New daymakers

My initial thoughts:

- People generally buy daymakers so their boots without pins work- kind of defeats the point and makes them even more niche
- Not having anything attached to your heel is really, really nice. I would tour in these over a frame or the old daymaker ANY day
- On their website "This weighs as much as a Pivot 15 toepiece" Direct callout to CAST lol. great cheaper option for people without pivots
- On being sleeker- taking up less pack space is also huge. love the telescoping design.

No matter how sleek these become- still clunky, still heavy, still fit well into the world of ways to get uphill. I would love to try these though. Probably will never own- but would love to try so i could recommend it to people. Kudos to daymaker for stepping up their game and bringing some more innovation to the table. Big fan.

I think that they are super sick. I own the original version and only have good things to say about them. We have to remember the purpose behind these adapters. It isn't going to be the lightest offering out there. They are just trying to create a product that creates more opportunities to go up hill on more skis. I would totally consider upgrading to these if my boots had pins.

hamsauceMy initial thoughts:

- People generally buy daymakers so their boots without pins work- kind of defeats the point and makes them even more niche
- Not having anything attached to your heel is really, really nice. I would tour in these over a frame or the old daymaker ANY day
- On their website "This weighs as much as a Pivot 15 toepiece" Direct callout to CAST lol. great cheaper option for people without pivots
- On being sleeker- taking up less pack space is also huge. love the telescoping design.

No matter how sleek these become- still clunky, still heavy, still fit well into the world of ways to get uphill. I would love to try these though. Probably will never own- but would love to try so i could recommend it to people. Kudos to daymaker for stepping up their game and bringing some more innovation to the table. Big fan.

Totally agree. The CAST callout is kinda bs on their part tho cuz these would still be way heavier on foot while touring (as in you’re stacking this adapter with the toe piece from whatever binding ur using as opposed to using just the tech toe with cast which is pretty light).

saucemastrscottyTotally agree. The CAST callout is kinda bs on their part tho cuz these would still be way heavier on foot while touring (as in you’re stacking this adapter with the toe piece from whatever binding ur using as opposed to using just the tech toe with cast which is pretty light).

Yeah probably not a callout, just the first thing i thought of when i read it since CAST is a competitor- similar price if you own pivots. The big advantage that daymaker has over cast is not needing pins- which now the only reason to get this daymaker is if you have pins AND you dont have pivots

hamsauceMy initial thoughts:

- People generally buy daymakers so their boots without pins work- kind of defeats the point and makes them even more niche
- Not having anything attached to your heel is really, really nice. I would tour in these over a frame or the old daymaker ANY day
- On their website "This weighs as much as a Pivot 15 toepiece" Direct callout to CAST lol. great cheaper option for people without pivots
- On being sleeker- taking up less pack space is also huge. love the telescoping design.

No matter how sleek these become- still clunky, still heavy, still fit well into the world of ways to get uphill. I would love to try these though. Probably will never own- but would love to try so i could recommend it to people. Kudos to daymaker for stepping up their game and bringing some more innovation to the table. Big fan.

I will say, this isn’t really comparable to cast.

Lets say you have a pivot 18 and considering both cast and daymakers.

Cast:
-350~ conversion kit.
-tours like a normal pin binding.
-1000g~ per ski in uphill mode
-low standover height.
-requires pins.

Daymakers:
-279$
-no remount or anything
-crazy high standover height
-530g+ pivot toe on ski.
-requires pins.

I don’t really get the product, but I am all for innovation and making uphill skiing more accessible.

hamsauceYeah probably not a callout, just the first thing i thought of when i read it since CAST is a competitor- similar price if you own pivots. The big advantage that daymaker has over cast is not needing pins- which now the only reason to get this daymaker is if you have pins AND you dont have pivots

I feel like it is a callout just kind of a stupid one. I really don’t see where the market for this is, if you have boots with pins you could probably get a used setup with pin bindings for the same price maybe a bit more.

I get the argument for using alpine bindings but how many people are really skiing hard enough in the backcountry to justify that (and not just buying cast)? I would guess not many but it is cool that this option exists, it’s amazing how many options there are to walk up a hill on skis lol.

Also with 50/50 boots becoming more popular I could see it being an option for folks occasionally skiing sidecountry on a resort day who don’t want a dedicated setup. It’s such a niche market though I just can’t see them selling many of these

yeah, kinda silly... Why would you go for daymakers, if you can buy Shifts for 400 which fit 90% of riders? If you are 10% and ski really hard, CAST conversion kit is now 299.

Upside to this compared to cast is it’s buy ski and go. You don’t need to have anything mounted to your skis as you do with cast.

daymakers are ready out of the box day 1. And cheaper. So there are benefits.

Anyone remember MFD All-Time plates? We've come long way in terms of adapters

PartyBullshiitUpside to this compared to cast is it’s buy ski and go. You don’t need to have anything mounted to your skis as you do with cast.

daymakers are ready out of the box day 1. And cheaper. So there are benefits.

yea, but:
most shops will mount cast for a standard price, and if you already have pivots mounted, you can even reuse the holes for the toe.

I’ve mounted cast like ~5 times now
(I work in a shop), and it’s not that hard, just tricky on the first try.

It is not exactly plug and play to be fair though.

egirl.skiyea, but:
most shops will mount cast for a standard price, and if you already have pivots mounted, you can even reuse the holes for the toe.

I’ve mounted cast like ~5 times now
(I work in a shop), and it’s not that hard, just tricky on the first try.

It is not exactly plug and play to be fair though.

Oh for sure. I have pivots on all my skis except for 2 pairs. So I’ve looked into cast a few times. The additional work is always a turn off to get into it. Plus as I’m sure you know if the installer isn’t great you can then run into the issue of the posts not matching up perfect. Which introduces a whole new level of head aches. If the original bindings weren’t mounted perfect that can be more issues.

so if it’s all be done at once meaning bindings and cast it makes sense.

egirl.skiI will say, this isn’t really comparable to cast.

Lets say you have a pivot 18 and considering both cast and daymakers.

Cast:
-350~ conversion kit.
-tours like a normal pin binding.
-1000g~ per ski in uphill mode
-low standover height.
-requires pins.

Daymakers:
-279$
-no remount or anything
-crazy high standover height
-530g+ pivot toe on ski.
-requires pins.

I don’t really get the product, but I am all for innovation and making uphill skiing more accessible.

saucemastrscottyI feel like it is a callout just kind of a stupid one. I really don’t see where the market for this is, if you have boots with pins you could probably get a used setup with pin bindings for the same price maybe a bit more.

I get the argument for using alpine bindings but how many people are really skiing hard enough in the backcountry to justify that (and not just buying cast)? I would guess not many but it is cool that this option exists, it’s amazing how many options there are to walk up a hill on skis lol.

Also with 50/50 boots becoming more popular I could see it being an option for folks occasionally skiing sidecountry on a resort day who don’t want a dedicated setup. It’s such a niche market though I just can’t see them selling many of these

Exactly- such a niche market. Daymakers customer base is people who are
- trying out the backcountry or just tour 2-3 times per year
- people who want a full alpine binding on the downhill and dont have pivots- cheaper option than shifts/duke pt/cast
- sidecountry- see bullet point above.

and generally the people in these categories either dont have pin boots (so they buy old version of daymakers- still has a market) or will quickly realize after their touring partner leaves them in the dust, losing balance on a sidehill, and cant fit their adapters in their pack that its worth it to get something else.

I think the other problem is that since touring has such a high buy in price (on the low end $500 avy 1, $300 beacon, $100 shovel+probe, $75 pack, $75 skins- and this is for the bottom of the barrel)- spending $100-200 more for a good setup (cheap pin setup, used shifts, or CAST) thats 1000x more enjoyable to tour up on and has none of the problems daymakers have doesnt seem like such a big deal to them.

egirl.skiyea, but:
most shops will mount cast for a standard price, and if you already have pivots mounted, you can even reuse the holes for the toe.

I’ve mounted cast like ~5 times now
(I work in a shop), and it’s not that hard, just tricky on the first try.

It is not exactly plug and play to be fair though.

There are also a good chunk of authorized cast dealers- not sure if the shop you work at is on that list, but in my experience, those shops get it dialed since they carry it and mount it so often

hamsauceThere are also a good chunk of authorized cast dealers- not sure if the shop you work at is on that list, but in my experience, those shops get it dialed since they carry it and mount it so often

We are not a dealer, but I have mounted skis for me and my friends.

good point though, absolutely go to a cast dealer mounts, the system has some common installation issues i’ve seen.

We had a guy come in with a pretty mangled pair he got done at rei.

Id be interested in someone trying it and letting us know, It does seem like a super weird market

I think ive got a set sitting in a box somewhere. Those things were heavy af. Managed to crack one too.

profa_212I think ive got a set sitting in a box somewhere. Those things were heavy af. Managed to crack one too.

This new version?

Hey this Chris Trunek with Daymaker Touring. I am glad you guys have seen the release of the TEKDAPTERS! I'd love to help answer any questions anyone has and I'd like to address some of the points brought up.

The TEKDAPTERS pick up where the Daymaker Classics left off, and both products are built upon the same ethos, which is a touring system that is independent of the ski. While this might sacrifice some of light weight character of a pure touring binding on the uphill, we feel the tradeoff is worth it in MANY scenarios, including some you might not initially consider.

Variable snow, low cover snow like early and late season skiing, east coast touring or any kind of less than ideal or firm snow conditions are much easier and more forgiving to ski on alpine bindings with elastic travel that can absorb the impacts from the terrain. A Shift or Duke PT can definitely do this, but are you willing to ski that pristine, high ticket setup on less than ideal conditions? With Daymakers you can be bashing rock skis in October or July and keep your good skis nice for when conditions are pristine.

DIN safety release. We feel that if your going to be way out there, knowing you are less likely to get injured is a good thing. Giray and I have both been through multiple knee and leg injuries sustained skiing, and if there's one thing I can say it's you want your skis to come off when they need to, and you want them to stay on the rest of the time. Most of us end up finding a binding we like and sticking to it, so being able to tour on what you already love and trust is huge in our eyes.

Inbounds use- if you're not touring, and skiing the resort that day, your skis are exactly as you'd want them to be. They aren't burdened by extra stack height, they don't have play from a touring interface, and they aren't going to break like some more complicated lightweight hybrid bindings might be more prone to if you're skiing aggressively. In addition, a huge trend i've seen lately is people skiing inbounds on pin touring bindings. This really makes me cringe as there are real reasons why you don't want to do this, but that's another topic for another time.

One and done- Buying Daymakers means you could theoretically never buy another touring binding, no matter how many times you get new skis. We realize alot of people who start off with Daymakers may want to add a dedicated touring setup to their fleet for those big missions, but if you already own Daymakers in your fleet, you could in theory go extra light when you do for an even more uphill optimized setup. Daymakers and Tekdapters prioritize downhill skiing performance more than literally any other touring system out there, so covering your bases and going lightweight makes alot of sense in our eyes.

Touring setup in a pack- your entire touring setup can exist within your backpack and that makes airline travel, van-life, or any other situation where space is at a premium alot easier. You might find a pair of adapters alot easier to travel with than a dedicated touring setup AND alpine gear.



Loaner setup- Daymakers are a perfect tool to get others into the sport who don't own ALL the gear.



With all that said, we think our adapters make more and more sense for alot more people than you might think!



regarding some of the concerns expressed, ill try and address those next!



Stack height- No doubt, you do stand up off the skis on Daymakers and Tekdapters. With the Daymakers, you definitely could feel that translate to some side to side movement of the heel on off camber terrain. We have beefed up the heel bail on the next generation of Daymaker Classics to help improve this, but in anything less than extreme side hills this really doesn't prove to be any kind of issue as the 4 bar tech does alot of the work transferring edging forces.

Now, with the TEKDAPTERS, we could have actually dropped the boot position a bit more, but we really wanted to maintain a position that would allow big, high performance toe pieces like Atomic/Salomon STHs, Pivots, and Marker Jesters and Tyrolia Attacks to all fit without issue or requiring fit kit type solutions. In addition, we wanted to maintain some of that heel drop stance of the Classics and a toe-high position helps allow this. This really does help if you have to descend anything or have long flat sections. In addition, the new Pitch Switch riser system is really cool and features a design that locks your boot's heel in side-to-side as it lands for each position. THIS really allows you to dig your edges in and hold that side edge in a way that wasn't possible on the Classics.

Boot compatibility. Tech inserts are here and they are going to stay. There are TONS of new all mountain boots on or coming to market that offer the same high performance, stiff shell feel of traditional boots while offering large range of motion walk modes and tech inserts. There are even options out there with ultra stiff flex patterns, no walk modes and only the toe inserts for the hardest, most discerning skiers who only plan on using a system like TEKDAPTERS, Cast, Shift, or Duke PT. If you don't have tech inserts in your boots now, there is a good chance your next boots will have them. With the post covid gear pileup, you can find these boots on sale now for incredibly low prices so it would be a great time to consider upgrading (I need a new pair first though so don't buy out the 27.5s!)

Pivot Toe weight- The site is currently a bit of a work in progress as we get everything up to speed, and it was not our intention for that to come off as a call out to Cast. They make a nice product too and we don't mean to come off that way, we'll adjust the wording! We mentioned that binding as it's one of the last metal toe pieces on the market so it is a good comparison weight wise and its one most people are familiar with.



I hope that is able to help address some of the questions and feedback expressed above! I'd really love to help in any way I can so feel free to reach out any time! info@daymakertouring.com is the fastest and best way to get ahold of both Giray and myself, but I will keep an eye on this thread since I know its here now! Thanks again you guys for starting the discussion around these and for considering them!



Thanks again,

Chris

maaatttAnyone remember MFD All-Time plates? We've come long way in terms of adapters

profa_212I think ive got a set sitting in a box somewhere. Those things were heavy af. Managed to crack one too.

PartyBullshiitThis new version?

god damnit it didnt quote for some reason. mfd plates NOT the new daymakers

It's cheaper if you don't have pivot 15/18s and want to get into backcountry skiing. You can get your boot converted and then use these new daymakers and then later down the line get a proper backcountry setup. I am really interested to see how well these work

Eli.braun98It's cheaper if you don't have pivot 15/18s and want to get into backcountry skiing. You can get your boot converted and then use these new daymakers and then later down the line get a proper backcountry setup. I am really interested to see how well these work

cast boot conversion costs more than a last year touring boot.

The market is people looking for maximum performance who want to use a race boot.
(with some exceptions)

The new daymakers do seem cool though.

CTDHey this Chris Trunek with Daymaker Touring. I am glad you guys have seen the release of the TEKDAPTERS! I'd love to help answer any questions anyone has and I'd like to address some of the points brought up.

The TEKDAPTERS pick up where the Daymaker Classics left off, and both products are built upon the same ethos, which is a touring system that is independent of the ski. While this might sacrifice some of light weight character of a pure touring binding on the uphill, we feel the tradeoff is worth it in MANY scenarios, including some you might not initially consider.

Variable snow, low cover snow like early and late season skiing, east coast touring or any kind of less than ideal or firm snow conditions are much easier and more forgiving to ski on alpine bindings with elastic travel that can absorb the impacts from the terrain. A Shift or Duke PT can definitely do this, but are you willing to ski that pristine, high ticket setup on less than ideal conditions? With Daymakers you can be bashing rock skis in October or July and keep your good skis nice for when conditions are pristine.

DIN safety release. We feel that if your going to be way out there, knowing you are less likely to get injured is a good thing. Giray and I have both been through multiple knee and leg injuries sustained skiing, and if there's one thing I can say it's you want your skis to come off when they need to, and you want them to stay on the rest of the time. Most of us end up finding a binding we like and sticking to it, so being able to tour on what you already love and trust is huge in our eyes.

Inbounds use- if you're not touring, and skiing the resort that day, your skis are exactly as you'd want them to be. They aren't burdened by extra stack height, they don't have play from a touring interface, and they aren't going to break like some more complicated lightweight hybrid bindings might be more prone to if you're skiing aggressively. In addition, a huge trend i've seen lately is people skiing inbounds on pin touring bindings. This really makes me cringe as there are real reasons why you don't want to do this, but that's another topic for another time.

One and done- Buying Daymakers means you could theoretically never buy another touring binding, no matter how many times you get new skis. We realize alot of people who start off with Daymakers may want to add a dedicated touring setup to their fleet for those big missions, but if you already own Daymakers in your fleet, you could in theory go extra light when you do for an even more uphill optimized setup. Daymakers and Tekdapters prioritize downhill skiing performance more than literally any other touring system out there, so covering your bases and going lightweight makes alot of sense in our eyes.

Touring setup in a pack- your entire touring setup can exist within your backpack and that makes airline travel, van-life, or any other situation where space is at a premium alot easier. You might find a pair of adapters alot easier to travel with than a dedicated touring setup AND alpine gear.



Loaner setup- Daymakers are a perfect tool to get others into the sport who don't own ALL the gear.



With all that said, we think our adapters make more and more sense for alot more people than you might think!



regarding some of the concerns expressed, ill try and address those next!



Stack height- No doubt, you do stand up off the skis on Daymakers and Tekdapters. With the Daymakers, you definitely could feel that translate to some side to side movement of the heel on off camber terrain. We have beefed up the heel bail on the next generation of Daymaker Classics to help improve this, but in anything less than extreme side hills this really doesn't prove to be any kind of issue as the 4 bar tech does alot of the work transferring edging forces.

Now, with the TEKDAPTERS, we could have actually dropped the boot position a bit more, but we really wanted to maintain a position that would allow big, high performance toe pieces like Atomic/Salomon STHs, Pivots, and Marker Jesters and Tyrolia Attacks to all fit without issue or requiring fit kit type solutions. In addition, we wanted to maintain some of that heel drop stance of the Classics and a toe-high position helps allow this. This really does help if you have to descend anything or have long flat sections. In addition, the new Pitch Switch riser system is really cool and features a design that locks your boot's heel in side-to-side as it lands for each position. THIS really allows you to dig your edges in and hold that side edge in a way that wasn't possible on the Classics.

Boot compatibility. Tech inserts are here and they are going to stay. There are TONS of new all mountain boots on or coming to market that offer the same high performance, stiff shell feel of traditional boots while offering large range of motion walk modes and tech inserts. There are even options out there with ultra stiff flex patterns, no walk modes and only the toe inserts for the hardest, most discerning skiers who only plan on using a system like TEKDAPTERS, Cast, Shift, or Duke PT. If you don't have tech inserts in your boots now, there is a good chance your next boots will have them. With the post covid gear pileup, you can find these boots on sale now for incredibly low prices so it would be a great time to consider upgrading (I need a new pair first though so don't buy out the 27.5s!)

Pivot Toe weight- The site is currently a bit of a work in progress as we get everything up to speed, and it was not our intention for that to come off as a call out to Cast. They make a nice product too and we don't mean to come off that way, we'll adjust the wording! We mentioned that binding as it's one of the last metal toe pieces on the market so it is a good comparison weight wise and its one most people are familiar with.



I hope that is able to help address some of the questions and feedback expressed above! I'd really love to help in any way I can so feel free to reach out any time! info@daymakertouring.com is the fastest and best way to get ahold of both Giray and myself, but I will keep an eye on this thread since I know its here now! Thanks again you guys for starting the discussion around these and for considering them!



Thanks again,

Chris

I think that the new TEKDAPTER! is the ultimate way to use a fully non-touring binding, to tour.

I liked your point about being a loaner setup, and I like how wide an array of boot soles it can fit.

Still kinda uncomfortable with the really high standover height, but does sound like this is better than the older version.

CTDHey this Chris Trunek with Daymaker Touring. I am glad you guys have seen the release of the TEKDAPTERS! I'd love to help answer any questions anyone has and I'd like to address some of the points brought up.

The TEKDAPTERS pick up where the Daymaker Classics left off, and both products are built upon the same ethos, which is a touring system that is independent of the ski. While this might sacrifice some of light weight character of a pure touring binding on the uphill, we feel the tradeoff is worth it in MANY scenarios, including some you might not initially consider.

Variable snow, low cover snow like early and late season skiing, east coast touring or any kind of less than ideal or firm snow conditions are much easier and more forgiving to ski on alpine bindings with elastic travel that can absorb the impacts from the terrain. A Shift or Duke PT can definitely do this, but are you willing to ski that pristine, high ticket setup on less than ideal conditions? With Daymakers you can be bashing rock skis in October or July and keep your good skis nice for when conditions are pristine.

DIN safety release. We feel that if your going to be way out there, knowing you are less likely to get injured is a good thing. Giray and I have both been through multiple knee and leg injuries sustained skiing, and if there's one thing I can say it's you want your skis to come off when they need to, and you want them to stay on the rest of the time. Most of us end up finding a binding we like and sticking to it, so being able to tour on what you already love and trust is huge in our eyes.

Inbounds use- if you're not touring, and skiing the resort that day, your skis are exactly as you'd want them to be. They aren't burdened by extra stack height, they don't have play from a touring interface, and they aren't going to break like some more complicated lightweight hybrid bindings might be more prone to if you're skiing aggressively. In addition, a huge trend i've seen lately is people skiing inbounds on pin touring bindings. This really makes me cringe as there are real reasons why you don't want to do this, but that's another topic for another time.

One and done- Buying Daymakers means you could theoretically never buy another touring binding, no matter how many times you get new skis. We realize alot of people who start off with Daymakers may want to add a dedicated touring setup to their fleet for those big missions, but if you already own Daymakers in your fleet, you could in theory go extra light when you do for an even more uphill optimized setup. Daymakers and Tekdapters prioritize downhill skiing performance more than literally any other touring system out there, so covering your bases and going lightweight makes alot of sense in our eyes.

Touring setup in a pack- your entire touring setup can exist within your backpack and that makes airline travel, van-life, or any other situation where space is at a premium alot easier. You might find a pair of adapters alot easier to travel with than a dedicated touring setup AND alpine gear.



Loaner setup- Daymakers are a perfect tool to get others into the sport who don't own ALL the gear.



With all that said, we think our adapters make more and more sense for alot more people than you might think!



regarding some of the concerns expressed, ill try and address those next!



Stack height- No doubt, you do stand up off the skis on Daymakers and Tekdapters. With the Daymakers, you definitely could feel that translate to some side to side movement of the heel on off camber terrain. We have beefed up the heel bail on the next generation of Daymaker Classics to help improve this, but in anything less than extreme side hills this really doesn't prove to be any kind of issue as the 4 bar tech does alot of the work transferring edging forces.

Now, with the TEKDAPTERS, we could have actually dropped the boot position a bit more, but we really wanted to maintain a position that would allow big, high performance toe pieces like Atomic/Salomon STHs, Pivots, and Marker Jesters and Tyrolia Attacks to all fit without issue or requiring fit kit type solutions. In addition, we wanted to maintain some of that heel drop stance of the Classics and a toe-high position helps allow this. This really does help if you have to descend anything or have long flat sections. In addition, the new Pitch Switch riser system is really cool and features a design that locks your boot's heel in side-to-side as it lands for each position. THIS really allows you to dig your edges in and hold that side edge in a way that wasn't possible on the Classics.

Boot compatibility. Tech inserts are here and they are going to stay. There are TONS of new all mountain boots on or coming to market that offer the same high performance, stiff shell feel of traditional boots while offering large range of motion walk modes and tech inserts. There are even options out there with ultra stiff flex patterns, no walk modes and only the toe inserts for the hardest, most discerning skiers who only plan on using a system like TEKDAPTERS, Cast, Shift, or Duke PT. If you don't have tech inserts in your boots now, there is a good chance your next boots will have them. With the post covid gear pileup, you can find these boots on sale now for incredibly low prices so it would be a great time to consider upgrading (I need a new pair first though so don't buy out the 27.5s!)

Pivot Toe weight- The site is currently a bit of a work in progress as we get everything up to speed, and it was not our intention for that to come off as a call out to Cast. They make a nice product too and we don't mean to come off that way, we'll adjust the wording! We mentioned that binding as it's one of the last metal toe pieces on the market so it is a good comparison weight wise and its one most people are familiar with.



I hope that is able to help address some of the questions and feedback expressed above! I'd really love to help in any way I can so feel free to reach out any time! info@daymakertouring.com is the fastest and best way to get ahold of both Giray and myself, but I will keep an eye on this thread since I know its here now! Thanks again you guys for starting the discussion around these and for considering them!



Thanks again,

Chris

Hey Chris- thanks for taking the time to respond and articulate some points we didnt think of. Rock setups/loaner setups especially. I also like how the TEKDAPTERS are the same price as the OG- keeping it affordable and an option especially for the increase of boots with tech inserts. you also answered some questions i had, as i havent had time to read through all of your website.

Dont take my criticism the wrong way- i havent used them (id love to demo or even buy a pair), im super curious and just had thing i was curious about and my first thoughts. Love what you guys do and Daymakers were what got me into touring!

hamsauceHey Chris- thanks for taking the time to respond and articulate some points we didnt think of. Rock setups/loaner setups especially. I also like how the TEKDAPTERS are the same price as the OG- keeping it affordable and an option especially for the increase of boots with tech inserts. you also answered some questions i had, as i havent had time to read through all of your website.

Dont take my criticism the wrong way- i havent used them (id love to demo or even buy a pair), im super curious and just had thing i was curious about and my first thoughts. Love what you guys do and Daymakers were what got me into touring!

No worries! I'm glad to hear peoples thoughts! We are pretty thick skinned at this point anyway ;) Glad to hear your Daymakers served you well!

CTDHey this Chris Trunek with Daymaker Touring. I am glad you guys have seen the release of the TEKDAPTERS! I'd love to help answer any questions anyone has and I'd like to address some of the points brought up.

The TEKDAPTERS pick up where the Daymaker Classics left off, and both products are built upon the same ethos, which is a touring system that is independent of the ski. While this might sacrifice some of light weight character of a pure touring binding on the uphill, we feel the tradeoff is worth it in MANY scenarios, including some you might not initially consider.

Variable snow, low cover snow like early and late season skiing, east coast touring or any kind of less than ideal or firm snow conditions are much easier and more forgiving to ski on alpine bindings with elastic travel that can absorb the impacts from the terrain. A Shift or Duke PT can definitely do this, but are you willing to ski that pristine, high ticket setup on less than ideal conditions? With Daymakers you can be bashing rock skis in October or July and keep your good skis nice for when conditions are pristine.

DIN safety release. We feel that if your going to be way out there, knowing you are less likely to get injured is a good thing. Giray and I have both been through multiple knee and leg injuries sustained skiing, and if there's one thing I can say it's you want your skis to come off when they need to, and you want them to stay on the rest of the time. Most of us end up finding a binding we like and sticking to it, so being able to tour on what you already love and trust is huge in our eyes.

Inbounds use- if you're not touring, and skiing the resort that day, your skis are exactly as you'd want them to be. They aren't burdened by extra stack height, they don't have play from a touring interface, and they aren't going to break like some more complicated lightweight hybrid bindings might be more prone to if you're skiing aggressively. In addition, a huge trend i've seen lately is people skiing inbounds on pin touring bindings. This really makes me cringe as there are real reasons why you don't want to do this, but that's another topic for another time.

One and done- Buying Daymakers means you could theoretically never buy another touring binding, no matter how many times you get new skis. We realize alot of people who start off with Daymakers may want to add a dedicated touring setup to their fleet for those big missions, but if you already own Daymakers in your fleet, you could in theory go extra light when you do for an even more uphill optimized setup. Daymakers and Tekdapters prioritize downhill skiing performance more than literally any other touring system out there, so covering your bases and going lightweight makes alot of sense in our eyes.

Touring setup in a pack- your entire touring setup can exist within your backpack and that makes airline travel, van-life, or any other situation where space is at a premium alot easier. You might find a pair of adapters alot easier to travel with than a dedicated touring setup AND alpine gear.



Loaner setup- Daymakers are a perfect tool to get others into the sport who don't own ALL the gear.



With all that said, we think our adapters make more and more sense for alot more people than you might think!



regarding some of the concerns expressed, ill try and address those next!



Stack height- No doubt, you do stand up off the skis on Daymakers and Tekdapters. With the Daymakers, you definitely could feel that translate to some side to side movement of the heel on off camber terrain. We have beefed up the heel bail on the next generation of Daymaker Classics to help improve this, but in anything less than extreme side hills this really doesn't prove to be any kind of issue as the 4 bar tech does alot of the work transferring edging forces.

Now, with the TEKDAPTERS, we could have actually dropped the boot position a bit more, but we really wanted to maintain a position that would allow big, high performance toe pieces like Atomic/Salomon STHs, Pivots, and Marker Jesters and Tyrolia Attacks to all fit without issue or requiring fit kit type solutions. In addition, we wanted to maintain some of that heel drop stance of the Classics and a toe-high position helps allow this. This really does help if you have to descend anything or have long flat sections. In addition, the new Pitch Switch riser system is really cool and features a design that locks your boot's heel in side-to-side as it lands for each position. THIS really allows you to dig your edges in and hold that side edge in a way that wasn't possible on the Classics.

Boot compatibility. Tech inserts are here and they are going to stay. There are TONS of new all mountain boots on or coming to market that offer the same high performance, stiff shell feel of traditional boots while offering large range of motion walk modes and tech inserts. There are even options out there with ultra stiff flex patterns, no walk modes and only the toe inserts for the hardest, most discerning skiers who only plan on using a system like TEKDAPTERS, Cast, Shift, or Duke PT. If you don't have tech inserts in your boots now, there is a good chance your next boots will have them. With the post covid gear pileup, you can find these boots on sale now for incredibly low prices so it would be a great time to consider upgrading (I need a new pair first though so don't buy out the 27.5s!)

Pivot Toe weight- The site is currently a bit of a work in progress as we get everything up to speed, and it was not our intention for that to come off as a call out to Cast. They make a nice product too and we don't mean to come off that way, we'll adjust the wording! We mentioned that binding as it's one of the last metal toe pieces on the market so it is a good comparison weight wise and its one most people are familiar with.



I hope that is able to help address some of the questions and feedback expressed above! I'd really love to help in any way I can so feel free to reach out any time! info@daymakertouring.com is the fastest and best way to get ahold of both Giray and myself, but I will keep an eye on this thread since I know its here now! Thanks again you guys for starting the discussion around these and for considering them!



Thanks again,

Chris

For me the big thing is not needing to modify any of my current set ups just to try touring. I’ve never toured. I want to try for sure but didn’t like the idea of modifying my skis in case touring just isn’t for me.

with these I can try. If I don’t love it. No big deal. Couple hundred gone but nothings been modified.

egirl.skiI think that the new TEKDAPTER! is the ultimate way to use a fully non-touring binding, to tour.

I liked your point about being a loaner setup, and I like how wide an array of boot soles it can fit.

Still kinda uncomfortable with the really high standover height, but does sound like this is better than the older version.

That definitely sums it up! Can I ask what your touring setup is? We always like benchmarking other experiences and if you're really satisfied with your setup (stack height, etc) that is a good one for us to reference, I'll try to check some out!

I am a real stickler for being close to the ski with my binding mounts, so I definitely understand the concern about stance height, but It really seems to be less of an issue for most people than you might think! Situations where it may be more of an issue would be chunky icy snow conditions, avy debris, stuff like that that your ski can't settle down into. In those situations the stack height is definitely going to be felt, the ski will push you around more and it will be a bit more difficult to manage.

Another thing we worked really hard to do is bring the minimum size down for the smallest sized boots. We felt 275mm would be sufficient with the Classics but we found that left more than a few folks with tiny feet without an option. These new TEKDAPTERS will fit the smallest adult boots out of the box, and you can easily disassemble them and cut them down (just like you would ski poles with a pipe cutter) even smaller to either fit freakishly tiny touring boots or compress the packed size down even further. Obviously big boot size setups won't want to cut them, but if your boots are 27.5 or below you can definitely save a few cm in the pack.

If you're going to cut them, you can also easily tie off the internal top-out cord through the toe lug. This cord keeps them from coming apart, and you can easily make it so it extends and stops at exactly your BSL (instead of the max length of 345mm) every time. We'll be publishing a guide on this soon.


Thanks for starting off the thread and all your feedback!

PartyBullshiitFor me the big thing is not needing to modify any of my current set ups just to try touring. I’ve never toured. I want to try for sure but didn’t like the idea of modifying my skis in case touring just isn’t for me.

with these I can try. If I don’t love it. No big deal. Couple hundred gone but nothings been modified.

100%!

If you don't like touring there is always a hungry resale market on the marketplaces and like you said you won't have had to modify anything else, so the buy in to try is minimal!

Both adapters come with a full 1 year warranty also, and we really want customers to be satisfied with us as a business, even if they aren't with their product, so we always do our best to honor warranty claims as quickly and in as hassle free of a manner as possible. If you have to deal with a warranty issue, we know you just had a bad day and turning that around is a top priority for us.

All of our products are fully rebuildable so even if down the line you somehow mangle them or you get hold of a second hand pair that have been abused, they can almost always be brought back to life. Shoot us an email with good pictures and we'll go from there to help get you the parts they need to get them back in service.



I hope you can give them a try!

CTDThat definitely sums it up! Can I ask what your touring setup is? We always like benchmarking other experiences and if you're really satisfied with your setup (stack height, etc) that is a good one for us to reference, I'll try to check some out!

I am a real stickler for being close to the ski with my binding mounts, so I definitely understand the concern about stance height, but It really seems to be less of an issue for most people than you might think! Situations where it may be more of an issue would be chunky icy snow conditions, avy debris, stuff like that that your ski can't settle down into. In those situations the stack height is definitely going to be felt, the ski will push you around more and it will be a bit more difficult to manage.

Another thing we worked really hard to do is bring the minimum size down for the smallest sized boots. We felt 275mm would be sufficient with the Classics but we found that left more than a few folks with tiny feet without an option. These new TEKDAPTERS will fit the smallest adult boots out of the box, and you can easily disassemble them and cut them down (just like you would ski poles with a pipe cutter) even smaller to either fit freakishly tiny touring boots or compress the packed size down even further. Obviously big boot size setups won't want to cut them, but if your boots are 27.5 or below you can definitely save a few cm in the pack.

If you're going to cut them, you can also easily tie off the internal top-out cord through the toe lug. This cord keeps them from coming apart, and you can easily make it so it extends and stops at exactly your BSL (instead of the max length of 345mm) every time. We'll be publishing a guide on this soon.


Thanks for starting off the thread and all your feedback!

refreshing to see a brand/designer invested in the community and improving their design.

I personally ski the cast system on all of my skis. I exclusively skied pivots as my downhill setup, and I notice no difference between cast and a normal pivot in downhill mode. so it makes sense to have everything, even a resort minded ski, mounted with the possibility of touring.

I think that this design for daymakers is much more practical than the prior version, for people with boots with pins.

I definitely support the product and brand; and you seem like an awesome guy!!

I see the TEKDAPTER as a strong solution for extremely aggressive skiers in the backcountry who do not ski on pivots or duke pt 16s. but the weight still seems like a factor.

I guess I am unsure of how many skiers have a pin boot, but not a pin binding, and especially when a shift 10 can go for around 300$ online, I wonder who the audience is.

Again, so so psyched to see a brand and designer open and receptive to criticism and comments from the skiing community.

let me know if i’ve missed something!

thank you!

egirl.skiyea, but:
most shops will mount cast for a standard price, and if you already have pivots mounted, you can even reuse the holes for the toe.

I’ve mounted cast like ~5 times now
(I work in a shop), and it’s not that hard, just tricky on the first try.

It is not exactly plug and play to be fair though.

could you give some tips, by the way? I'm waiting for my cast kit to arrive in a week

N41v131355could you give some tips, by the way? I'm waiting for my cast kit to arrive in a week

Okay so,

- only mount if you have a look pivot jig. the cast toe piece has a really precise fit required, and a paper template will not be good enough.
-do one or more “dry runs” on an old ski or piece of wood.
-the heel is same as normal, and the brake locks are easy to drill and install with the included template (you can also print another one from their website)
-for the toes: the toe plate has to sit completely flat, or you will have some issues, weather on it will not sit flat on the first install depends on the ski, drillbit used, and how you screw it in. If after the first installation, the plate isn’t sitting flat, you will have to take the screws out, and trim the bumps around each screw back to flat.
-make sure to use either wood glue, or glue specifically for skis, NOT EPOXY as with cast, you may have to fiddle with the screws more after mounting.
-when I install the toe piece nubs, I start them without the pivot toe, but once they are a little in there like 20%, I slide the pivot toe on, and finish screwing the screws in with the pivot toe locked in place. This has given me pretty good, tight fits, that come on and off easily.
-at the end, try all 4 toes on each ski to make sure everything fits properly.
-finally, before mounting, read Cast’s mounting guides and watch their videos, there are also some other good ones on youtube.

and make sure you get your release tested at a shop with a binding tester.

egirl.skirefreshing to see a brand/designer invested in the community and improving their design.

I personally ski the cast system on all of my skis. I exclusively skied pivots as my downhill setup, and I notice no difference between cast and a normal pivot in downhill mode. so it makes sense to have everything, even a resort minded ski, mounted with the possibility of touring.

I think that this design for daymakers is much more practical than the prior version, for people with boots with pins.

I definitely support the product and brand; and you seem like an awesome guy!!

I see the TEKDAPTER as a strong solution for extremely aggressive skiers in the backcountry who do not ski on pivots or duke pt 16s. but the weight still seems like a factor.

I guess I am unsure of how many skiers have a pin boot, but not a pin binding, and especially when a shift 10 can go for around 300$ online, I wonder who the audience is.

Again, so so psyched to see a brand and designer open and receptive to criticism and comments from the skiing community.

let me know if i’ve missed something!

thank you!

Ok! We are obviously familiar with Cast, that is great to hear! You sound like the ideal user for their setup having a fleet of pivot mounted skis! Im a big fan of pivots too and only skied them for a long time myself. Like you pointed out earlier, they might be a little bit of an overlap, but Daymakers and Cast are not exactly direct comparisons. If a potential buyer is shopping between them and understands what they're looking for the should be able to make a pretty easy choice.

Thanks again for your support and kind words! It means alot to us!


I know you can buy an entry level shift for about the same price, but Id say think the long game! Consider the everyday skier who is considering a Shift. Most people buy shifts and ski them at the resort 90% of the time, and we all know what happens. We don't think that situation is ideal, and we think in reality, there are WAY more occasional ski tourers than die hard tour every day types. With Daymakers or Tekdapters, in that situation, your touring system only gets used when you go tour, not bash on skiing down every day. That means it lasts a lot longer, and so do your ski bindings because they're more robust and simple.

We've seen how many Wonder bindings over the last few years that try to do everything in one package. They are all really cool and I love seeing development in bindings, but they all seem to have issues that are fundamental to complicated systems, high cost, fragility, or compromise performance. We are willing to give up a few grams and centimeters to be using solid, simple gear that just gets it done. Our systems has the potential to save you ALOT of cash over the course of a few seasons because you don't get hit with touring binding costs every time you need a new ski. We think there are ALOT of skiers out there that are going to like the sounds of that!

egirl.skiOkay so,

awesome man, thank you! some of the tips are really good and something I never heard of before

CTDOk! We are obviously familiar with Cast, that is great to hear! You sound like the ideal user for their setup having a fleet of pivot mounted skis! Im a big fan of pivots too and only skied them for a long time myself. Like you pointed out earlier, they might be a little bit of an overlap, but Daymakers and Cast are not exactly direct comparisons. If a potential buyer is shopping between them and understands what they're looking for the should be able to make a pretty easy choice.

Thanks again for your support and kind words! It means alot to us!


I know you can buy an entry level shift for about the same price, but Id say think the long game! Consider the everyday skier who is considering a Shift. Most people buy shifts and ski them at the resort 90% of the time, and we all know what happens. We don't think that situation is ideal, and we think in reality, there are WAY more occasional ski tourers than die hard tour every day types. With Daymakers or Tekdapters, in that situation, your touring system only gets used when you go tour, not bash on skiing down every day. That means it lasts a lot longer, and so do your ski bindings because they're more robust and simple.

We've seen how many Wonder bindings over the last few years that try to do everything in one package. They are all really cool and I love seeing development in bindings, but they all seem to have issues that are fundamental to complicated systems, high cost, fragility, or compromise performance. We are willing to give up a few grams and centimeters to be using solid, simple gear that just gets it done. Our systems has the potential to save you ALOT of cash over the course of a few seasons because you don't get hit with touring binding costs every time you need a new ski. We think there are ALOT of skiers out there that are going to like the sounds of that!

All my set ups are pivots sans 2, but i really wasn’t looking to add cast plates to all my skies to be able to use the system. The adapters seems like a great option even for my pivots. Im
genuinely wanting to try some as my intro to touring.

egirl.skirefreshing to see a brand/designer invested in the community and improving their design.

…

let me know if i’ve missed something!

thank you!

Not sure if it’s been mentioned above, but to me these new tekadaptors, but someone with a set of touring boots and dedicated setup could then tour on any of their other alpine skis, provided they have some skins that fit.

Big ole facepalm whenever someone complains about the stack height of Daymakers. It’s basically an intro to touring piece of equipment and its pluses for that market vastly outweigh that one downfall. There’s also nothing that can really be done about it.

I still have my regular Daymakers, for the exact purpose of a loaner setup to friends. It’s not a high performance touring setup, but they got me everywhere I needed to get to when I started touring.

I think the new adapter is dope, especially considering how many boots are set up for pins these days.

On another note, if you really wanted the best of uphill & downhill performance y’all would get on a tele setup. Suck it you heel locked nerds

LemuelBig ole facepalm whenever someone complains about the stack height of Daymakers. It’s basically an intro to touring piece of equipment and its pluses for that market vastly outweigh that one downfall. There’s also nothing that can really be done about it.

I still have my regular Daymakers, for the exact purpose of a loaner setup to friends. It’s not a high performance touring setup, but they got me everywhere I needed to get to when I started touring.

I think the new adapter is dope, especially considering how many boots are set up for pins these days.

On another note, if you really wanted the best of uphill & downhill performance y’all would get on a tele setup. Suck it you heel locked nerds

free your minddddd, broo

I wish i was cool enough to tele ngl.

But the real question is, how do you avoid the toe wobble of CAST, after 2 months of heavy use?

egirl.skiOkay so,

- only mount if you have a look pivot jig. the cast toe piece has a really precise fit required, and a paper template will not be good enough.
-do one or more “dry runs” on an old ski or piece of wood.
-the heel is same as normal, and the brake locks are easy to drill and install with the included template (you can also print another one from their website)
-for the toes: the toe plate has to sit completely flat, or you will have some issues, weather on it will not sit flat on the first install depends on the ski, drillbit used, and how you screw it in. If after the first installation, the plate isn’t sitting flat, you will have to take the screws out, and trim the bumps around each screw back to flat.
-make sure to use either wood glue, or glue specifically for skis, NOT EPOXY as with cast, you may have to fiddle with the screws more after mounting.
-when I install the toe piece nubs, I start them without the pivot toe, but once they are a little in there like 20%, I slide the pivot toe on, and finish screwing the screws in with the pivot toe locked in place. This has given me pretty good, tight fits, that come on and off easily.
-at the end, try all 4 toes on each ski to make sure everything fits properly.
-finally, before mounting, read Cast’s mounting guides and watch their videos, there are also some other good ones on youtube.

and make sure you get your release tested at a shop with a binding tester.

CTDHey this Chris Trunek with Daymaker Touring. I am glad you guys have seen the release of the TEKDAPTERS! I'd love to help answer any questions anyone has and I'd like to address some of the points brought up.

The TEKDAPTERS pick up where the Daymaker Classics left off, and both products are built upon the same ethos, which is a touring system that is independent of the ski. While this might sacrifice some of light weight character of a pure touring binding on the uphill, we feel the tradeoff is worth it in MANY scenarios, including some you might not initially consider.

Variable snow, low cover snow like early and late season skiing, east coast touring or any kind of less than ideal or firm snow conditions are much easier and more forgiving to ski on alpine bindings with elastic travel that can absorb the impacts from the terrain. A Shift or Duke PT can definitely do this, but are you willing to ski that pristine, high ticket setup on less than ideal conditions? With Daymakers you can be bashing rock skis in October or July and keep your good skis nice for when conditions are pristine.

DIN safety release. We feel that if your going to be way out there, knowing you are less likely to get injured is a good thing. Giray and I have both been through multiple knee and leg injuries sustained skiing, and if there's one thing I can say it's you want your skis to come off when they need to, and you want them to stay on the rest of the time. Most of us end up finding a binding we like and sticking to it, so being able to tour on what you already love and trust is huge in our eyes.

Inbounds use- if you're not touring, and skiing the resort that day, your skis are exactly as you'd want them to be. They aren't burdened by extra stack height, they don't have play from a touring interface, and they aren't going to break like some more complicated lightweight hybrid bindings might be more prone to if you're skiing aggressively. In addition, a huge trend i've seen lately is people skiing inbounds on pin touring bindings. This really makes me cringe as there are real reasons why you don't want to do this, but that's another topic for another time.

One and done- Buying Daymakers means you could theoretically never buy another touring binding, no matter how many times you get new skis. We realize alot of people who start off with Daymakers may want to add a dedicated touring setup to their fleet for those big missions, but if you already own Daymakers in your fleet, you could in theory go extra light when you do for an even more uphill optimized setup. Daymakers and Tekdapters prioritize downhill skiing performance more than literally any other touring system out there, so covering your bases and going lightweight makes alot of sense in our eyes.

Touring setup in a pack- your entire touring setup can exist within your backpack and that makes airline travel, van-life, or any other situation where space is at a premium alot easier. You might find a pair of adapters alot easier to travel with than a dedicated touring setup AND alpine gear.



Loaner setup- Daymakers are a perfect tool to get others into the sport who don't own ALL the gear.



With all that said, we think our adapters make more and more sense for alot more people than you might think!



regarding some of the concerns expressed, ill try and address those next!



Stack height- No doubt, you do stand up off the skis on Daymakers and Tekdapters. With the Daymakers, you definitely could feel that translate to some side to side movement of the heel on off camber terrain. We have beefed up the heel bail on the next generation of Daymaker Classics to help improve this, but in anything less than extreme side hills this really doesn't prove to be any kind of issue as the 4 bar tech does alot of the work transferring edging forces.

Now, with the TEKDAPTERS, we could have actually dropped the boot position a bit more, but we really wanted to maintain a position that would allow big, high performance toe pieces like Atomic/Salomon STHs, Pivots, and Marker Jesters and Tyrolia Attacks to all fit without issue or requiring fit kit type solutions. In addition, we wanted to maintain some of that heel drop stance of the Classics and a toe-high position helps allow this. This really does help if you have to descend anything or have long flat sections. In addition, the new Pitch Switch riser system is really cool and features a design that locks your boot's heel in side-to-side as it lands for each position. THIS really allows you to dig your edges in and hold that side edge in a way that wasn't possible on the Classics.

Boot compatibility. Tech inserts are here and they are going to stay. There are TONS of new all mountain boots on or coming to market that offer the same high performance, stiff shell feel of traditional boots while offering large range of motion walk modes and tech inserts. There are even options out there with ultra stiff flex patterns, no walk modes and only the toe inserts for the hardest, most discerning skiers who only plan on using a system like TEKDAPTERS, Cast, Shift, or Duke PT. If you don't have tech inserts in your boots now, there is a good chance your next boots will have them. With the post covid gear pileup, you can find these boots on sale now for incredibly low prices so it would be a great time to consider upgrading (I need a new pair first though so don't buy out the 27.5s!)

Pivot Toe weight- The site is currently a bit of a work in progress as we get everything up to speed, and it was not our intention for that to come off as a call out to Cast. They make a nice product too and we don't mean to come off that way, we'll adjust the wording! We mentioned that binding as it's one of the last metal toe pieces on the market so it is a good comparison weight wise and its one most people are familiar with.



I hope that is able to help address some of the questions and feedback expressed above! I'd really love to help in any way I can so feel free to reach out any time! info@daymakertouring.com is the fastest and best way to get ahold of both Giray and myself, but I will keep an eye on this thread since I know its here now! Thanks again you guys for starting the discussion around these and for considering them!



Thanks again,

Chris

Just listened to the blister podcast with Giray. Great info. are the new adapters actually in stock and shipping with current orders? Or are pre orders still being filled? If I ordered now would I have then before my trip Nov 27?

also what about the original adapters? A friend wants to try them but doesn’t have tech inserts in his boots. Are they shipping on time currently?

Tekdapters and Classics are shipping now! If you can add the dates you need them by in the notes field on your order it should be no problem with the free shipping option! My number is on the site, just text or call me if you want to confirm!!

Thanks!

PartyBullshiitJust listened to the blister podcast with Giray. Great info. are the new adapters actually in stock and shipping with current orders? Or are pre orders still being filled? If I ordered now would I have then before my trip Nov 27?

also what about the original adapters? A friend wants to try them but doesn’t have tech inserts in his boots. Are they shipping on time currently?

CTDTekdapters and Classics are shipping now! If you can add the dates you need them by in the notes field on your order it should be no problem with the free shipping option! My number is on the site, just text or call me if you want to confirm!!

Thanks!

Sounds great. About the weight limit on the classics. My buddy is 255 with his pack. Are we talking he’s going to blow them up being 255? Or should be fine just stop gaining weight?

Haha he should be ok, but there will obviously be a bit more wear and tear on the system. Keeping an eye on everything throughout the season is recommended. Might need to pick up a set of pivot bolts or change out links at some point if he is really hard on them, but all of our spare parts are really inexpensive so as long as he keeps an eye on things should be fine!

PartyBullshiitSounds great. About the weight limit on the classics. My buddy is 255 with his pack. Are we talking he’s going to blow them up being 255? Or should be fine just stop gaining weight?

@CTD did I see some daymakers in the new Dynastar Lemonade edit?

OregonDead@CTD did I see some daymakers in the new Dynastar Lemonade edit?

Yes sir! Alex Lundstrom is da man! I hadn't seen the edit yet, but it was an awesome watch!

@CTD have you considered partnering with Contour/Kochalpin to stock their Hybrid FAT free skins, the ones that are two strips of plush and will go on multiple skis of different widths, or work with BSMP to develop a similar product, to help push the idea of unlocking the ability to tour on any set up with minimal additions/alterations and that loaner touring set up? It would seem to me to be an ideal pairing of products.

I've never used the 2 strip skins, so don't know how they perform maybe they're too much of a compromise.

FaunaSkis@CTD have you considered partnering with Contour/Kochalpin to stock their Hybrid FAT free skins, the ones that are two strips of plush and will go on multiple skis of different widths, or work with BSMP to develop a similar product, to help push the idea of unlocking the ability to tour on any set up with minimal additions/alterations and that loaner touring set up? It would seem to me to be an ideal pairing of products.

I've never used the 2 strip skins, so don't know how they perform maybe they're too much of a compromise.

IME they're a total PITA, especially for the sort of folks who might be on Daymakers. They're harder to skin on, and harder to fold/store, so if you're new to touring and don't have great skinning technique, they make everything even worse. They also have twice the number of edges, so snow/moisture ingress is more likely. Basically, a barely usable product for experienced backcountry travelers, and a bit of a nightmare for beginners.

It is easy to make your own with a utility knife and a second hand pair of skins though, so I would never buy split skins new, instead, I'd shop second hand stores, find some narrow old skins, and cut them up.

Yes we have!!! We stocked them for a season or two, and they had really bad glue and would lose all stickiness after a little bit making them literally unusable. Unfortunate because their other skins were great. We LOVE the concept as it would be a perfect match, but like Cy said, they have issues. I have been trying to find time to innovate some ideas on that front, it has just been on the back burner for a while!

FaunaSkis@CTD have you considered partnering with Contour/Kochalpin to stock their Hybrid FAT free skins, the ones that are two strips of plush and will go on multiple skis of different widths, or work with BSMP to develop a similar product, to help push the idea of unlocking the ability to tour on any set up with minimal additions/alterations and that loaner touring set up? It would seem to me to be an ideal pairing of products.

I've never used the 2 strip skins, so don't know how they perform maybe they're too much of a compromise.

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IME with Daymaker classics, the stack height is pretty much a non-issue, but the extra weight still is. now, 500-700g, this is weight that could also be saved with lighter skis, boots and bindings, but there's obviously still a trade-off for all of those

CTDYes we have!!! We stocked them for a season or two, and they had really bad glue and would lose all stickiness after a little bit making them literally unusable. Unfortunate because their other skins were great. We LOVE the concept as it would be a perfect match, but like Cy said, they have issues. I have been trying to find time to innovate some ideas on that front, it has just been on the back burner for a while!


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Thats dissapointing to hear because, like you said, their regular skins are good. I wonder why that is if, I assume they use the same glue.

I guess the other option to go the opposite and have skins that are 80-100mm wide strips which wouldn’t need trimming and could work on multiple skis.

FaunaSkisThats dissapointing to hear because, like you said, their regular skins are good. I wonder why that is if, I assume they use the same glue.

I guess the other option to go the opposite and have skins that are 80-100mm wide strips which wouldn’t need trimming and could work on multiple skis.

Yeah that is a good option too, definitely saves weight but obviously traversing can get sketchy quick without skin to the edge.



They may have changed the glue, but I found other design issues that really did not allow the concept to work to it's potential. I do think with some alternative approaches it might be feasible though! The DIY approach Cy mentions is what I would recommend at this time!



PS, nice skis! I just followed you!

FaunaSkisThats dissapointing to hear because, like you said, their regular skins are good. I wonder why that is if, I assume they use the same glue.

I guess the other option to go the opposite and have skins that are 80-100mm wide strips which wouldn’t need trimming and could work on multiple skis.

Yeah, when I had a touring quiver, I would just trim to my skinniest ski. Never had any huge issues with slip or anything because if it was worth it to bring the big guns out, it would usually be low angle pow days. I just never had any icy side hills to run across.


Granted we are talking 108 to 118 in width, so only .5 centimeter on each side of the skin difference. But they always performed well enough to not bother spending another $150 on skins.