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BrattyTick
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I can't take it. TGR needs to have a revival. Yes they were pioneers and they have supported support some rad athlete past and present. They deserve respect for that. But cookie cutter films with wide angle pow porn shots needs to die, atleast for now. Especially with the 20+ sponsors and what seems to be by far the most amount of money given to a production company. They have the cash to be pushing the game but instead we get the same god damn movies every year.

In all fairness the full trailer hasn't dropped yet but I highly doubt I'll be pleasantly surprised.

How does TGR revive?
Apr 19 2023 9:15PM
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Film.
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Contract out Zootspace for their next movie.
Apr 19 2023 9:23PM
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Christian_Bale
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doubt a revival will ever happen. Sad to say but what they're doing now is what works best for more mainstream wider audiences. I doubt they're interested in appealing to more niche audiences.
Apr 19 2023 10:15PM
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Neihartcatshart1
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TGR street edits would be crazy, maybe Child Labor colllab???
Apr 19 2023 10:17PM
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joog
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I think there's something to be said about who is producing the movies and what their motives are. TGR comes into each season with a massive budget and a ton of sponsors and are typically looking to appeal to a much wider audience than a lot of the self produced edits that are popular on here. Back when they were pionering action sports films they were probably operating a lot more like a collective than a corporation which meant less budget and more core. Sponsors are not as likely to throw big money their way if it's not gonna be filmed in hyper slow mo with insane red camera quality and that's probably what drives this 'decline'. I have a feeling that more money involved means less input from the skiers themselves which is something that makes zootspace and magma way more popular on a site like this - everyone is super involved in the process together and it feels more authentic. Same thing is happening in surfing - all the good content is coming directly from the surfers themselves and not so much the bigger corporations
Apr 19 2023 11:08PM
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armchair_skier
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joogI think there's something to be said about who is producing the movies and what their motives are. TGR comes into each season with a massive budget and a ton of sponsors and are typically looking to appeal to a much wider audience than a lot of the self produced edits that are popular on here. Back when they were pionering action sports films they were probably operating a lot more like a collective than a corporation which meant less budget and more core. Sponsors are not as likely to throw big money their way if it's not gonna be filmed in hyper slow mo with insane red camera quality and that's probably what drives this 'decline'. I have a feeling that more money involved means less input from the skiers themselves which is something that makes zootspace and magma way more popular on a site like this - everyone is super involved in the process together and it feels more authentic. Same thing is happening in surfing - all the good content is coming directly from the surfers themselves and not so much the bigger corporations


new copypasta dropped
Apr 19 2023 11:33PM
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joog
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armchair_skiernew copypasta dropped


sorry took a bowl and kinda nerded out
Apr 19 2023 11:59PM
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BrattyTick
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joogI think there's something to be said about who is producing the movies and what their motives are. TGR comes into each season with a massive budget and a ton of sponsors and are typically looking to appeal to a much wider audience than a lot of the self produced edits that are popular on here. Back when they were pionering action sports films they were probably operating a lot more like a collective than a corporation which meant less budget and more core. Sponsors are not as likely to throw big money their way if it's not gonna be filmed in hyper slow mo with insane red camera quality and that's probably what drives this 'decline'. I have a feeling that more money involved means less input from the skiers themselves which is something that makes zootspace and magma way more popular on a site like this - everyone is super involved in the process together and it feels more authentic. Same thing is happening in surfing - all the good content is coming directly from the surfers themselves and not so much the bigger corporations


Fair point. I see the appeal to the larger audience. Regardless I think tgr is stagnate and has been for a while. Its possible for them to mix it up while still appealing to a larger audience.
Apr 20 2023 1:32AM
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switchlip2
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Fuck tgr
Apr 20 2023 1:46AM
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Brocka_Flocka
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t0dd j0nez
Apr 20 2023 1:48AM
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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quick little thing here too from when TGR did a cool thing 10 years ago:

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/744615/Dale-Talkington--39-s-Winning-Edit-for-TGR--39-s-2013-Co-Lab-Contest
Apr 20 2023 2:26AM
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mikem
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tgr has a place, get kids into skiing so they can get educated enough to stop watching tgr films.
Apr 20 2023 3:38AM
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Brother_trucker
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BrattyTickI can't take it. TGR needs to have a revival. Yes they were pioneers and they have supported support some rad athlete past and present. They deserve respect for that. But cookie cutter films with wide angle pow porn shots needs to die, atleast for now. Especially with the 20+ sponsors and what seems to be by far the most amount of money given to a production company. They have the cash to be pushing the game but instead we get the same god damn movies every year.

In all fairness the full trailer hasn't dropped yet but I highly doubt I'll be pleasantly surprised.

How does TGR revive?


To be fair if I had a large budget and film crew at my disposal I think I'd probably head for The Chugach as well.... just saying... Pow porn has always been the mainstay of movies. Typically they always had some other stuff in as well, but that is the maximum aspirational part of snowsports. It's one reason why almost all skis now have rocker and the industry generally is trying to pretend everyone can be an off piste hero with the marketing of such kit. You only need to look at the number of people that are sucked in by that marketing. You always see people sliding round on firm or icy piste in them massive stupidly flappy tipped Rossignol skis (maybe the Sky 7 or something) in Europe, when there is no pow anywhere in resort and hasn't been for days or even weeks. It shows the level to which this part of the sport is the one people think they want the most. Apparently they've never enjoyed the first few runs down a perfect black run groomer on a corn snow day just as it gets on the soften, or maybe they never tried park. But the marketing certainly works on some.
Apr 20 2023 4:10AM
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Brother_trucker
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BrattyTickI can't take it. TGR needs to have a revival. Yes they were pioneers and they have supported support some rad athlete past and present. They deserve respect for that. But cookie cutter films with wide angle pow porn shots needs to die, atleast for now. Especially with the 20+ sponsors and what seems to be by far the most amount of money given to a production company. They have the cash to be pushing the game but instead we get the same god damn movies every year.

In all fairness the full trailer hasn't dropped yet but I highly doubt I'll be pleasantly surprised.

How does TGR revive?


And I guess the problem these days is there are how many new movies every year, or week come to that. It used to be the case you'd have a few films a year by the like of Greg Stump or Warren Miller, now there's everyone else with their iPhones and GoPros (nauseating as the fish eye footage from these is at the moment). Too much of a good thing.
Apr 20 2023 4:14AM
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Brother_trucker
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Christian_Baledoubt a revival will ever happen. Sad to say but what they're doing now is what works best for more mainstream wider audiences. I doubt they're interested in appealing to more niche audiences.


Probably correct, at the end of the day it's a business. And the mainstay aspirational part of snowsports is powder trips. Hell, lots of UK ski shops almost exclusively sell the pow kit and touring kit these days when they used to sell everything. The entire focus of the industry is on that as a marketing exercise. I guess powder is and always has been the aspirational part of skiing/boarding because of a few factors:

1. Really good days are generally rather rare in a given season, and has that lightness and float to it, plus the silence as you move.
2. It seems less likely to end in a trip to hospital for the average punter when they try it, than high level park stuff (which of course it is mostly). Even though you can easy do a Michael Schumacher if you haven't seen the conditions before the snow arrives, hence all those sideslipped or snow-plough turned grinds over rocks that you can always see from the chair following 10cm of fresh on a given day....
3. Appears to take less skill and balls than doing a tasty rail or XL line kicker, again true.
4. Can give pro looking photos to people that are actually rather incompetent at skiing or boarding. Hence the term "Pro-snow" which I heard for the first time on a 3 day heli-ski trip in BC in 2008 with some of the aforementioned unskilled people trying heli-skiing instead of learning to ski properly first.

I was quite amazed how many people paid the kind of money out to go heli-skiing when they basically couldn't ski yet, never mind ski proper powder. And it didn't stop them calling themselves "advanced" and even some that thought they were "experts" when asked to assess their own level by the guides. Humility didn't even reach these people's minds being as they were in proper back-country territory for the first time in their lives, because I guess they think it looks easy on film.... I would bet they wouldn't just go try a long nasty rail, or blast off a huge kicker telling all and sundry they are expert at it... And this is one reason park / street stuff will always be somewhat niche, because there is consequence to it and need to have decent basic skill and balance. Everyone learning it to a decent standard will incur injuries and falls along the way, some of which will hurt and may have lasting damage. This is not appealing to the masses. They just want a good looking insta photo from their week a season.

P.S. can you tell its a crap day here in France :-)
Apr 20 2023 5:30AM
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Icant_kfed
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Keep in mind tgr does not market to the same audience as level 1, strictly, child labor, at least not anymore, expecting a street movie is like expecting a edgeless stockli
Apr 20 2023 9:38AM
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SofaKingSick
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they ain't my cup of tea but i mean, they're doing something right if they're still well-funded these days

most skiers, esp the ones with money, do not have the same artistic preferences as retardpotheadskiers.com, and if you think the money that TGR gets would otherwise go to fuckin zootspace or something, you're mistaken. lots of people like those movies apparently, and it's sick that kids and families can get into it
Apr 20 2023 9:53AM
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Farmville420
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Honestly I like having the option to watch either an independent street cut or a red epic dragon hyper slow mo pow segment in nepal. At the level 1 film fest it was super dope watching "YUP" immediately followed by "why not?", really made me appreciate how you can make entire films from two completely separate niches of the sport
Apr 20 2023 10:54AM
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IsaacNW82
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It sucks, TGR is definitely capable of so much more. Shoutout Legs of Steel though, they seem to regularly put all that big sponsor money to good use
Apr 20 2023 10:59AM
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skierman
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LOL who the fuck cares?
Apr 20 2023 11:59AM
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armchair_skier
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joogsorry took a bowl and kinda nerded out


I think there's something to be said about who is producing the movies and what their motives are. TGR comes into each season with a massive budget and a ton of sponsors and are typically looking to appeal to a much wider audience than a lot of the self produced edits that are popular on here. Back when they were pionering action sports films they were probably operating a lot more like a collective than a corporation which meant less budget and more core. Sponsors are not as likely to throw big money their way if it's not gonna be filmed in hyper slow mo with insane red camera quality and that's probably what drives this 'decline'. I have a feeling that more money involved means less input from the skiers themselves which is something that makes zootspace and magma way more popular on a site like this - everyone is super involved in the process together and it feels more authentic. Same thing is happening in surfing - all the good content is coming directly from the surfers themselves and not so much the bigger corporations
Apr 20 2023 4:09PM
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Session
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Stop caring. The average NS member is not the target audience.
Apr 20 2023 4:22PM
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eljefe
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Since perspective is everything, as a 36 year old 'old timer,' the reason I like TGR now is the same reason I didn't like TGR once upon a time, (as an aside, Sage's breakout segment from winter 04-05 on the dvd version to Metallica's 'to whom the bell tolls' before music licensing was the problem it is now, STILL gets me hype... but I digress.)

When I was 'IN' the progression scene, I watched ski movies because the cutting edge of what was happening in skiing was rad. Every next premier season there was some mind-blowing up and comer or one-up in the movies.

Now, with little kids of my own, a career, and still figuring out how to get 50-60 days a year in the mountains, and 20 + years of premier seasons, it just doesn't matter that much anymore the content of the movie. Don't get me wrong, there will always be a couple clips that are like, 'holy shit,' but instead there becomes a sort of comfort and inspiration and nostalgia that happens when you see all your old friends you probably won't see often at the premier, and the look on my kids face when they are looking around wondering who all these hooligans are.

And there is this shared resonance of the community that exists both in the local and national scene that becomes this kind of gratitude and wonder that we all somehow pulled it off, yet again. And while that looks different for everyone, the producers, the athletes, the consumers, both avid and from afar, THIS is why a company like TGR gets the budget they do, and make what they make, and have a thriving business 25 years later. AND, there is a shared history among all of us who have kind of 'grown up' in this thing.
Apr 20 2023 6:05PM
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Farmville420
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BigPurpleSkiSuitquick little thing here too from when TGR did a cool thing 10 years ago:

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/744615/Dale-Talkington--39-s-Winning-Edit-for-TGR--39-s-2013-Co-Lab-Contest

@thankagaper 's favorite edit
Apr 20 2023 6:13PM
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hemlockjibber8
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Ya I wish they would revive them selves and use shitty dad cam footage of a bunch of trend whore flapping their arms around like a wacky wavy inflatable arm guy dressed up like it belongs in a Ace of Base music video.
Apr 21 2023 10:29AM
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SteezyYeeter
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the kids at mrg all like tgf. im conflicted?!?!
Apr 21 2023 11:00AM
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torchere
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Needs inbounds hardpack freeride content
Apr 21 2023 3:29PM
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jps2.0
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tgr films the same segment at jackson every year. jerking each over off about how good jackson is.
like there are plenty of other places to ski
Apr 21 2023 9:15PM
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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torchereNeeds inbounds hardpack freeride content


https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/761809/Not-Powder-Skiing--It--39-s-Sh-t-F-ck-Skiing---Likebomb-Skiing--Ep--1
Apr 22 2023 12:59PM
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soup
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Neihartcatshart1TGR street edits would be crazy, maybe Child Labor colllab???


Is that really going to make you buy the movie though? No. You'll wait until it gets dropped on newsxhoolers for free.


Why do you care what TGR is doing they have a model and it appears enough people to keep doing it. Enjoy your free insta edits and let them do their thing.
Apr 22 2023 1:13PM
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_bardown
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Movie was trash, full of repetitive corny pow shots that we’ve seen a million times. The theme was about “legendary skiers” but the theme was poorly executed. There’s nothing legendary about getting dropped from a helicopter to ski another line in Alaska. Just another marketing tactic to glorify pow skiing. Lame
Oct 21 2023 2:13PM
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trevorschu
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The amount of ads and sponsors for the movie was honestly laughable. Just insane
Oct 21 2023 2:40PM
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KungKalmar
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_bardownMovie was trash, full of repetitive corny pow shots that we’ve seen a million times. The theme was about “legendary skiers” but the theme was poorly executed. There’s nothing legendary about getting dropped from a helicopter to ski another line in Alaska. Just another marketing tactic to glorify pow skiing. Lame

What did you expect from them? They basically release the same movie every year.
Oct 21 2023 2:45PM
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Slowbro
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Neihartcatshart1TGR street edits would be crazy, maybe Child Labor colllab???


TGR already made street parts with Clayton Vila, Sean Jordan, and Cam Riley
Oct 21 2023 2:50PM
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vissi
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There are other options.

https://matchstickpro.com/category/the-vault/
27 MSP movies from 1993-2016

https://www.skimag.com/tag/warren-miller-films
48 WM movies from 1961-202

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJQEP72pQ6g&list=PLJ77QBAdDL0wSi6pkVhUscWmfc7IOUW3N
8 Level 1 movies from 2000-2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fQrn3qhyWE&list=PLXpL_XgAixioSU2gEIi3dbLHfxuOKXhjv&index=20
25 InspiredMediaTV archives movies from 1997-2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scBs6YvevBo&list=PLcAPalaDCYeTjQ0dYg2nfhh--F5wprYIM
25 Armada movies and shorts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX3Rtjvl9zU&list=PLOEJfpNdkokQZHn4fnYwZfHEtuyUofd0k
My personal list of 80+ ski movies on youtube

Yes, some of these are not aimed at NS audience, but many of the old movies still go hard.

**This post was edited on Oct 21st 2023 at 4:43:16pm
Oct 21 2023 4:41PM
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SteezyYeeter
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vissiYes, some of these are not aimed at NS audience, but many of the old movies still go hard.

**This post was edited on Oct 21st 2023 at 4:43:16pm


thanks for the lists bro. and agreed, old wme, etc. movies are valid.
Oct 21 2023 4:49PM
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vissi
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SteezyYeeterthanks for the lists bro. and agreed, old wme, etc. movies are valid.

no problem bro
Oct 21 2023 5:00PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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You have to understand that every year it's someone's first TGR movie. They've never seen wide angle slowmo powder skiing shots or anything else. Even if they make the same movie every year, there's always some fresh audience to show it to.
Oct 21 2023 6:20PM
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skierman
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a_pla5tic_bagYou have to understand that every year it's someone's first TGR movie. They've never seen wide angle slowmo powder skiing shots or anything else. Even if they make the same movie every year, there's always some fresh audience to show it to.


Yeah man, cater ski movies to gapers. Fantastic idea.
Oct 21 2023 11:34PM
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Goretex_Vidal
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a_pla5tic_bagYou have to understand that every year it's someone's first TGR movie. They've never seen wide angle slowmo powder skiing shots or anything else. Even if they make the same movie every year, there's always some fresh audience to show it to.


A friend I ski with is this skier; he skis 4 days a season either with me or with his aunt and only picked up skiing in the past couple years. He’s excited to go to the new Warren Miller movie at the theater in his town and sent me the trailer telling me about how sick it was.
Oct 22 2023 12:11AM
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SofaKingSick
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skiermanYeah man, cater ski movies to gapers. Fantastic idea.


"gapers" basically subsidize our sport so yeah it's not really the craziest idea
Oct 23 2023 10:12AM
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SirVicSmasher
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jps2.0tgr films the same segment at jackson every year. jerking each over off about how good jackson is.
like there are plenty of other places to ski

There certainly are plenty of other places to ski than Jackson, but if you've never been and only seen it in films they don't do it close to justice it is a remarkable area and I'll gladly join in the TGR circle jerk about how great of a place it is. Jackson Hole is consistently ranked in the top 10 US resorts, and for good reason. I've discussed (and nearly convinced) moving to WY with my wife on multiple occasions to have JH be my home mountain. All ways down from the top of the Tram (corbet's cabin?) are incredible. Cody Bowl is outstanding, one of the best in the lower 48 that I've skied. Also TGR films are fully advertising not only exotic locations most folks will never ski but resorts/areas the layman could ski even if they only ski the blue squares. I get what you're saying, there are many many more locations to ski/shoot, but I'm sure JH gives TGR quite the incentives to use their resort which is a good reason to return plus the access to the terrain in the Tetons makes Jackson a great basecamp/headquarters for a week+ of filming.

What do I know though? I'm an old guy now, I haven't looked at a street spot in near a decade and I'll hit the park only a few handful of times a season
Oct 23 2023 11:06AM
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skierman
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SofaKingSick"gapers" basically subsidize our sport so yeah it's not really the craziest idea


Who fucking cares? Imagine if Level 1, MSP, TGR, etc. only made movies that appealed to gapers?


Yeah man, let's ruin ski movies because gapers spend more money. Stop being a fucking idiot.
Oct 23 2023 11:28AM
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snomaster
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tgr has worked with a bunch of colab stuff 4bi9, shredbots, stept and on the bike side they work with anthill and many more.

also, Dale might have pocketed $100k upfront, but we all know the real winner of the actual CoLab contest was Nick McNutt.

so why are they stale? I think they cram too much into one film every year. And then use corny themes to try and tie some of it together. And it always feels the same. These days I like the shorts they make more than the features. And the best series they've made was JJ's Deeper Further Higher. Because it was focused on one mission/crew.
Oct 23 2023 1:31PM
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SteezyYeeter
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skiermanWho fucking cares? Imagine if Level 1, MSP, TGR, etc. only made movies that appealed to gapers?


Yeah man, let's ruin ski movies because gapers spend more money. Stop being a fucking idiot.


are you so lazy that you can't just find another company or crew to watch movies from? why would it even bother you in the slightest
Oct 23 2023 3:28PM
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skierman
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SteezyYeeterare you so lazy that you can't just find another company or crew to watch movies from? why would it even bother you in the slightest


I'm talking about past tense, you fucking moron.
Oct 23 2023 4:50PM
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OldManAtABasin
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TGR is the worst of the big budget studios.
Oct 23 2023 8:09PM
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