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Yo so Im looking for a new binding. I mostly do wizard tricks like ski slide and screamin seamen combinations, I don’t go off huge jumps. I really am trying to find the safest ski binding I can buy to prevent knee injury, are pivots the call or any other good ones? I googled it and Jespers binding came up. Anyone know what’s good w that one and what makes it good/safe or should I just rip the pivot?
I was clowned HARD for saying "Pivots help prevent knee injuries"... someone posted a link to their masters thesis about the topic.
I've since learned "Tyrolia Protectors" are a semi-new design that helps prevent ACL/knee injuries, but idk, never tried 'em.
I'll keep mounting Pivots for the swag factor tho
QuaggyI was clowned HARD for saying "Pivots help prevent knee injuries"... someone posted a link to their masters thesis about the topic.
I've since learned "Tyrolia Protectors" are a semi-new design that helps prevent ACL/knee injuries, but idk, never tried 'em.
I'll keep mounting Pivots for the swag factor tho
Gonna agree with this and toss in the main advantage of pivots is the heel elasticity. The heel does not have lateral release- the elasticity essentially makes it so you can run a more realistic din without preleasing. I dont know much about and havent ridden the Protectors, but if they do all that they advertise, that is probably the "safest". However, I will never ride them because of the 33mm stack height- thats around double that of a pivot or attack.
To answer OP- any modern binding with a realistic din would be my vote. Cant go wrong with a pivot, ive had great experience with attacks, i know some people swear by STHs, and the Marker royal family also has its fans. Din level is more important for safety than which binding you choose. This is not necessarily saying to keep your dins at what your shop puts them at, but unless youre Reine Barkered who in this clip says he runs his dins at 17 in comps, most people on NS should probably be more realistic with how much din they actually need.
**This post was edited on Aug 9th 2023 at 1:25:09am
Properly set up bindings are the best route no doubt.
But as for bindings that are “marketed” as safe - tyrolia protector and Knee bindings. Knee bindings are older and the tech is a bit more iffy and protectors are newer with the jury still out on them.
ScreaminScott_69Can you elaborate on properly adjusted bindings, like does that mean putting them on properly and like setting the dins to the right amount?
Correct foreword pressure, realistic DIN, bindings in good condition, not 5 years old.
ScreaminScott_69Can you elaborate on properly adjusted bindings, like does that mean putting them on properly and like setting the dins to the right amount?
That would refer to bindings adjusted to your boot, to the manufacturers safety standards. All bindings must meet a certain safety standard in order to be sold, so anything modern (like someone else said, last 5 years or so) that is adjusted by someone educated and licensed to do so will be safe. Unfortunately knee injuries are inherent with the activity so it’s almost impossible to completely prevent them, but properly adjusted bindings are a good place to start.
Icant_kfedLiterally anything besides squires, pivots are my personal choice but attacks feel good too, pivots just help the flex of the ski feel better imo
lol good to see squires are still universally hated
Icant_kfedLiterally anything besides squires, pivots are my personal choice but attacks feel good too, pivots just help the flex of the ski feel better imo
270on420outlol good to see squires are still universally hated
RparrLiteral child’s bindings. I am actually a big fan of jesters though
Eileen gu won the Olympic big air on squires.
if they can handle a 120lb girl doing triples, they can handle a gen zooter swerve buttering a 2 out
Canis_lupusSo do pivots heel design actually prevent knee injuries? cus thats how theyre marketed.
**This post was edited on Aug 11th 2023 at 7:23:01pm
Negative. Nothing has been proven, and I even read through Look's website, and there is nothing advertising them as preventing knee injuries. A good chunk of their marketing is on the heel elasticity helping mitigate prereleases. From Looks website:
DELIVERING ELITE-LEVEL SHOCK ABSORPTION AND THE INDUSTRY'S MOST TRUSTWORTHY RETENTION FOR A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN UNWANTED PRE-RELEASE.
If anyone finds any advertising by Look that claims to prevent knee injuries, il be the first guy to admit im wrong.
hamsauceNegative. Nothing has been proven, and I even read through Look's website, and there is nothing advertising them as preventing knee injuries. A good chunk of their marketing is on the heel elasticity helping mitigate prereleases. From Looks website:
If anyone finds any advertising by Look that claims to prevent knee injuries, il be the first guy to admit im wrong.
On their website they state "LOOK is the only binding brand to develop a true mechanical upward release that functions independently from the heel for the most effective 180⁰ MULTI DIRECTIONAL RELEASE in the instance of a fall." But what benefits does multi directional release even provide?
Canis_lupusOn their website they state "LOOK is the only binding brand to develop a true mechanical upward release that functions independently from the heel for the most effective 180⁰ MULTI DIRECTIONAL RELEASE in the instance of a fall." But what benefits does multi directional release even provide?
Thats talking about the toepiece. quoted from LOOKs description, the multidirectional release allows it to function independently from the heel. (Images 1 and 2.) Salomon claims the EXACT same thing for the STH, and im sure everyone else claims that too. (Image 3)
**This post was edited on Aug 12th 2023 at 2:32:16am
Thats talking about the toepiece. quoted from LOOKs description, the multidirectional release allows it to function independently from the heel. (Images 1 and 2.) Salomon claims the EXACT same thing for the STH, and im sure everyone else claims that too. (Image 3)
**This post was edited on Aug 12th 2023 at 2:32:16am
That is the case for the pivot 14 and below.
the 15/18 have the full metal toes which have a different release system.
hamsauceNegative. Nothing has been proven, and I even read through Look's website, and there is nothing advertising them as preventing knee injuries. A good chunk of their marketing is on the heel elasticity helping mitigate prereleases. From Looks website:
If anyone finds any advertising by Look that claims to prevent knee injuries, il be the first guy to admit im wrong.
I have no proof other than my own thoughts, but it seems the heel wouldn’t release laterally since the “bars” extend away from the heel and the heel can’t rotate easily without enough rearward elasticity. Seems like if they went forward with the adjustment bars the heel could release on rotation since the boot isn’t cupped by the heel. I wish I could explain this better.
