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Icant_kfedHot take: I’d rather have a couple squirrels be evicted than wait in completely stopped traffic for several hours
CoolChillGuy420It's not about the squirrels bro it's about maintaining the lifestyle that is LCC bro. You don't know if you haven't been bro.
CoolChillGuy420Nonsense bro. Trust me bro getting up at 4am to wait in a 4 hour traffic line and peeing in your nalgene bottles is so much fun bro and not getting up to the base of the resort before 10am only to have most of the mountain closed due to mitigation is so rad bro trust me bro you just don't get it bro it's wasangeles bro.
CoolChillGuy420It's not about the squirrels bro it's about maintaining the lifestyle that is LCC bro. You don't know if you haven't been bro.
eheathAnother hot take: they're going to build it whether you sign a petition or not, sorry.
I think people are going to forget about it when they have to start paying $10-20 just to drive up the canyon next year. Outrage rules all.
BigPurpleSkiSuitI am going to be very sad when this happens because I like driving up the canyon when I know there's always a parking spot to be found. If they start tolling the canyon while keeping bus service the same then I will be absurdly sad.
eheathtolling is coming, maybe next year, but if not probably the next.
BigPurpleSkiSuitUgghhhh this is going to make traffic so much worse
eheathI would argue the opposite, less cars = less traffic.
PC town traffic was significantly better this year because the parking cost money. same shit is gonna happen in the canyon, more car pooling, more busses, less cars and likely less traffic.
BigPurpleSkiSuitfrom what I understand the toll will be from 7-10 AM in the morning on weekends, meaning that it will simply shift traffic around those times. I think a lot of people would rather just wait and drive up at 10 AM rather than getting up early to take a bus.
eheathsounds like if you're down with the bus you're getting first tracks then.
the bus system needs to be 2-3x for sure, its bullshit it got cut in half this year. but i believe with a toll they will push public transit very hard.
BigPurpleSkiSuitfrom what I understand the toll will be from 7-10 AM in the morning on weekends, meaning that it will simply shift traffic around those times. I think a lot of people would rather just wait and drive up at 10 AM rather than getting up early to take a bus.
bennwithtwonsJust curious, are Alta and snowbird your home resorts?
eheathI skied alta for 5 years when I lived in SLC, been in PC for 10 years now and I refuse to drive to the cottonwoods right now. It's way too much of a hassle, plus an extra 30mins and another canyon/pass, when I can take a 10 min bus to PC.
CoolChillGuy420It's not about the squirrels bro it's about maintaining the lifestyle that is LCC bro. You don't know if you haven't been bro.
bennwithtwonsOk right on. Skied pc/canyons for the first time a few years ago and it was so fun. It’s kind of like the northstar equivalent (bigger obviously) while Alta/snowbird have more of the alpine/squaw vibes
eheathThe skiing in the cottonwoods is far better than the PC area, but in my specific situation its not worth it, at least with how traffic is right now. If I lived in SLC i'd be going to Alta.
**This post was edited on Apr 18th 2023 at 12:17:59pm
bennwithtwonsdo you mean that you prefer the terrain or that the snow quality is better (maybe both)?
in order of preference, i like to ski pow, park, then groomers. I don't care much about dropping off of tall stuff and i hate smashing through chopped up 3-day old snow, although i'm not sure many people like that. i found the skiing at alta/snowbird to be more of that than anything else and it was just annoying getting rattled around. all that being said, the pow was sick while it lasted
bennwithtwonsdo you mean that you prefer the terrain or that the snow quality is better (maybe both)?
in order of preference, i like to ski pow, park, then groomers. I don't care much about dropping off of tall stuff and i hate smashing through chopped up 3-day old snow, although i'm not sure many people like that. i found the skiing at alta/snowbird to be more of that than anything else and it was just annoying getting rattled around. all that being said, the pow was sick while it lasted
SkrierAnother hot take: If you fiend for untracked, skiing resorts on a pow day this year was just not good in Utah. I skied 70+ days and had one or two storm days where I actually skied untracked snow. Rope drops on bluebird days are the way to score. Resort skiing is pretty played out in Utah right now. I was blown away skiing in Washington this year and skiing pow all day on a Friday
eheathPC area gets plenty of good snow, this year was bonkers, we got almost 700" on this side of the wasatch, which is massive, PC average is ~300.
The cottonwoods gets more snow, it stays better longer (later in the year is better too) but overall, the snow quality is comparable in both places. The terrain in the cottonwoods is better, but when a foot of snow falls all you need is a steepish pitch to have a good time, PC has plenty of that.
Either way, if you're in SLC you'll want to ski in the cottonwoods, its unmatched and it is comparable, if not better than jackson, tahoe, whistler, montana, etc.
I got plenty of untracked runs at PC this year, but its not like that was different 15 years ago. Storm skiing is one of my favorites, but a rope drop the next day is always fun. If you're getting bummed out by skiing powder in utah idk what to tell you, its definitely busier these days but you can't let other people ruin your ski day, thats on you my guy. I had more powder days this year than I had in the last two seasons combined, there was plenty of snow out there to be skied.
There is a reason less people are skiing powder in washington, it's not as good as utah. Utah has some of the best snow in the world, traffic in the cottonwoods has been a problem since I've lived here (2007) its just far more exacerbated because there are way more people trying to ski here than before.
I don't blame you for being turned off because of that, I bet a ton of people are feeling the same way you do, there is a tipping point where the product the resorts are offering will suffer because there are too many people skiing.
eheathPC area gets plenty of good snow, this year was bonkers, we got almost 700" on this side of the wasatch, which is massive, PC average is ~300.
The cottonwoods gets more snow, it stays better longer (later in the year is better too) but overall, the snow quality is comparable in both places. The terrain in the cottonwoods is better, but when a foot of snow falls all you need is a steepish pitch to have a good time, PC has plenty of that.
Either way, if you're in SLC you'll want to ski in the cottonwoods, its unmatched and it is comparable, if not better than jackson, tahoe, whistler, montana, etc.
I got plenty of untracked runs at PC this year, but its not like that was different 15 years ago. Storm skiing is one of my favorites, but a rope drop the next day is always fun. If you're getting bummed out by skiing powder in utah idk what to tell you, its definitely busier these days but you can't let other people ruin your ski day, thats on you my guy. I had more powder days this year than I had in the last two seasons combined, there was plenty of snow out there to be skied.
There is a reason less people are skiing powder in washington, it's not as good as utah. Utah has some of the best snow in the world, traffic in the cottonwoods has been a problem since I've lived here (2007) its just far more exacerbated because there are way more people trying to ski here than before.
I don't blame you for being turned off because of that, I bet a ton of people are feeling the same way you do, there is a tipping point where the product the resorts are offering will suffer because there are too many people skiing.
bennwithtwonsyeah i reckon for the right skier, there is no better place on earth than alta or snowbird. i've skied each a couple times and had fun but it wasn't really my jam. i don't ski big resorts on pow days cause i can get first chair at diamond peak with ease and shred with all my local homies. then park days at northstar and ripping groomer days with the lady at kirkwood keep my happy between storms.
BigPurpleSkiSuitEven if there's a time when I move away from Salt Lake CIty someday, Snowbird will always be my happiest place in the world.
TRVP_ANGELLLC Gondola: 350 million by 2027
An ICBM with a 300t nuclear payload at the center of SLC: 12 million by this summer.
There ARE alternatives
TRVP_ANGELLLC Gondola: 350 million by 2027
An ICBM with a 300t nuclear payload at the center of SLC: 12 million by this summer.
There ARE alternatives
skrtfestdid you go to altabird for spring break or move to slc in the last 2 years?
MastePoleWhackerHot take skiing chop is fun y’all just got weak legs. Like if it’s genuinely ruining your powder days you need to get in the gym.
MastePoleWhackerAlso yeah I completely avoided the canyons on weekend pow days so I could play hooky during the week instead
MastePoleWhackerHot take skiing chop is fun y’all just got weak legs. Like if it’s genuinely ruining your powder days you need to get in the gym.
skrtfestngl i am stoked to see how many beers i can put back during the 20 minute gondola ride and not stress about avy slides blocking the road for days at a time
CoolChillGuy420Nah bro I've been here since 2013 bro i've been skiing LCC most of my life bro since my parents brought me out-west on ski trips bro you haven't been here long enough bro so like step-off bro
SkrierDon't get me wrong, I had an insane amount of fun this year. Even the bad days were epic. I just chose hiking for turns much more often than dealing with the powder panic at the resorts. It just wasn't worth it to me for 1-3 very good runs and then skiing chop
MastePoleWhackerHot take skiing chop is fun y’all just got weak legs. Like if it’s genuinely ruining your powder days you need to get in the gym.
muffMan.Fr chop is so fun to blast through, people got the wrong skis most likely
C.R.E.A.MWhat ski are you guys doing this on. I have the Reckoner 112s and I am finding that they are a little soft for resort pow days.
eheathARV 106s have been my main ski this year, great for 6-12" of new snow and after its gets skied they just crush through the crud and shit, I love 'em.
C.R.E.A.MVery interesting, I always pegged Armadas as softer skis. Haven't ridden 'em since I had the Alpha II's. I see Evo rates their flex as pretty damn stiff. How about on less fresh snow, skiing mostly Mammoth ATM. I have the Mirus Cor for groomer days but they handle shit on the ice and are a little narrow for when it gets super melty or when there is any wind reset snow. I'm 6' 210 and think the 188 may be the move.
