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Tf do people want in a swallow tail ski

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nOtyRmOm
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So with the swallow skis I’ve been designing for about a year now, I’m finally going all in on a press which means this summer I want to do a small production run? What are peoples thoughts on a softer flex vs a stiffer flex, for a surfy vs chargy feel? Damper or more pop? Obviously the market has over saturation so I’m trying to get as many ideas as possible before I dump all my time into this and my grades drastically suffer. Shape is 150-114-140
(bases give best idea of shape from photos I have.)


Jan 12 2023 1:18AM
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macfive
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Curious what the reason for a swallow tail is?
Jan 12 2023 9:28AM
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coloradoBruh
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I’d kill for a swallow tail with metal all across. I love my Pescado and how it surfs but as soon as it sees a bump, that 150 wide tip flexes too hard.
Jan 12 2023 10:02AM
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nOtyRmOm
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macfiveCurious what the reason for a swallow tail is?


Gives ability to have longer affective edge because it can continue to end of the ski but the cutout allows for torsionall flex so edge can break free and smear easily while also allowing for reduced surface area so it floats better. Also looks dope
Jan 12 2023 10:03AM
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nOtyRmOm
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coloradoBruhI’d kill for a swallow tail with metal all across. I love my Pescado and how it surfs but as soon as it sees a bump, that 150 wide tip flexes too hard.


I’ve been thinking about experimenting with titanal, but right now it’s just carbon. I’ll yk if I go with metal at some point though
Jan 12 2023 10:03AM
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Koshermilk
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For swallow tails doesn’t really make sense to make a soft ski, I’d do a hard charging stiff ski that can get through anything
Jan 12 2023 2:20PM
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PsychicMigration
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Those things are meant to be surfed definitely go soft. Softer the better.
Jan 12 2023 3:03PM
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dognutz
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i think swallowtails with enough rise you can ski em switch are fricken sick
Jan 12 2023 3:54PM
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nOtyRmOm
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dognutsi think swallowtails with enough rise you can ski em switch are fricken sick


Ones I’m building have 4 cm rise over 30 cm-so switch is easy🫡🫡
Jan 12 2023 3:54PM
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dognutz
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nOtyRmOm123Ones I’m building have 4 cm rise over 30 cm-so switch is easy🫡🫡

very nice
Jan 12 2023 4:38PM
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iced
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i want swallows on the graphics
Jan 12 2023 11:56PM
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freestyler540
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icedi want swallows on the graphics


Oh and a sperm whale
Jan 13 2023 12:56AM
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BigmoneyMatt
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Keep on the playful side but don't overkill on soft imo

I could do some graphics for you in exchange for 75% off a pair, if you get to the point where you can do like a soft drop.

**This post was edited on Jan 13th 2023 at 1:18:43am
Jan 13 2023 1:17AM
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SlitherySnake
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BrotherBKeep on the playful side but don't overkill on soft imo

I could do some graphics for you in exchange for 75% off a pair, if you get to the point where you can do like a soft drop.

**This post was edited on Jan 13th 2023 at 1:18:43am


i’ll do the same thing except instead i’ll just ride a couple pairs that you give to me for free and in exchange i don’t put a pressure cooker bomb in your car
Jan 13 2023 2:36AM
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brownetown
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I would buy a pair if they’re soft and rideable switch for sure. Love the shape
Jan 13 2023 3:35AM
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bigwhite.steeze
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i guess you really just have to consider what you want the ski to do. I've had a pair of pescados for 4 years and they are a perfectly soft pow slashing machine. they are alot of work on the legs in crud, but the tradeoff is they are a dream in fresh pow and can articulate/surface/slash so easily because of the tail cut out and the softness allowing the tail to sink and the ski to flex pushing the nose in the air. the things breach pow like an orca if you give a little ollie, its amazing.

make em stiff, they will charge harder in crud (with a longer sidecut) but will sacrifice some surfiness in the soft stuff, and in my mind lose some of the playfullness that really makes that swallow tail design unique.
Jan 13 2023 3:39PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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If you’re banging these out and they’re not stupid expensive - I’d for sure cop a pair.

But I’d say surfy shape and feel with floppy tips and stable/stiffer underfoot to tail
Jan 13 2023 4:37PM
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mattytru
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use the y-beam titanal shape from current mindbenders



the 'bottom' of the y-shaped sheet of titanal should approach the dip of the swallowtail, while the outer edges of the swallowtail should remain all wood. then the edges of the swallow can still activate but the ski will have much more body
Jan 14 2023 1:04AM
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Denseclouds
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mattytruuse the y-beam titanal shape from current mindbenders



the 'bottom' of the y-shaped sheet of titanal should approach the dip of the swallowtail, while the outer edges of the swallowtail should remain all wood. then the edges of the swallow can still activate but the ski will have much more body


Whu do I feel like I just read something really amazing?
Jan 17 2023 12:31AM
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ASSholebomber22
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I agree that I would like a stiffer tail. I've never skied a swallow tail ski so it's kinda hard to imagine, but I would think something soft would just allow the tails to wash out way easy, unless the mount point was close to center or something
Jan 17 2023 1:13AM
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maaattt
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Op you should make a ski that you want to ride, make that good and then branch out
Jan 17 2023 3:15AM
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