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WoFIowz
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All of you. You're all plebs. Even you "rich" guys on here. Plebs.

I went down another rabbit hole tonight. Started by an honest interest in the finances of a nonprofit and quickly spiraled out of control. Turns out propublica has tax returns on literally every nonprofit so you can see the salary of all the execs. The people at my hospital are compensated much better than I presumed.

They also have articles explaining how many of the billionaires of America pay less taxes than all of us. Fucking wild some of these strategies. The media always talks about this stuff but never really goes into detail before the interest fizzles out.

If the IRS and congress ever decided to close these bs loopholes, we might not be discussing a debt ceiling every 6 months. Also the government's decifit spending is just a stupid strategy.

Rant over but we're all plebs. Or sheep. Is there a difference?
May 12 2023 9:35AM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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The layers are wild. There’s so many ways to game the system. Create a charity, donate to the charity, write it off. Meanwhile, the charity is pushing agenda favorable to you because you funded it and started it.

Take out loans against your stock. Pay 1% interest on the loan. No taxes. It’s crazy how they do it. It’s all a big game.
May 12 2023 9:58AM
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ASSholebomber22
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Wahhh waahhhh life's not fair wahhhh
May 12 2023 10:21AM
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VTshredder69
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Love when uneducated people with no actual tax experience cry that millionaires and billionares don't pay taxes when the top 1% pays over 42% of total collected Federal Income tax.

**This post was edited on May 12th 2023 at 10:55:52am
May 12 2023 10:51AM
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EggMann
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VTshredder69Love when uneducated people with no actual tax experience cry that millionaires and billionares don't pay taxes when the top 1% pays over 42% of total collected Federal Income tax.

**This post was edited on May 12th 2023 at 10:55:52am


Yet they own 63-80% of revenue. And only pay true tax rates of 4%.


you are such a tool
May 12 2023 12:45PM
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eheath
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You're just figuring this out now?
May 12 2023 1:56PM
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VTshredder69
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MAKE THEM PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE WHAAAAAA. INSTEAD OF CREATING COMPANIES LIKE TESLA AND AMAZON THAT YOU WHAAAA.

If you actually hate millionaires. boycott them. You're the ones paying their taxes you dumbfucks.
May 12 2023 3:41PM
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EggMann
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VTshredder69MAKE THEM PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE WHAAAAAA. INSTEAD OF CREATING COMPANIES LIKE TESLA AND AMAZON THAT YOU WHAAAA.

If you actually hate millionaires. boycott them. You're the ones paying their taxes you dumbfucks.


Boycott millionaires? 💀 💀
May 12 2023 3:47PM
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eheath
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VTshredder69MAKE THEM PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE WHAAAAAA. INSTEAD OF CREATING COMPANIES LIKE TESLA AND AMAZON THAT YOU WHAAAA.

If you actually hate millionaires. boycott them. You're the ones paying their taxes you dumbfucks.


after your last post, one would think that you'd just give up. you're trying to be skiierman but you're bad at it.
May 12 2023 3:47PM
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ASSholebomber22
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You dorks weren't talkin this when y'all were suckin pfizer's dong the last 2 year

May 12 2023 10:00PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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I don’t agree with the sentiment but this made me lol
ASSholebomber22You dorks weren't talkin this when y'all were suckin pfizer's dong the last 2 year

May 12 2023 10:17PM
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Lonely
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Man discovers world is round. More to come at 7.
May 12 2023 10:34PM
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Lonely
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VTshredder69MAKE THEM PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE WHAAAAAA. INSTEAD OF CREATING COMPANIES LIKE TESLA AND AMAZON THAT YOU WHAAAA.

If you actually hate millionaires. boycott them. You're the ones paying their taxes you dumbfucks.


The Elon flip flops are so funny.

Really looking forward to the response after his new head of Twitter pick.

I hated Elon before it was cool. And then not cool. And then cool again
May 12 2023 10:37PM
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WoFIowz
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LonelyThe Elon flip flops are so funny.

Really looking forward to the response after his new head of Twitter pick.

I hated Elon before it was cool. And then not cool. And then cool again

Love him or hate him. He's still incredibly smart and started a ton of businesses
May 13 2023 12:00AM
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EggMann
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Turd__AuthorityLove him or hate him. He's still incredibly smart and started a ton of businesses


He just bought a lot of businesses. Bro didnt really do much
May 13 2023 1:22AM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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He gets a lot more credit than he’s due. I’m all for due credit but the Elon shit is exhausting
EggMannHe just bought a lot of businesses. Bro didnt really do much
May 13 2023 1:49AM
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WoFIowz
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EggMannHe just bought a lot of businesses. Bro didnt really do much

You should read his wikipedia if you really think he's just some rich guy who buys shit lol
May 13 2023 4:17AM
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VTshredder69
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Lets tax people who start businesses and employ millions of people more, so they can employ less people and hand over money to the government who will give it to ukraine.

You guys are so fucking stupid it's actually not funny anymore.
May 13 2023 7:54AM
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VTshredder69
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eheathafter your last post, one would think that you'd just give up. you're trying to be skiierman but you're bad at it.


You literally do nothing except call people stupid in every thread you post in.

You never have anything to contribute at all except try and be a bully.

So i'll participate. You're a fat angy incel who sucks at golf

--- Per Josh Patterson.
May 13 2023 7:55AM
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little1337
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ASSholebomber22Wahhh waahhhh life's not fair wahhhh


I'm genuinely curious how you think its okay for billionaires to pay less in taxes than people in the middle class
May 13 2023 8:31AM
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ASSholebomber22
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little1337I'm genuinely curious how you think its okay for billionaires to pay less in taxes than people in the middle class


What do you mean pay less in taxes? Skirt income via investment in business like any other business owner regardless of class? Fact of the matter is the tax contributions from the upper class and above absolutely dwarf anything from the lower and middle classes already by a large margin.

Own a business then complain about how little someone else gets taxed lol
May 13 2023 10:28AM
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WoFIowz
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ASSholebomber22What do you mean pay less in taxes? Skirt income via investment in business like any other business owner regardless of class? Fact of the matter is the tax contributions from the upper class and above absolutely dwarf anything from the lower and middle classes already by a large margin.

Own a business then complain about how little someone else gets taxed lol

25% tax rate sounds nice to me but we all know many pay way less or even profit from it.

https://itep.org/55-profitable-corporations-zero-corporate-tax/
May 13 2023 11:54AM
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ASSholebomber22
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Turd__Authority25% tax rate sounds nice to me but we all know many pay way less or even profit from it.

https://itep.org/55-profitable-corporations-zero-corporate-tax/


Not paying income tax doesn't mean companies don't have tax contributions just an fyi

Every company ever limits/reinvests taxable income to as close as 0 as possible.
May 13 2023 12:03PM
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VTshredder69
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I genuinely find it funny how many people complain about billionaires and millionaires not paying "their fair share in taxes" yet they work for these people.

The top1% of earners paying only 43% of total income tax isn't ENOUGH!

We need to pay the government more money so they can use it to hand away to UKRAINE and to fund more military equipment to start more wars!

Fuck off you plebs

**This post was edited on May 13th 2023 at 2:59:40pm
May 13 2023 2:58PM
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WoFIowz
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You're some kind of stupid aren't ya
ASSholebomber22Not paying income tax doesn't mean companies don't have tax contributions just an fyi

Every company ever limits/reinvests taxable income to as close as 0 as possible.
May 13 2023 7:41PM
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ASSholebomber22
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Turd__AuthorityYou're some kind of stupid aren't ya


Tell me you've never ran a business without telling me
May 13 2023 8:16PM
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PeppermillReno
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I'm older now but in my early 20s any time I'd meet or interact with legit rich people out of college they all worked for their parents/families 'charities' or non profits. 80 cents on the dollar of a donation goes into the pocket of the rich people who started these things while 20 goes towards their 'cause.
May 14 2023 10:15AM
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WoFIowz
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ASSholebomber22Tell me you've never ran a business without telling me

You own your own business? OK now fuck off.
May 14 2023 10:20AM
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ASSholebomber22
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Turd__AuthorityYou own your own business? OK now fuck off.



May 14 2023 10:32AM
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WoFIowz
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ASSholebomber22

I guess that makes sense that you'd be the weird kid who drops his pants to his ankles to pee.
May 14 2023 12:32PM
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SteezyYeeter
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apparently shell oil funded the vietnam war
May 14 2023 2:51PM
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ASSholebomber22
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Turd__AuthorityI guess that makes sense that you'd be the weird kid who drops his pants to his ankles to pee.



May 14 2023 3:18PM
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EggMann
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ASSholebomber22


Lmao thats so corny

bro thought he did something
May 14 2023 3:33PM
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ASSholebomber22
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EggMannLmao thats so corny

bro thought he did something



May 14 2023 3:51PM
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Lonely
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Turd__AuthorityLove him or hate him. He's still incredibly smart and started a ton of businesses


Which businesses did he start again?
May 14 2023 4:49PM
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GrapeHunter
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ASSholebomber22


this is epic as hell



also get ur money up u fuckin losers hahahaha
May 14 2023 6:24PM
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WoFIowz
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ASSholebomber22

Nice dildo.
May 14 2023 8:01PM
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WoFIowz
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LonelyWhich businesses did he start again?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk
May 14 2023 8:01PM
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Granby_killdozer
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LonelyWhich businesses did he start again?


Paypal and spacex. Also he made Tesla what it is today. Not sure if it’s still the case but at one point they were valued higher than the rest of the automotive industry combined and he is the man that got them there…
May 14 2023 9:20PM
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EggMann
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Turd__Authorityhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk


I guess he did actually found more than I thought but I still hate how he is idolized. Mf treats enployees awfully, has awful takes, is awful to the environment.

and people still say he “deserves his wealth”
May 14 2023 9:53PM
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Lonely
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Granby_killdozerPaypal and spacex. Also he made Tesla what it is today. Not sure if it’s still the case but at one point they were valued higher than the rest of the automotive industry combined and he is the man that got them there…


Yeah, this is the thing with goofy people like Turd.

I will never deny musks business acumen, as much as I don't like most of his schtick (whether it be his reddit arc or his conservative arc) he has a pretty good track record when it comes to where to put money, for the most part.

But to say he "Founded a ton of businesses" ...it doesn't seem to be the case.

To my knowledge paypal was a merger between two companies, one of which Musk was a founder of. After the merger musk was replaced.

In regards to tesla-He did amazing things revitalizing it and popularizing the electric car. The most impressive of part of Tesla is probably the charging network and less so the cars that have increasingly poor production. When it comes to the market share, it seems like it's the equivalent of gme, dogecoin, etc. etc. Does not follow the usual fundamentals. And is overvalued. Follows some weird fundamentals, so I guess it still works.In my skeptical and biased world, tesla doesn't survive 40-60% investment in EV's from volvo, bmw, ford, etc. etc.

First adopter advantage only last so long before the economics of scale takes over. But who knows, tesla could win out.

SpaceX is cool, but doesn't it get 75% + of its funding from the federal government?? At that point it's basically a federal agency. I like big ships though and they deserve the fed dollars.

I like billionaires about as much as politicians. Not a lot. Musk is also cringe and went from cucking to Redditors to cucking to Twitter users so my musk seething is core to my being at this point. Those are the two worst groups of people after NSers. Buddy just wants attention and is the tech version of a Kardashian.

Tldr, the companies are alright, dude acts like a dipshit and get's worshipped by the biggest "pick me" cucks on the planet whether they be reddit lefty or twitter rightoid
May 14 2023 10:50PM
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WoFIowz
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EggMannI guess he did actually found more than I thought but I still hate how he is idolized. Mf treats enployees awfully, has awful takes, is awful to the environment.

and people still say he “deserves his wealth”

Not on the Elon train and never was. Trying to be objective here. I was just pointing out that his choices are a big part of how he got to where he is today. He was privileged but privilege isn't a guarantee for success of this magnitude. Now he's just like any of us not being fake and doing whatever he wants because he can without giving a shit. Now him being a shit hole to his employees, yeah that's fucked up, but also consider he's just being public about it. Plenty other ceos the same way, just don't make the news.
LonelyYeah, this is the thing with goofy people like Turd.

I will never deny musks business acumen, as much as I don't like most of his schtick (whether it be his reddit arc or his conservative arc) he has a pretty good track record when it comes to where to put money, for the most part.

. When it comes to the market share, it seems like it's the equivalent of gme, dogecoin, etc. etc. Does not follow the usual fundamentals. And is overvalued. Follows some weird fundamentals, so I guess it still works.In my skeptical and biased world, tesla doesn't survive 40-60% investment in EV's from volvo, bmw, ford, etc. etc.

I embellished a bit. That was really my only point. Yes he's a d bag. He's also intelligent. Those things are not mutually exclusive. But thank you for saying that about tesla. Fucking nuts the market cap they have.
May 15 2023 12:54AM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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People need to look at Tesla 10-K. It’s a fucking joke dependent on government subsidies and market speculation
LonelyYeah, this is the thing with goofy people like Turd.

I will never deny musks business acumen, as much as I don't like most of his schtick (whether it be his reddit arc or his conservative arc) he has a pretty good track record when it comes to where to put money, for the most part.

But to say he "Founded a ton of businesses" ...it doesn't seem to be the case.

To my knowledge paypal was a merger between two companies, one of which Musk was a founder of. After the merger musk was replaced.

In regards to tesla-He did amazing things revitalizing it and popularizing the electric car. The most impressive of part of Tesla is probably the charging network and less so the cars that have increasingly poor production. When it comes to the market share, it seems like it's the equivalent of gme, dogecoin, etc. etc. Does not follow the usual fundamentals. And is overvalued. Follows some weird fundamentals, so I guess it still works.In my skeptical and biased world, tesla doesn't survive 40-60% investment in EV's from volvo, bmw, ford, etc. etc.

First adopter advantage only last so long before the economics of scale takes over. But who knows, tesla could win out.

SpaceX is cool, but doesn't it get 75% + of its funding from the federal government?? At that point it's basically a federal agency. I like big ships though and they deserve the fed dollars.

I like billionaires about as much as politicians. Not a lot. Musk is also cringe and went from cucking to Redditors to cucking to Twitter users so my musk seething is core to my being at this point. Those are the two worst groups of people after NSers. Buddy just wants attention and is the tech version of a Kardashian.

Tldr, the companies are alright, dude acts like a dipshit and get's worshipped by the biggest "pick me" cucks on the planet whether they be reddit lefty or twitter rightoid
May 15 2023 12:59AM
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WoFIowz
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BradFiAusNzCoCaPeople need to look at Tesla 10-K. It’s a fucking joke dependent on government subsidies and market speculation

Unless they start making cheaper models I don't understand how they expect to be competitive in the non-luxury market. Those subsidies will eventually end once EVs are more widespread. All the big automakers are shuttling billions into development of their EV lines and either retooling or adding additional infrastructure. Meanwhile tesla raised prices of vehicles lol

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/AUTOS-INVESTMENT/ELECTRIC/akpeqgzqypr/
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EggMann
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Turd__AuthorityNot on the Elon train and never was. Trying to be objective here. I was just pointing out that his choices are a big part of how he got to where he is today. He was privileged but privilege isn't a guarantee for success of this magnitude. Now he's just like any of us not being fake and doing whatever he wants because he can without giving a shit. Now him being a shit hole to his employees, yeah that's fucked up, but also consider he's just being public about it. Plenty other ceos the same way, just don't make the news.


yeah wasnt trying to say you were an elon fan, just hate people who are like that.
I dont mean to insinuate that he didnt cause himself to be rich. Just was trying to say no one earns the type of wealth that elon has.
May 15 2023 3:38AM
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little1337
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The worst part about Elon is that he’s not even funny
May 15 2023 6:25AM
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WoFIowz
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little1337

The worst part about Elon is that he’s not even funny


I thought having Twitter auto send poop emojis to all reporter inquiries is pretty funny lol
May 15 2023 7:48AM
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VTshredder69
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Makes electric cars to try and solve climate change.

Leans right politically

Despised by people who care about the environment.

LOL
May 15 2023 10:29AM
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Jems
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little1337

The worst part about Elon is that he’s not even funny


I love going on "billionaire mindset" instagram accounts and finding elon dickriders arguing with other people
May 15 2023 12:35PM
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qazwsxedc34
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Reclasifying an employee as an independent contractor is so common and little is done about it. Employers who do this should be executed.
May 15 2023 2:22PM
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qazwsxedc34
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The debt ceiling doesn't exist. How can a trading corporation chartered as a 'Republic' ie. charter corporation which in its charter is SELF-FUNDING be indebted to itself? Just write it off on a different account book. The founders knew this. That's how they were able to fund the 'Revolutionary' war.

Oh wait, the Federal Reserve chartered by Congress somehow controls congress and we have to pay interest payments with our labor. Who owns FED? Who started the FED? hmmmm, Warburg, hmmmm, Seligmann, hmmmm, teachers unions, hmmmmm, plebs. We bent over backwards and the ruling class stuck their boom and bust in our asses.

Good thing 4 trillion dollars in wages was stolen from the middle class during the manufactured syndemic and 4 trillion gained by the billionaire class to prevent the global repo bust. You'd think people would wake up but instead they cry about some disabled lady who gets SSI but not billionaire parasites stealing trillions.

Just work harder. Everyone can be a billionaire.
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