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Charging - Semi Touring Setup

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yungskigga
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Looking for a 100-110 charging ski that I will also use for touring. Not gonna be touring too much so I dont want a ski that will perform worse downhill for better uphill performance. Looking for something robust that can take hits and handle shitty snow conditions well (hardpack, crud, chop) Either going for a Duke or CAST setup. Currently considering:

Jeffrey 100,102,108

4FRNT Devastator

Black Crow Atris

Moment? Differences between wildcat and deathwish?

JJ UL (considering it since I dont have a powderski. my current quiver is a volkl revolt 95 and a line SFB 107)
Oct 3 2023 5:56AM
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jumpman101
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Moment dw 104 is super grippy jeff 100 is a one trick Pony for sure mine will be here today had the 102 they felt clumsy. With the jeff 100 they switched the rocker profile and gave it more effective edge for better grip
Oct 3 2023 7:12AM
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powpatrol
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atris isn’t much of charger compared to the other skis you’ve listed as well as other skis in the black crows lineup. fun ski but wouldn’t recommend out of what your looking for
Oct 3 2023 7:47AM
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KungKalmar
Posts: 1787 - Karma: 14,689
Atris is kinda boring dad ski, but i was great for touring with duke pt 16s.
Oct 3 2023 9:01AM
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migidimigi
Posts: 438 - Karma: 3,166
What about the new PWhite ski with stupid long name? Rossi free sender 110 or something like that, should be pretty chargy
Oct 3 2023 9:15AM
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yungskigga
Posts: 35 - Karma: 158
migidimigiWhat about the new PWhite ski with stupid long name? Rossi free sender 110 or something like that, should be pretty chargy


Thought about it but too heavy for touring. I think im looking for something around 1900 grams.
Oct 3 2023 9:26AM
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profa_212
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the moment dw 104 or the wildcat 108 would be great. Either in the tour layup or normal. Depends on if you want to save a couple grams or not.


Buddy of mine has cast on his devastators as his daily, hes never complained once. Devs are an outstanding daily ski
Oct 3 2023 10:16AM
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jca
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Definitely not a UL JJ.
Oct 3 2023 11:28AM
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AlwaysGrabBlunt
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White walker 116
Oct 3 2023 2:47PM
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jaxful
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Dynastar MFree 108 or Whitewalker 116
Oct 3 2023 6:30PM
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Juviticus
Posts: 359 - Karma: 1,845
QST 106 is the easy answer for me. Atris carves amazing but isn't "stable". Could look at Line Blade Optic 104 too. M-free 108 is great as well I hear
Oct 3 2023 7:40PM
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Eli.braun98
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Devastator
Oct 3 2023 9:51PM
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jompcock
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Honestly just get a dedicated touring setup if you want to do touring where weight is a concern. If it's short hikes to get to chutes, slap CAST on whatever ski and forget about the weight. If you wanna do any meaningful touring, save up and buy a dedicated touring setup.

I have a pair of JJ UL's and while they're a pretty fun pow ski, they feel heavy and floppy in anything that isn't deep powder and much better at shorter radius stuff. Great ski for deep trees and drops but charging isn't their strongsuit.

50/50 setups are kinda dumb imo. Most people that buy them do one short tour for the novelty and never tour on them again.
Oct 3 2023 10:36PM
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SupremeChairlift
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I have devastators with CAST and I think they are great. I ski mostly resort and tour 10ish times a year. For me I like the devastators because they pivot really well. I like this on hardpack because I can dump speed by slashing, and I can be more confident the ski won't dig into the snow unless I really want it to. In powder, I would never choose a ski that is not fully rockered aka something like the devastator or something from the hoji line. In powder they perform excellently at high speeds and at low speeds. I can still pivot and play around really easily while going slow in low angle powder.

However, in my opinion fully rockered skis (like the devastator) do feel different to traditional camber underfoot / rocker at the tip/tail kind of skis. So be aware that you will have to get use to skiing a fully rockered ski if you get the devastators.
Oct 4 2023 4:39AM
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hi_vis360
Posts: 5105 - Karma: 51,874
WNDR makes some skis in that weight range, but finding a ski that can charge hard that isn’t super heavy might be tough
Oct 4 2023 7:25AM
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hamsauce
Posts: 296 - Karma: 2,587
Echoing some of the replies here, get a ski that you would ski inbounds and put CAST on it. Stay away from tour layups unless you put a tech binding on. Since you wont be touring much, just suck up the extra 400 grams on the uphill for a ski that works amazing on the downhill and you can rip hard in bounds. I Like the idea of a wildcat or a devastator. I have wildcat 108s with CAST and love them a lot for the use cases you described.
Oct 4 2023 11:32AM
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PartyBullshiit
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Deathwish 104 with cast. Triple camber is the way when it comes to going uphill. And will ski basically anything on the downhill.
Oct 4 2023 1:13PM
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Bananaredbull
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bro you live in greece, u dont need a pow ski wider than the bacon at all. Even in the alps a 107 is perfect for powder. Bacons float amazingly aswell. U dont need skis fatter than 105 imo for touring and charging.

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Oct 4 2023 2:45PM
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Eli.braun98
Posts: 258 - Karma: 1,654
Honestly, something like a Deathwish 112, Wildcat 108, Jeffrey 108, and 4frnt dev will do exactly what you want. I have the devs as my inbounds ski and I live in Oregon and they do a really good job at being light enough to toss tricks but still being heavy and stiff enough to plow through heavy crud.

If I where you Id go Dev or Jeffrey
Oct 4 2023 3:53PM
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crimeenthusiast
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new this szn for me ive got the cast with deathwish 112. the extra weight of cast shouldnt be an issue as i suck with packing and consistently pack gear i dont need. imo with extra weight you just do it more and get stronger. also my tech bindings like releasing at the heel when i dont want em too so extra weight is worth not dealing with that.
Oct 4 2023 5:05PM
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iDontHitRails
Posts: 257 - Karma: 2,255
Atris was a good ski but black crows ruined it, the new model sucks. Jeff 108 is gangster
Oct 4 2023 9:20PM
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itzPebbs
Posts: 91 - Karma: 186
yungskiggaLooking for a 100-110 charging ski that I will also use for touring. Not gonna be touring too much so I dont want a ski that will perform worse downhill for better uphill performance. Looking for something robust that can take hits and handle shitty snow conditions well (hardpack, crud, chop) Either going for a Duke or CAST setup. Currently considering:

Jeffrey 100,102,108

4FRNT Devastator

Black Crow Atris

Moment? Differences between wildcat and deathwish?

JJ UL (considering it since I dont have a powderski. my current quiver is a volkl revolt 95 and a line SFB 107)


I’ve got wildcat tour 108s with atks and they ski great
Oct 8 2023 4:56PM
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deelonmusk
Posts: 234 - Karma: 1,415
Honestly if you’re not going to be touring much then I’d just buy a ski based 100% on what you’re after in terms of inbounds performance, don’t put weight into the equation. It’s silly to compromise in the resort if you’ll be touring so little.
Oct 10 2023 1:03AM
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