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ON3P Jeffrey 102 won’t hold an edge

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yzzid
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I just got a pair of ON3P Jeffrey 102s mounted -2 from center. My last pair was a pair of Kartel 108s from 2016 mounted recommended at -4.5 from center.


I skied one day on the 102s and they were a blast in the small pow patches and off piste and anywhere that wasn’t groomed. Very sturdy and poppy and playful at the same time. Butters are super fun and they’re great on rails. On cat tracks and hard pack/more groomed snow I found that my ski was getting away from me. I feel like I was fighting to hold an edge, or that my ski kept catching edges. Like it was sliding away from me while trying to carve or turn. With my old skis I felt like I had full control over my ski and could turn very easily and keep my skis parallel at all times in any conditions just by shifting my weight.

Is this a matter if me being used to my old skies (the only ski I have skied on for 7 years) or did I mount them too close to center? It is it my skiing ability? Or do I just need to get more days on this new ski to get the hang of it? I am an advanced skier and have been hitting the slopes for 20 years. I loved the Jeffreys everywhere, just not on snow where I needed to hold an edge. It was quite frustrating. Can anyone shed some light as to how i can get over some of this buyer’s remorse I am feeling?
Dec 17 2022 4:10PM
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evaroni
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Get full tilts?
Dec 17 2022 4:27PM
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sambuswell
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I've read on other forums that recent ON3Ps have been shipped out with wonky tunes. It could be worth checking to see if the bases are flat
Dec 17 2022 4:33PM
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yzzid
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I know nothing about tech. What can I do to check this? Should I go to my shop? Should I contact ON3P? Any chance you could share one of those threads with me? Thanks!
sambuswellI've read on other forums that recent ON3Ps have been shipped out with wonky tunes. It could be worth checking to see if the bases are flat
Dec 17 2022 4:51PM
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Christian_Bale
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Honestly I don't have a good answer to your questions, but you've only had one day on them so far. I think after some more time on them you'll either figure out if it's something to do with you or if the skis aren't right for you. I guess worst case scenario you could sell them if they don't work out. Not ideal but I imagine you'll be able to get a decent price for them cuz they'll be in good condition. Hopefully they work out though
Dec 17 2022 6:45PM
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sambuswell
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yzzidI know nothing about tech. What can I do to check this? Should I go to my shop? Should I contact ON3P? Any chance you could share one of those threads with me? Thanks!


I am no tech, so my tune understanding is pretty elementary. It could be worth either bringing them to a shop and asking them to check the flatness of the base, or emailing ON3P and describing what you're feeling. Its also possible you need to get used to them too.

Here is the ON3P thread I saw tune issues in:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300074
Dec 17 2022 7:08PM
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bustedpivot
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yzzidI just got a pair of ON3P Jeffrey 102s mounted -2 from center. My last pair was a pair of Kartel 108s from 2016 mounted recommended at -4.5 from center.


I skied one day on the 102s and they were a blast in the small pow patches and off piste and anywhere that wasn’t groomed. Very sturdy and poppy and playful at the same time. Butters are super fun and they’re great on rails. On cat tracks and hard pack/more groomed snow I found that my ski was getting away from me. I feel like I was fighting to hold an edge, or that my ski kept catching edges. Like it was sliding away from me while trying to carve or turn. With my old skis I felt like I had full control over my ski and could turn very easily and keep my skis parallel at all times in any conditions just by shifting my weight.

Is this a matter if me being used to my old skies (the only ski I have skied on for 7 years) or did I mount them too close to center? It is it my skiing ability? Or do I just need to get more days on this new ski to get the hang of it? I am an advanced skier and have been hitting the slopes for 20 years. I loved the Jeffreys everywhere, just not on snow where I needed to hold an edge. It was quite frustrating. Can anyone shed some light as to how i can get over some of this buyer’s remorse I am feeling?

This is a tune issue. I had the same issues with new Jeff 102's. You need to take them to a shop and get the edges set to 1/1. Then detune the tips and tails. This is what I did and it fixed the hookiness and they smoothed out to normal. I don't know why ON3P is shipping skis this way, but its a known issue if you look around.

Even once you get the tune issue fixed, Jeff's are not carvers so you'll never be ripping firm on them.
Dec 17 2022 10:35PM
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muffMan.
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Same length? And idk ski then more, usually my shop will look at an edge and tell if it’s wonky.

I’ve heard of changing the edge a degree or so might help, but the mount point could be throwing you off a bit if you were used to the kartels
Dec 17 2022 11:20PM
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BLandz
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My Jeffs are mounted same spot as u and they fucking rip. If yours don't work out i’ll buy them for a discounted price of course
Dec 18 2022 9:02AM
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yzzid
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I skied 3 more days on them and I’m not having any issues. Not sure what was going on the first day. They’re shredding everything.
BLandzMy Jeffs are mounted same spot as u and they fucking rip. If yours don't work out i’ll buy them for a discounted price of course
Dec 18 2022 10:47PM
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Pakanaka
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not sure what all that's about op my jeffery's are the best skis I've ever used edge hold and everything.
Dec 19 2022 1:14AM
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PsychicMigration
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Always thought of them as a good chop post powder ski once it’s tracked out. I had Kartels for 5 seasons and they definitely aren’t carving skis. I was looking at getting the Jeffery 102s or going with something I can lay a carve down on firm hardpack.
Dec 19 2022 6:51AM
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caveman31
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User error
Dec 19 2022 1:14PM
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TreyMiddleton
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Same thing happened when I got my Jeffrey 108s a few years ago. Found that the edge bevels were not what they were supposed to be. Once you reset the edge angle it should help a lot.
Jan 3 2023 6:31PM
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simontheskiboi
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I just came off Prod 1.0s to J102s and I kinda felt this, but I think its because of the long turn radius. makes carves wide and fast, but if ur used to a tight carvy ski, this transition is gonna be a weird one.
Jan 3 2023 9:45PM
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