God, they even have a long challenge rail over a pond skim. so dope
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33luke33was this recently?
skierman_jackAnyone reckon they will have a decent park this summer?
skierman_jackAnyone reckon they will have a decent park this summer?
switchlip2I wanna go so bad
Monsieur_PatateMammoth is pretty core for remaining open for as long as they can.
Utah resorts are lame af, despite the insane snow they're all closing pretty much same time as last year when the snowpack was a third of what it is this year. (except for the bird, props to them, we'll see how long they stay open)
joogDon't they lease the land or something so they like actually can't open after a certain date? They also start losing money the later they're open, but I agree its a little lame summer skiing goes hard
Monsieur_PatateMammoth is pretty core for remaining open for as long as they can.
Utah resorts are lame af, despite the insane snow they're all closing pretty much same time as last year when the snowpack was a third of what it is this year. (except for the bird, props to them, we'll see how long they stay open)
IanAvery-Leaf?????
- PC is open until May 1st (usually close first weekend of April, sometimes 2nd)
- Brighton is open until April 30th, then reopening May 5 - Memorial Day with top-to-bottom Milly park, which is unprecedented... (usually close 3rd week of April)
- Woodward PC extended their hot laps lift closing at least a week beyond normal, but if I remember right its 2+ weeks beyond normal, then they'll run the magic carpet until the snow melts/is too slow
- Snowbird has a new mineral basin park until Memorial Day, and will be open at least July 4th but I'd bet into August. The difference is they're entirely on private land so they can make those decisions independent of the forest service, where resorts like Brighton/PC/etc have to operate based on their lease agreement to operate on land that isn't theirs
Utah is anything but lame this year. Normally everyone soon migrates to Timberline for May but basically nobody I've talked w/ is making the trek out there since Utah is crushing so hard
IanAvery-Leaf?????
- PC is open until May 1st (usually close first weekend of April, sometimes 2nd)
- Brighton is open until April 30th, then reopening May 5 - Memorial Day with top-to-bottom Milly park, which is unprecedented... (usually close 3rd week of April)
- Woodward PC extended their hot laps lift closing at least a week beyond normal, but if I remember right its 2+ weeks beyond normal, then they'll run the magic carpet until the snow melts/is too slow
- Snowbird has a new mineral basin park until Memorial Day, and will be open at least July 4th but I'd bet into August. The difference is they're entirely on private land so they can make those decisions independent of the forest service, where resorts like Brighton/PC/etc have to operate based on their lease agreement to operate on land that isn't theirs
Utah is anything but lame this year. Normally everyone soon migrates to Timberline for May but basically nobody I've talked w/ is making the trek out there since Utah is crushing so hard
Monsieur_PatateIdk man, most Utah resorts have extended their season by a week or two when they could realistically stay open for much longer than that, that's my point, Mammoth is saying they'll stay open as long as there's snow on the ground (which they expect to be until August), hence why I'm saying they're being core, and I just wish more UT resorts would do the same thing, because there should be enough snow to ski until at least July here, which is super rare, we're having the best season in history and all we're getting is an extra week? I'm just a bit disappointed.
I'm sure the business/$$$ argument applies to mammoth just as much as it does to UT resorts, yet they're still staying open, so they deserve props for that.
I also already did give the bird a shout out as the only UT resorts with the same "we'll stay open as long as conditions allow it" policy, props to them (and props to Woodward for doing the same thing, I didn't know). Other UT resorts could do the same, but they decide not to for $$$ reasons, which is their prerogative, it's just not very core of them given our historic season, that's all.
Monsieur_PatateIdk man, most Utah resorts have extended their season by a week or two when they could realistically stay open for much longer than that, that's my point, Mammoth is saying they'll stay open as long as there's snow on the ground (which they expect to be until August), hence why I'm saying they're being core, and I just wish more UT resorts would do the same thing, because there should be enough snow to ski until at least July here, which is super rare, we're having the best season in history and all we're getting is an extra week? I'm just a bit disappointed.
I'm sure the business/$$$ argument applies to mammoth just as much as it does to UT resorts, yet they're still staying open, so they deserve props for that.
I also already did give the bird a shout out as the only UT resorts with the same "we'll stay open as long as conditions allow it" policy, props to them (and props to Woodward for doing the same thing, I didn't know). Other UT resorts could do the same, but they decide not to for $$$ reasons, which is their prerogative, it's just not very core of them given our historic season, that's all.
eheath
IanAvery-Leaf
Monsieur_PatateFair enough, just explaining my perspective, not trying to be defensive at all.
I basically just gave props to mammoth/snowbird for staying open as long as they can, it's a great policy, and I wish more UT resorts had it, we're having the best season in recorded history, it's a shame we won't enjoy summer skiing at more resorts, we can all agree on that.
I am not familiar with every resort's specific lease terms and what imposed closing date the forest service may or may not impose on them, that's a valid point tho, so I'm happy to give those resorts the benefit of the doubt that this might be out of their hands and they couldn't remain open any longer even if they wanted to.
As for operational challenges, sure there are challenges, challenges plenty of resorts have figured out (mammoth, squaw, the bird, and I'm sure plenty of others), no one gets a memo, but some resorts are able to adjust depending on conditions, squaw closed on Memorial day for the past 3 seasons, and this year they'll run until at least July, they just monitor conditions and adjust accordingly to better serve their customers; again props to them, that means they can deliver a better experience than the resorts not willing to incorporate that flexibility in their operational planning. And as a paying customer I'm certainly not going to 'excuse' the resorts not willing to be as flexible, it's on them.
But yeah, I'll admit my knee jerk reaction as a skier is disappointment that a season where it snowed more than the past 3 seasons combined would only give us an extra week of skiing, bummer.
If you want to take PC's example, the base is 90" today, 133" at the top, similar numbers at DV. They both closed April 17 last year, April 23 this year. Snowbasin closing on April 23 too while claiming 196" at the top. Maybe you're right and it will all have melted by May 1st, I doubt it but let's see what's left in 10 days, happy to be wrong.
Again, just wanted to give props to Mammoth and other resorts with an 'open as long as conditions allow' policy, that's the best for us skier, we should all hope more resorts adopt that in the future, that's all.
eheathThis wall of text is the definition of defensive btw, you could just admit you were wrong and move on haha.
The only resort in utah that has stayed open past April is snowbird, its always been like that, you're attitude screams entitled out of state transplant that is completely naive to how resorts operate. Are you that ignorant? maybe not, but your posts don't really come off as understanding or knowledgable, you're just complaining. Do you even understand how hard it is to operate a resort in april, let alone may? june? Have you ever worked at a ski resort?
I live in PC, the base area is deteriorating fast, the "base" measurement is not the amount of the snow at the base of the mountain, you definitely know this and you're choosing to ignore it to try and argue your point. C'mon.
I don't really care who you give "props" to or not, its extremely normal for ski resorts to close with enough snow to operate, it happens every year in utah. This happens because of one of two things: the resort is leasing their land and can not operate after that lease expires (i.e. alta, brighton, solitude, to name a few) or they own their land but because its not profitable to operate/summer operations are significant (i.e. park city, deer valley). This isn't just a Utah thing either, using Mammoth as a comparison is apples to oranges.
How can you possibly complain after the season we just had? Jesus christ, get a summer hobby and pray we get half of this snowfall next year. And if you wanna ski still, you can go to snowbird...
Monsieur_PatateDude you're the one being defensive, you're so triggered for what lmao.
Yes, as a skier I like resorts that stay open as long as possible. Some resorts have an 'open as long as conditions allow' policy, I like that, I wish more resorts did that, sorry it's making you so mad.
Btw where I grew up the base is always grass at the end of the season, you just take a lift up (and down) to where there's snow left, and you also ski patches of grass, that's part of the fun. Vertical is so limited in the US that it probably wouldn't work in most places though, you need at least 2 lifts taking you to the top so you can take a lift down too, not that common here given the smaller size of resorts.
I'm just an entitled transplant though, so not sure I have a right to an opinion apparently.
eheathAgain, you could just say "oh whoops sorry i was wrong, I don't know how ski resorts operate in a place I just moved to" but you keep hitting us with walls of text, whatever dude.
I'm only triggered because you're complaining and it comes off as entitled and navie, be fucking grateful for the season we just had ffs.✌️
Monsieur_PatateHow was I wrong? I still stand by my original statement: more Utah resorts could stay open like Snowbird if they wanted to, they likely just choose not to for financial reasons. You even yourself said the exact same thing in your previous post, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.
I also admitted like 3 posts ago that I had not considered the limitations cottonwood canyon resorts operating under a special use permit might have, but that's the only valid argument you made and I was even pretty being generous in conceding that: Alta is closing on April 23rd (and they have closed in May in the past, like in 2011), Brighton on April 30th with some weekend opening on Milly later, and Solitude on May 21st. Is Alta really forced to close on April 23rd or are they just choosing to? The reality is that you have no clue what the actual terms of their permits are and whether or not those closing dates could be pushed or not, so stop pretending you know all the details of the operating constraints of those resorts, you don't.
And btw Soli only leases 35% of their terrain, the rest is privately owned, so they could probably even keep a couple of lifts spinning on that 65% of the land they own if they really wanted to, they just don't.
Your other arguments are straight up bs:
- "they can't stay open because it's always been like that" how tf does that even make sense, they can change operating policies if they want to (see: parking)
- "it's too hard for them to plan to stay open" another wtf argument here, it's just a matter of business priorities, they absolutely could manage to stay open if they wanted to, it's just not their priority.
- "there won't be enough snow left beyond next weekend at PC/DV". No crystal ball, but I was at DV yesterday, still full coverage and temps not forecasted to go above 50 in the next 10 days, with constant freeze overnight. I'm pretty sure coverage would still be sufficient to operate beyond this weekend. Plus DV has a setup that would even allow them to only keep the top above silver lake open if really the base coverage was that bad (but it's not). So again, they probably could stay open beyond this weekend, but it's simply not their priority, not sure why it's so hard for you to comprehend.
So yeah, another wall of text for you, but I said what I said, it's just a business decision those resorts make, props to the bird for having a cool policy, it'd be nice if others would do the same, feel free to disagree tho, all good. ✌️
eheathim starting to understand why your political conversations go so array, you're better at trolling than the trolls themselves, the amount of text you are able to produce from one stupid ass complaint is insane.
Monsieur_PatateOn top of being an entitled transplant, I'm now a troll. Tough to argue with that level of rhetoric, you're a real modern day Cicero.
Btw I missed it but Soli announced this week they were extending their season again, you love to see it. (well, not you apparently, but other skiers do) Who knew resorts could extend operations when they want to, huh? (Not you either, apparently)
eheathi mean you're trolling because you're ignoring other people's statement and slamming your head against a wall trying to prove??? writing out walls of text that nobody is reading, purposefully doing so to try and trigger me and other people. Thats being a troll, not a "level of rhetoric" this isnt a fucking political discussion dude.
you're trying to push your opinion like everyone should listen to you and you're smarter than the people that run the resorts, multiple people have given you information to why the resorts dont stay open til july, you even did your own research, yet you're still sticking with you original argument that is so fucking pointless in the first place, you sound like a child "WHY WONT THEY STAY OPEN LONGER MOM?" use your brain, it clearly exists, but I think you're just trying to fuck with people at this point.
thats great solitude extended, as a resort owned by Deer Valley, you wouldn't expect that. i guess utah is more core than you thought, bro.
I just dunno why you're so upset when, like Ian said, every resort in utah has pushed back their closing day by weeks. This has maybe been one of the dumbest debates I've ever been in on this website.
**This post was edited on Apr 19th 2023 at 1:09:46pm
Monsieur_PatateSolitude is no longer owned by Deer Valley, it's owned by Alterra, which also now owns Deer Valley, among a bunch of other resorts. You being so familiar with the inner operational details of every resort in Utah I thought you'd know that.
Pretty ironic of you to say I'm ignoring your statements when I've actually addressed every single one of your 'arguments' in my posts, but again you admitted not even reading my 'walls of text', so I guess you wouldn't know that. Sorry for using sentences that are too long for you, I'll make sure to stick to 5 word posts max when conversing with you in the future as to not trigger you.
Monsieur_PatateSolitude is no longer owned by Deer Valley, it's owned by Alterra, which also now owns Deer Valley, among a bunch of other resorts. You being so familiar with the inner operational details of every resort in Utah I thought you'd know that.
Pretty ironic of you to say I'm ignoring your statements when I've actually addressed every single one of your 'arguments' in my posts, but again you admitted not even reading my 'walls of text', so I guess you wouldn't know that. Sorry for using sentences that are too long for you, I'll make sure to stick to 5 word posts max when conversing with you in the future as to not trigger you.
mikemYou should go get some leased land in the cottonwoods, open a ski resort, then never close for summer. tell me how it goes.
Would love to see all the money you lose in July.
Monsieur_PatateI mean, I would still have to close when there's no more snow, you silly goose.
What I could do tho is just stay open "as long as conditions permit", might be only until May on shitty snow years, might be until July on years like this one. You know what else I might do? Run limited operations to mitigate the drop in visitors late in the season.
But wait, that's pretty much exactly what Snowbird already does! And out of the goodness of their heart apparently is what you're saying, I'm so glad to hear how generous POWDR corp. is, who knew!
mikemDo it pussy. Trust me dude powdr corp is core. No staffing issues at Woodward pc this year or last or the year before powdr fucks dude.
now I wrote 3 sentences, 4 with this, please respond in a min 12 sentences, remember you can sell your California house and move to Utah and with all that equity you can pay for a year long snowbird parking pass!