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Skis don’t matter

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Vish-shoe
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Here’s another stupid thread for ya

THE SKI YOURE ON DOESNT FUCKING MATTER

80% of skiing is ability, 19% is the type of ski you’re riding, and 1% is the ski’s design
Do you all really think Harlaut wouldn’t be good on Salomons, or volkls?
Everything you think about a ski is just based on marketing and you sheep can’t figure it out.
The only attributes of a ski that matter are underfoot, turn radius, and flexibility. Everything else is just bullshit.
Dec 7 2022 10:59AM
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butterflywatcher
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JITYHere’s another stupid thread for ya

THE SKI YOURE ON DOESNT FUCKING MATTER

80% of skiing is ability, 19% is the type of ski you’re riding, and 1% is the ski’s design
Do you all really think Harlaut wouldn’t be good on Salomons, or volkls?
Everything you think about a ski is just based on marketing and you sheep can’t figure it out.
The only attributes of a ski that matter are underfoot, turn radius, and flexibility. Everything else is just bullshit.


what about your boots
Dec 7 2022 11:04AM
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Vish-shoe
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beck_shredzwhat about your boots


Yes that matters
but this thread isn’t about that
Dec 7 2022 11:05AM
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IsaacNW82
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I disagree, a ski will never make you more skilled but it can really seriously hold you back.

I do generally agree that most ski marketing is BS and skill > equipment generally, but your skis definitely still matter.

To take your example, yeah Henrik would still kill on any decent park ski, but I do think his pro model really does help him perform at 100% by catering to his style.

Underfoot width, turn radius and flexibility are some key parameters but so are length, flex profile, weight, swing weight, effective edge length, dampness/pop, and rocker profile/tip splay.
Dec 7 2022 11:22AM
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Kyguyy
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Try to butter a ski with zero rocker, and I mean on the noses, not a surface “butter”
Dec 7 2022 11:31AM
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X_MEMESWERVE_XX
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Get vishnus
Dec 7 2022 11:38AM
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Vish-shoe
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CowboySkibopGet vishnus


It’s what I’m FUCKING SAYING
skis don’t matter, so get skis that are cool
yes, it’s all marketing but who gives a fuck
Dec 7 2022 11:43AM
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BearsOnKetamine
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JITYIt’s what I’m FUCKING SAYING
skis don’t matter, so get skis that are cool
yes, it’s all marketing but who gives a fuck


bros tweakin
Dec 7 2022 11:48AM
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X_MEMESWERVE_XX
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JITYIt’s what I’m FUCKING SAYING
skis don’t matter, so get skis that are cool
yes, it’s all marketing but who gives a fuck


wordd, ultimately is the dedication of the skier that makes a good skier.

u right too, put any super pro on a shitty beat ass pair of skis and I guarantee they will still throw down

also like for the pros like 80% of their training is in the gym so take that as you will
Dec 7 2022 11:51AM
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muffMan.
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You’re right about ability being most of it, but it all comes down to a preference.

They wouldn’t be making purposely bad skis, people buy them and use them, but some people don’t because of how they feel.

like I almost bought arvs, demoed them and hated them. Bought Jeff’s instead. Even though they had similar underfoot, they are a very different ski.

when you get into pure park skis that pros are using, there’s not much variety because they all need to be stiff, plain skis as that is a huge event and most don’t want something soft or crazy poppy to use.

I am sure you could pass any park ski to pros and they would throw down, but say Alex Hall might just like something a bit different you feel.

But put me on a pair of all mountain Salomon QSTs instead of jeffereys and I can bet you I won’t have as much fun as I would with jeffereys.
Dec 7 2022 12:07PM
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Vish-shoe
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muffMan.You’re right about ability being most of it, but it all comes down to a preference.

They wouldn’t be making purposely bad skis, people buy them and use them, but some people don’t because of how they feel.

like I almost bought arvs, demoed them and hated them. Bought Jeff’s instead. Even though they had similar underfoot, they are a very different ski.

when you get into pure park skis that pros are using, there’s not much variety because they all need to be stiff, plain skis as that is a huge event and most don’t want something soft or crazy poppy to use.

I am sure you could pass any park ski to pros and they would throw down, but say Alex Hall might just like something a bit different you feel.

But put me on a pair of all mountain Salomon QSTs instead of jeffereys and I can bet you I won’t have as much fun as I would with jeffereys.


Ok these comments have caused me to rethink my opinion
But the amount of obsession over gear that some people on here have is just fucking irrational
Dec 7 2022 12:10PM
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dwt802
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JITYOk these comments have caused me to rethink my opinion
But the amount of obsession over gear that some people on here have is just fucking irrational


Why not get excited about getting gear that is going to support your skiing and supporting companies that support our sport?
Dec 7 2022 12:27PM
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Vish-shoe
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dwt802Why not get excited about getting gear that is going to support your skiing and supporting companies that support our sport?


Because it won’t change that you suck ass at skiing
Dec 7 2022 12:38PM
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dwt802
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JITYBecause it won’t change that you suck ass at skiing


Okay sure but it makes skiing wayyy more fun being on a shape and flex you like than a shitty stiff short rental ski…
Dec 7 2022 12:40PM
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hot.pocket
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JITY1% is the ski’s design
Dec 7 2022 12:43PM
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Farmville420
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100% of someone’s skill comes from their ability and I would also argue that skis don’t actually play any role in someone’s ability to do any tricks.

But some skis are still definitely better than others and make it easier. Specially for rails and butters, but again if you’re good at those things you should be able to do them on any skis.
Dec 7 2022 1:22PM
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Icant_kfed
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Your right, but also pretty wrong. Within categories of skis, different structures and construction will make them better at specific things. Of course a pro skier could hop on almost any pair of skis and throw down, but a pair of wets is not going to be optimal for big air, similarly as something like a poacher will take a lot more effort to do vishnu and 1000 stuff
Dec 7 2022 2:10PM
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Farmville420
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Icant_kfedYour right, but also pretty wrong. Within categories of skis, different structures and construction will make them better at specific things. Of course a pro skier could hop on almost any pair of skis and throw down, but a pair of wets is not going to be optimal for big air, similarly as something like a poacher will take a lot more effort to do vishnu and 1000 stuff

For real.

I say this all the time but if you can’t butter poachers you can’t butter period lol
Dec 7 2022 2:13PM
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STEEZUS_CHRI5T
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they matter when your ski delaminates, snaps, binding screws strip, or your edges blow out. Higher quality = less problems.
Dec 7 2022 2:45PM
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Biffbarf
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Don't you have to be 13 to use NS
Dec 7 2022 2:51PM
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HypeBeast
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Op just mad he can only afford line
Dec 7 2022 3:46PM
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Raf.Diaz.
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Yeah nah I skied my friend Salomon nfx and my wets (similar length and width totally different shape)the same day skis affect a lot if your bag of tricks is we’ll spread
Dec 7 2022 4:10PM
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Timby
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try skiing park without twin tips.
Dec 7 2022 4:27PM
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b_in_subtle
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I think the brand marketing actually agrees with you given every brand has “freestyle inspired all mountain ski that helps turn the whole mountain into your playground and boost every side hit”

but yeah the subtle differences helps account for different styles and preferences, yeah most people aren’t good enough for it to matter but who cares let people have their individuality dude.
Dec 7 2022 4:56PM
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nelsenderson
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OP just jealous he doesn't own a pair of Soul7's.

SRSLY get some sick Rossi's, mount them backwards at true center +2, and start churning butter.
Dec 7 2022 5:05PM
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hi_vis360
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I want to see you k fed on 200cm straight skis
Dec 7 2022 5:07PM
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b_in_subtle
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nelsendersonOP just jealous he doesn't own a pair of Soul7's.

SRSLY get some sick Rossi's, mount them backwards at true center +2, and start churning butter.


You joke but I will actually mount some symmetrical skis backwards as soon as I get some.
Dec 7 2022 5:10PM
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Zurg
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CowboySkibopu right too, put any super pro on a shitty beat ass pair of skis and I guarantee they will still throw down


True that dude. Look at the entire Line team!
Dec 7 2022 5:57PM
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Quaggy
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I've been skiing for 15+ years and I still have no idea wtf a "turn radius" is when talking about ski attributes
Dec 7 2022 6:12PM
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jompcock
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I've tried new skis and had revelations that they made some action easier whether it be skiing switch without catching an edge, maneuvering in powder or getting swaps around. There are other things that matter more but to say they don't matter seems absurd.
Dec 7 2022 6:17PM
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_brrett
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I can 5 on flat with snowblades, L post
Dec 7 2022 6:34PM
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IsaacNW82
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QuaggyI've been skiing for 15+ years and I still have no idea wtf a "turn radius" is when talking about ski attributes


Basically it is the most important factor in how tight of a turn a ski naturally carves.

Dec 7 2022 6:39PM
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STEEZUS_CHRI5T
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IsaacNW82Basically it is the most important factor in how tight of a turn a ski naturally carves.



I thought we were talking about park skis. What is that grandpa groomer ski. Look how far back the bindings are mounted lol
Dec 7 2022 6:44PM
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Biffbarf
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STEEZUS_CHRI5TI thought we were talking about park skis. What is that grandpa groomer ski. Look how far back the bindings are mounted lol


Idk how to break this to you, but park skis have radius too
Dec 7 2022 7:00PM
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STEEZUS_CHRI5T
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ASSholebomber22Idk how to break this to you, but park skis have radius too


is this about what i said to you in the other thread? ;)
Dec 7 2022 7:03PM
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Biffbarf
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STEEZUS_CHRI5Tis this about what i said to you in the other thread? ;)

Yeah, I'm super mad about it too
Dec 7 2022 7:17PM
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STEEZUS_CHRI5T
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ASSholebomber22Yeah, I'm super mad about it too


i know, you posted like 30 times in 10 minutes
Dec 7 2022 7:24PM
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Biffbarf
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STEEZUS_CHRI5Ti know, you posted like 30 times in 10 minutes


I have a cold and should be playing hockey rn so it's all gotta come out on ns. Hate train ain't stoppin for nobody
Dec 7 2022 7:30PM
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X_MEMESWERVE_XX
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ZurgTrue that dude. Look at the entire Line team!


OOOOOOOOOOOO

goddamn right
Dec 7 2022 7:47PM
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dmcdmc
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Within reason. you wont be able to ride park on a pair of 116 wide sticks like you can on some 86 wide ones.

It's the same with any sport/hobby. Lance Armstrong could beat 99% of people with a walmart bicycle. EVH could outshred 99% of people with a cheapo guitar. But it's what the user perceives to be different that matters. Could they? Yes. Would they want to? Not really. It's all preference.
Dec 7 2022 7:55PM
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PsychicMigration
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This is true to an extent. I did my first 5 on carving skis hit up flat down rails, kinks, slippery tubes all on race skis. I think what your trying to say is the people that non stop complain and constantly make excuses are pathetic. You know the ones that say ughhh would have been way better if I have my DPS's instead of Black crows for the extra 2 underfoot. There's a lot to be said for getting good with what you got and at some point its time to upgrade though. Give Henrik some races skis and he'd trivia crack all of us in a SLVSH game still.
Dec 7 2022 8:11PM
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Schoess
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Lmfao dog I was geekin when I read this
ASSholebomber22Don't you have to be 13 to use NS
Dec 7 2022 9:54PM
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Schoess
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Skis matter like tools matter because that's all they are. You can turn any bolt with an adjustable wrench, but that's far from the best way and there are obvious downsides.

Also yes, some people who aren't very good at skiing are obsessive about gear, but that's in every activity. If they can afford to be that way, let them enjoy their thing. I consider myself a confident skier, far from the best but far from the worst and with a lot of experience. That being said, I really love gear/tuning/waxing/ski technology/etc. It's just another aspect to love about skiing for me.

Lastly I would encourage you to go try and rip some pow on true center, full camber pipe skis. In extreme examples, skis can actually prevent you from doing what you want. Most of the time though, it's splitting hairs. 181 vs 186, 100 underfoot vs 95, etc
Dec 7 2022 9:58PM
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_brrett
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SchoessSkis matter like tools matter because that's all they are. You can turn any bolt with an adjustable wrench, but that's far from the best way and there are obvious downsides.

/thread

Very well said
Dec 7 2022 10:03PM
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_brrett
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BLandz/thread

Very well said


Bars
Dec 7 2022 10:03PM
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Skier_75
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OP skis Line honey badgers
Dec 7 2022 11:54PM
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FaunaSkis
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If you have a local demo day, i'd definitely recommend trying a bunch of skis, especially ones which are similar on the face of it, on the same runs. I think you would be surprised at the differences.

As for pro skiers, sure they could likely throw the same tricks, ski the same lines etc on different skis but having a ski that works well for them gives them the confidence to push the sport and when the margins are fine on the trick/line working out, even if the ski design is only a 1% difference for them(i disagree that it is) then that can be the difference between pulling it off or not.

Do some people overly obsess over gear choices and the differences that could make on their skiing, sure. That comes down to confidence again though, that their gear choice has given them the best chance at skiing the best they can. You can overcome drawbacks in gear with determination and skill, and you could be doing that without knowing, but then getting onto the right gear can make what you're trying to achieve with your skiing that much easier.

The biggest ski companies in the industry love a gimmick technology/design piece, which among other reasons, helps the marketing people/shop sales staff have something of an easy point of difference to use to help sell skis, rather than fully understanding the design and being able to quickly describe how a ski would feel to ski on to each customer.
Dec 8 2022 6:18AM
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theabortionator
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1000000001Here’s another stupid thread for ya

THE SKI YOURE ON DOESNT FUCKING MATTER

80% of skiing is ability, 19% is the type of ski you’re riding, and 1% is the ski’s design
Do you all really think Harlaut wouldn’t be good on Salomons, or volkls?
Everything you think about a ski is just based on marketing and you sheep can’t figure it out.
The only attributes of a ski that matter are underfoot, turn radius, and flexibility. Everything else is just bullshit.


Becoming a pro skier is 10% luck, 20% abs,

15% concentrated power of dabs, 5% ski, 50% core, and 100% being a social media whore
Dec 8 2022 8:33AM
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Icant_kfed
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theabortionatorBecoming a pro skier is 10% luck, 20% abs,

15% concentrated power of dabs, 5% ski, 50% core, and 100% being a social media whore


Also 10% being born into more money than you know what to do with, and then acting like a jackass knowing some people are still going to support you because you know how to ski
Dec 8 2022 9:17AM
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elm.
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They do matter, though, mainly in the fun category. I'm gunna enjoy my day so much more on some playful pow/all mountain skis than I will on some basic volk/Salomon all mtn skis (just an example). Also will give me confidence and make me ski better.
Dec 8 2022 12:53PM
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Sighman_Fisher
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beck_shredzwhat about your boots


nah doesn´t matter, this is my 4th season riding on $60 alpina bootz and im fine. they don´t fit me.
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