prefer.
OP you should also consider the Moment Countach 110. It's honestly a bit closer to the Sender Free 110 than the DW112, especially wrt weight and radius.
cali_invaderOP you should also consider the Moment Countach 110. It's honestly a bit closer to the Sender Free 110 than the DW112, especially wrt weight and radius.
i’ve looked into it alittle but i’m turned off by the -8 mount point. thanks for the suggestion
We had the deathwish 104 and 112 out yesterday at Breck. Conditions were pretty firm overall and the 104 just ate everything up. The 112 struggled a bit more on the super firm with some vibration. You can definitely feel the stiffness in the 104 vs 112.
PartyBullshiitWe had the deathwish 104 and 112 out yesterday at Breck. Conditions were pretty firm overall and the 104 just ate everything up. The 112 struggled a bit more on the super firm with some vibration. You can definitely feel the stiffness in the 104 vs 112.
would you say the 112 still carves really well on firm for its width?
Voyage86would you say the 112 still carves really well on firm for its width?
I would not say really well no. The 104 carves really well. The 112 is decent. We swapped my wishes back and forth throughout the day and both agreed the 104 just ripped better. Was more nimble, held a better edge, also felt more stable.
the 112 did better when we got into chopped up crud higher on the mountain with slightly softer conditions.
the 112 is a great ski. It has its place. It your consistently going to be in deeper snow the 112 would fit the bill. If you’re going to be on piste more and groomers etc the 104 is the cat’s pajamas
PartyBullshiitI would not say really well no. The 104 carves really well. The 112 is decent. We swapped my wishes back and forth throughout the day and both agreed the 104 just ripped better. Was more nimble, held a better edge, also felt more stable.
the 112 did better when we got into chopped up crud higher on the mountain with slightly softer conditions.
the 112 is a great ski. It has its place. It your consistently going to be in deeper snow the 112 would fit the bill. If you’re going to be on piste more and groomers etc the 104 is the cat’s pajamas
how would you compare the 112s craving on piste to other skis around that 110 width. is it much better than most?
That’s a very subjective question. There’s way more to it than it being a 112. The triple camber skis unlike anything else. So to compare it to other skis that are not triple camber isn’t really apples to apples.
if your MAIN concern is carving ability and you want something around 110ish then I would recommend the moment countach. It’s going to be better on edge carving. It’s going to be faster edge to edge as well. It’s going to float very well for a 110 but is still very versatile. It wants to move fast.
if your main concern is carving but you absolutely want triple camber then I would recommend the deathwish 104 over the 112. Again it’s going to have better edge hold, it’s going to be quicker edge to edge. And it fucking slays firm/hardpack groomers etc.
PartyBullshiitThat’s a very subjective question. There’s way more to it than it being a 112. The triple camber skis unlike anything else. So to compare it to other skis that are not triple camber isn’t really apples to apples.
if your MAIN concern is carving ability and you want something around 110ish then I would recommend the moment countach. It’s going to be better on edge carving. It’s going to be faster edge to edge as well. It’s going to float very well for a 110 but is still very versatile. It wants to move fast.
if your main concern is carving but you absolutely want triple camber then I would recommend the deathwish 104 over the 112. Again it’s going to have better edge hold, it’s going to be quicker edge to edge. And it fucking slays firm/hardpack groomers etc.
nah my main concern is for sure not carving, but of the skies that i have determined rip off piste in the more playful and nimble yet chargey way that i like to ski, i think a big factor for me is which one can lay some fat trenches on hard pack best. the 104 is to narrow for what i’m looking for and the countache is to directional. but how would you describe the benefits (or losses) of the triple camber compared to traditional? is it just better edge hold on hard pack? or is it about the tips and tails releasing better?
Voyage86nah my main concern is for sure not carving, but of the skies that i have determined rip off piste in the more playful and nimble yet chargey way that i like to ski, i think a big factor for me is which one can lay some fat trenches on hard pack best. the 104 is to narrow for what i’m looking for and the countache is to directional. but how would you describe the benefits (or losses) of the triple camber compared to traditional? is it just better edge hold on hard pack? or is it about the tips and tails releasing better?
The triple camber grips into hard pack and firm. So where a normal camber rocker ski if you hit some icy/firm/hardpack you may slide a bit. The edge may not bite into the firm. The deathwish will bite hard enough not the firm and pull you through the turn. It won’t slide across ice or firm unless you choose to release the tails. Which they will do fine.
so the 104 rips groomers and firm/hardpack. It feels like a serrated knife cutting through wood. You feel the edge bite and you hear the triple camber ripping.
The 112 gets pushed around more on that firm/hardpack compared to the 104. It’s still better than most rocker camber skis in firm because triple camber. Just don’t expect to be pulling giant slalom turns on groomers etc on the 112. It’s has too much vibration when you get into the really hard shit. That’s where the 104 shines.
do you ski a lot of switch? Like more than 50%
if not the countach is not too directly. While it is more rearward compared to the wishes it is not a directional only ski like the commanders.
it will rip, grip and run hard but can also pivot on a dime to bring things back to earth speed wise. You can ski switch on it. Most of the moment dude ski switch no issue with the countachs.
if I’m being honest it sounds like you “want” the deathwish 112. But I don’t think it’s the best ski for what you’re describing. I’d push you towards the countach.
PartyBullshiitThe triple camber grips into hard pack and firm. So where a normal camber rocker ski if you hit some icy/firm/hardpack you may slide a bit. The edge may not bite into the firm. The deathwish will bite hard enough not the firm and pull you through the turn. It won’t slide across ice or firm unless you choose to release the tails. Which they will do fine.
so the 104 rips groomers and firm/hardpack. It feels like a serrated knife cutting through wood. You feel the edge bite and you hear the triple camber ripping.
The 112 gets pushed around more on that firm/hardpack compared to the 104. It’s still better than most rocker camber skis in firm because triple camber. Just don’t expect to be pulling giant slalom turns on groomers etc on the 112. It’s has too much vibration when you get into the really hard shit. That’s where the 104 shines.
do you ski a lot of switch? Like more than 50%
if not the countach is not too directly. While it is more rearward compared to the wishes it is not a directional only ski like the commanders.
it will rip, grip and run hard but can also pivot on a dime to bring things back to earth speed wise. You can ski switch on it. Most of the moment dude ski switch no issue with the countachs.
if I’m being honest it sounds like you “want” the deathwish 112. But I don’t think it’s the best ski for what you’re describing. I’d push you towards the countach.
ok, thanks alot for the input, that’s really helpful, i’m thinking i want more centered for tricks and stability with rotations. i look into the countache for sure though
Voyage86how’s the edge grip? would you say it carves well for its width?
I’d say the edge grip is amazingly good on the free 110. The ski has a lot of effective edge and a stiff midsection. I own DW 112 and I’ve tried the 104. My quick take:
SF vs DW104
I like the mount point on the SF better
dw wins on quickness
sf wins on soft snow pivot ability even with its long effective edge
Sf wins big on suspension and stability
Deathwish can do tighter radius carves a bit easier but sf has more grip and a great ‘locked into the skis preferred radius’ gs turn
dw wins in bumps
P.s. I like the dw 104 better for an all around ski but the sf110 makes my heart beat faster and convinces me to go faster than I should :). It reminds me of the Black Ops 98.
shedddI’d say the edge grip is amazingly good on the free 110. The ski has a lot of effective edge and a stiff midsection. I own DW 112 and I’ve tried the 104. My quick take:
SF vs DW104
I like the mount point on the SF better
dw wins on quickness
sf wins on soft snow pivot ability even with its long effective edge
Sf wins big on suspension and stability
Deathwish can do tighter radius carves a bit easier but sf has more grip and a great ‘locked into the skis preferred radius’ gs turn
dw wins in bumps
shedddI’d say the edge grip is amazingly good on the free 110. The ski has a lot of effective edge and a stiff midsection. I own DW 112 and I’ve tried the 104. My quick take:
SF vs DW104
I like the mount point on the SF better
dw wins on quickness
sf wins on soft snow pivot ability even with its long effective edge
Sf wins big on suspension and stability
Deathwish can do tighter radius carves a bit easier but sf has more grip and a great ‘locked into the skis preferred radius’ gs turn
dw wins in bumps
i’m really deciding between the deathwish 112 as opposed to the dq 104. what’s your comparison between the dw 112 and the sf110?
Enforcer 110’s have a good blend of what I like in a fat charging ski. Even though they’re marketed as directional the tails are good enough for switch carving and jump hitting, and the titanium helps for riding in tough conditions. Only downside is the weight on them bad boys, they’re by far the heaviest skis I’ve owned.
With all the rider input into ski development nowadays I don’t think you can go wrong with any of the options out there. Just gotta narrow down your specs and preferences and I’m sure there’s a ski that’ll fit your needs.
Voyage86i’m really deciding between the deathwish 112 as opposed to the dq 104. what’s your comparison between the dw 112 and the sf110?
My 112's are old and have never been tuned... and too much ski for me (190cm) much of the time. I haven't been getting along with them very well the past few years. They probably need a good tune... in their current state they don't carve well on harpack at all... In soft snow, I'd take the DW for tight stuff and bumps and the SF for everything else... I would like to try a new, 184cm DW112.
ah got you. thanks for the input man, i think i’m going to go with the sf110. i was watching the free ride wt clips of people on the sf110 and it looks so sick
shedddMy 112's are old and have never been tuned... and too much ski for me (190cm) much of the time. I haven't been getting along with them very well the past few years. They probably need a good tune... in their current state they don't carve well on harpack at all... In soft snow, I'd take the DW for tight stuff and bumps and the SF for everything else... I would like to try a new, 184cm DW112.
My wish 112 is the 184. Last seasons top sheet so my tune is still on point. As you mentioned they don’t carve really well on super firm like the 104. But they carve well enough for a 112 ski. And I would say on average better than most skis in their width range. Generally anything 112 isn’t going to a carving monster. If my priority was firm I would 1000% go with the 104. If I wanted to use it more across the whole mountain and realistically in far more variable conditions especially with deeper softer snow I’d be 112 all day. That being said I couldn’t decide what was more important as I saw a place for both. So I got both. Happy I did as they each have a place.
Sender free 110 is an incredible ski. Was skiing it at Alta today on very firm and icy snow and it ate everything up. It carves super well too. Was laying my hip on the ground and could see the railroad tracks I just put down on the lift ride back up
iDontHitRailsSender free 110 is an incredible ski. Was skiing it at Alta today on very firm and icy snow and it ate everything up. It carves super well too. Was laying my hip on the ground and could see the railroad tracks I just put down on the lift ride back up
sold, i’m going to go with the 184 but out of curiosity what size did you get?
