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Hello, I ski in PA where there aren't many fantastic boot fitters (at least that I've found), and I was improperly fitted +2 mondo size above what I should've had. I looked around and made the long trip to a better fitter in Vermont. They fit all of my foot amazingly other than my toes kill to the point where it sadly almost isn't worth skiing through the pain. I have paid close attention to my landings and I do not think I land backseat. Is there a deterministic way to decide if I have too much toebox volume or too little? I want to figure out as much as I can without driving back and forth to Vermont trying to get it to feel good. Someone, please tell me there is hope because I fucking love skiing but this is the first time pain has been so bad that I want to consider sitting out. At least summer allowed my toenails to heal.
When you put your boot on, your toes should be pressing the front. Once you buckle them they should pull back but still touching. When you flex forward the pressure should come off so they are lightly brushing the front or just off. If this isn't the case they are too big. If this is the case, you're in the back seat.
^this is big Facts, I work at a ski shop and am the one who primarily does the boot fits and yea you really want your toes touching the front of the boot out of the box, cause as the guy above my said when you ski and flex into the boot, your heel and toes pull back a bit. Also if your boots are too big that is the primary cause of toe bang cause your foot ends up sliding inside the boot. Also don’t double sock, thinner the socks the better. And if there is too much space inside your boot use a insole shim to take away the extra space and volume inside the boot
That is the dream… how would you shim the insole? Maybe placing some paper or something to lift the front of my foot and my toes? What ways are there to slight move toes forward and decrease toebox volume?
KoshermilkIf you do everything right and your boots fit like a glove, you won’t get toe bang even on backseat landings
So this is what I mean by a insole shim, it’s like a 2 mm thick spacer (shown in picture) that you put under the actual inside in your liners that will take away the vertical space inside your boot which can be helpful, I use one in my boots to have a super snug fit. In terms of making the length of your boot tighter that’s a bit more difficult issue, but one thing that has worked for me in the past was getting an insole that was like 1 size too big, so the toe part of the insole curved up a little bit, taking away some space in the toe box. Hopefully that helps
I will have to try this. Might even be able to fit a sock toe box around the outside of my liner. Fixing this toe bang would be literally the best thing ever. Would it be smart to look into intuition liners over the OEM ones?
KoshermilkIf you still have ur boot box, there is probrably insole shims in there
tarmI will have to try this. Might even be able to fit a sock toe box around the outside of my liner. Fixing this toe bang would be literally the best thing ever. Would it be smart to look into intuition liners over the OEM ones?
I definately would recommend wrap liners, just super comfy and form fitting which is really what you want out of a liner. Also great cushioning for shin bang
Yeah I have intuitions in my rollerblades and their top notch. Only issue is nobody near me carry’s them and eBay is the cheapest place for them by far.
KoshermilkI definately would recommend wrap liners, just super comfy and form fitting which is really what you want out of a liner. Also great cushioning for shin bang
tarmYeah I have intuitions in my rollerblades and their top notch. Only issue is nobody near me carry’s them and eBay is the cheapest place for them by far.
I’m pretty sure you can go to intuitions website and buy just the liner on there
tarmYeah I have custom foodbeds but I don't know how good they are; bootfitter fit them and gave me them.
If you're in PA, look up Billy Kaplan at Performance Pedorthics in Churchville 215-760-8226
He is one of the best boot fitters in the USA, hands down. It won't be cheap, but he will fix your issues. He does everything from medical-grade footbeds, to shell work, to custom modifying liners (like has his own special sewing machines), etc. He will solve your issues.
Seems he’s only an hour and some change from me I will have to give him a call, thank you so much! Hopefully toe pain will be minimal this season.
onenerdykidIf you're in PA, look up Billy Kaplan at Performance Pedorthics in Churchville 215-760-8226
He is one of the best boot fitters in the USA, hands down. It won't be cheap, but he will fix your issues. He does everything from medical-grade footbeds, to shell work, to custom modifying liners (like has his own special sewing machines), etc. He will solve your issues.
Go get yourself some ballet point shoe toe protectors like these. Worked pretty well for me. they make them in silicone or these felt ones. I use the felt that has some gel in it but will probably try full silicone at some point to see if they absorb shock better.Ended up doubling up when hitting big jump with some of these bad boys.
THE-Albino*Go get yourself some ballet point shoe toe protectors like these. Worked pretty well for me. they make them in silicone or these felt ones. I use the felt that has some gel in it but will probably try full silicone at some point to see if they absorb shock better.Ended up doubling up when hitting big jump with some of these bad boys.
If you can ski with these in your boots, then your boots are WAY too big.
onenerdykidIf you can ski with these in your boots, then your boots are WAY too big.
My boots are actually really small(little less than one finger space without liner) but last season i switched liners to an aftermarket intuition that is really thin but comes higher up the ankle for support, even if I was using the same liner in a smaller boot Im sure Id have toe issues as there is like zero cushion. The toe pads are there just so that my toes don't feel like they're being rammed into straight plastic. It also fills the toe box a little bit which is nice because I have skinny ass women like feet.
1. double sock
2. cut toe nails
3. ibuprofen
2x ski socks and a pocket full of ibuprofen usually gets me through a day of landing backseat on every possible jump and rail and fucking my toes out of existence
