Cast vs Daymakers

I have Cast and if you already have boots with pins and metal look pivots then go for a Cast system. If you don't have boots with pins or pivot bindings and you want to only tour a couple times a year then I would just go for Daymakers

As mentioned do you have pivots already?

Do you have touring boots already?

PartyBullshiitAs mentioned do you have pivots already?

I’ll be getting a new settup and was planning on getting pivots

jaxfulDo you have touring boots already?

I’ll be getting new boots as well. Considering sc diverge but also when getting new boots it’d be nice to not worry about getting boots that have the pin toe. Id rather focus on getting the boot best for my feet

rsykainsI’ll be getting new boots as well. Considering sc diverge but also when getting new boots it’d be nice to not worry about getting boots that have the pin toe. Id rather focus on getting the boot best for my feet

If your plan on short tours no more than a few times a year the daymakers are a great option, but so is the cast setup. I will say that uphill in boots made for it is way better than non-touring boots in my opinion.

rsykainsI’ll be getting a new settup and was planning on getting pivots

If you’re getting pivots then cast is the way.

Only get daymakers if your boots don’t have pin inserts. I had a pair that broke last season and I can’t say that I miss them

rsykainsPros and cons of both. What would make more sense for me if I only tour a couple times a year?

You will get much better insights if you use Google to try to get info, and then ask for opinions on your findings (type: this is what I've found, do other people have different experiences?). It is hardly a new topic. I don't get these "school me" kinda posts in general - people want to make decisions based on knowledge, but do not put in the bare minimum of effort to actually figure it out themselves or sumarize their understanding in a way that will help other people asking the same question later on.

To prevent getting only down votes - long story short: get Cast + new boots with pin inserts. The only skiers who will recommend Daymakers are people who do not tour or simply cannot afford to get new boots with pin inserts and as such have limited to no experience with tech toes. There is absolute no reason whatsoever to go with Daymakers if you can also get new boots with tech inserts and pivots + cast - zero, nil, nada. The only reason to get daymakers is if you 100% cannot afford going down the costly newe boots + cast + pivot route, and then arguably only if you can find them at a steal.

Cast still make for a hefty weight on the up, but the setup is bomb proof for both touring and resort riding, and tours very well for what it is.

Also, do not get frame bindings. They suck compared to Cast and need to go away as a product category. Cast/Shift/Duke PT should have killed off frame bindings a couple of seasons ago.

I run Cast on all my resorts skis because of FOMO so have logged tons and tons of days on them, and used them for the occasional tour as well.

kid-kapowYou will get much better insights if you use Google to try to get info, and then ask for opinions on your findings (type: this is what I've found, do other people have different experiences?). It is hardly a new topic. I don't get these "school me" kinda posts in general - people want to make decisions based on knowledge, but do not put in the bare minimum of effort to actually figure it out themselves or sumarize their understanding in a way that will help other people asking the same question later on.

To prevent getting only down votes - long story short: get Cast + new boots with pin inserts. The only skiers who will recommend Daymakers are people who do not tour or simply cannot afford to get new boots with pin inserts and as such have limited to no experience with tech toes. There is absolute no reason whatsoever to go with Daymakers if you can also get new boots with tech inserts and pivots + cast - zero, nil, nada. The only reason to get daymakers is if you 100% cannot afford going down the costly newe boots + cast + pivot route, and then arguably only if you can find them at a steal.

Cast still make for a hefty weight on the up, but the setup is bomb proof for both touring and resort riding, and tours very well for what it is.

Also, do not get frame bindings. They suck compared to Cast and need to go away as a product category. Cast/Shift/Duke PT should have killed off frame bindings a couple of seasons ago.

I run Cast on all my resorts skis because of FOMO so have logged tons and tons of days on them, and used them for the occasional tour as well.

Classic condescending touring bro post lmao

hi_vis360Classic condescending touring bro post lmao

gear snob, touring bro, pedantic mf'er... I'll guess all of those can apply to me, sure thing. At least I tried to provide some insight (without any name calling) based on actual experience.

If I failed in that you get more caught up in how I say something over what I say, oh well - my bad. As I mentioned, school me posts annoy me no end - they are just so freaking lazy - so perhaps not the best frame of mind to try to answer a post in.

For reference - I prob tour/ski the resort something like 30% / 70%, but at > 50 days skiing a year that still makes for some big days out touring every season. I do not like going up though, so whatever I can do to make the uphill part suck less while still being able to ski hard going down is something I will do. Frame bindings and Daymakers make the up miserable, but sure - they are better than not being able to tour at all. After all, touring gear is freaking expensive - so yay all these new 50/50 products that rip in the resort as well.

rsykainsI’ll be getting new boots as well. Considering sc diverge but also when getting new boots it’d be nice to not worry about getting boots that have the pin toe. Id rather focus on getting the boot best for my feet

Luckily most brands make all of their fit options with a tech toe at this point. Not everybody, but close. So you shouldn't have to compromise fit to get a boot that can walk.



As other folks already said in this thread, if you're getting Pivots, CAST is the easy call. Also, if there's even a 10% chance that you're going to get into backcountry skiing and do it a bunch, CAST is the easy call. The use case for Daymakers is severely limited, so for most folks CAST is a better investment.