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Salomon shift 13s

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notyourmomssocks
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Can people who have skied this binding weigh in on how good it is. I've heard that they're dust, but there's a lot of used ones for cheap.
Sep 22 2022 7:54PM
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RIP_leos_shack
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Neither a good alpine or touring binding, but ideal if you plan on doing short tours involving dropping cliffs or if you plan on charging in a way not suitable for pin bindings.

Biggest thing to watch out for in my experience is the forward pressure tends to work it's way out. Easiest way to test is if you tail press and hear any clicking then you need to readjust it.
Sep 22 2022 8:41PM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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theyre sooo good



if you are into pre-ejecting

**This post was edited on Sep 22nd 2022 at 9:37:09pm
Sep 22 2022 9:36PM
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pissnu_skis
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I don’t like how they look

Sep 22 2022 10:54PM
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Non_State_Actor
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RIP_leos_shackNeither a good alpine or touring binding, but ideal if you plan on doing short tours involving dropping cliffs or if you plan on charging in a way not suitable for pin bindings.

Biggest thing to watch out for in my experience is the forward pressure tends to work it's way out. Easiest way to test is if you tail press and hear any clicking then you need to readjust it.


AFD needs to be checked/adjusted frequently as well and set TIGHT to avoid premature ejaculations.
Sep 22 2022 11:18PM
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ModMommy
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It’s a binding. That’s my review, take it as you will. I ski dynafits again.
Sep 23 2022 12:07AM
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animator
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safarisamIt’s a binding. That’s my review, take it as you will. I ski dynafits again.


i got a moment voyager after i sold my shifts, no idea why i wanted to ski anything else. @Moment you guys really did very well with the voyager
Sep 23 2022 12:36AM
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Skipow907
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It honestly depends on what your using them for, I have had them for a couple years as a quiver of one. I crank the din a setting higher than normal and check to make sure they’re adjusted right every once and a while. Ive broken the brakes a couple times but other than that they’ve held up pretty good and I’ve done everything with them from 15 mile hut trips to big exposed sketchy stuff to hucking stuff in the resort. you’re gonna use them for mostly backcountry just get pin bindings, if you’re gonna be skiing mostly inbounds just get some alpine bindings, but if you wanna go hard in the bc and still be able to ski the same ski inbounds they aren’t that bad
Sep 23 2022 3:14AM
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Lemmshady
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If you're in to flexing skis, prepare to pre-release
Sep 23 2022 3:36AM
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hot.pocket
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animatori got a moment voyager after i sold my shifts, no idea why i wanted to ski anything else. @Moment you guys really did very well with the voyager

Much appreciated.
Sep 23 2022 11:23AM
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wasatch_rat
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The reason there's a lot of used ones for cheap is that they have pre-release and durability issues, so people want to get rid of them. Cast system, marker duke PT, and even marker kingpin are all better options.
Sep 23 2022 11:31AM
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animator
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hot.pocketMuch appreciated.


We sold a ton of them last season and expect to do the same this year too!
Sep 23 2022 7:58PM
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Logi
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Every shift owner uses their shifts for one season, finds out the bindings are shit, and then sell them the next season for the cycle to repeat
Sep 24 2022 1:17AM
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Burgy
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CAST>>>>
Sep 24 2022 3:18PM
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ajbski
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They’re just ok.

they fit the same market as king pins except they’re slightly more alpine oriented. Most people can use them on the resort all year long. As a park skier I would not. I wouldn’t risk screwing them up with park abuse. Lots of moving parts.

As a touring/uphill binding they leave a lot to be desired compared to a pin binding. They 100% beat a frame/plate binding or daymakers.
Sep 24 2022 3:48PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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My buddy skis his Kartel 108s with shifts everywhere from pvc tubes to the park to other in bounds stuff and ofc a lot of touring. I don't recommend this but it's worked for him for a few years now. The bindings seem suss but he's been mostly fine so far. He does have and use other skis though, it's not a one ski quiver.

My shifts have less than ten days but have been really solid so far including performing really well on a medium-sized BC jump. They're not the most confidence-boosting binding, but I am definitely more concerned about breaking my touring skis than anything with the bindings. I'd say if you aren't super heavy or ski super hard all the time, go for it.
Sep 24 2022 8:46PM
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Crispy.
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Had mine for a season and a half then sold them. Had a couple issues with them and they really don't feel that good to ski. If you haven't pulled trigger yet, I would 100% go either kingpin or cast.
Sep 24 2022 9:31PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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I meant to say go for it if you can get some solid used ones
Sep 24 2022 9:59PM
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Schoess
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Aa previously stated here, shifts seem to work we if they are setup right and you don't weigh a lot. @skierman will tell you that I am not very light so I don't trust them for myself but I see a lot of people enjoying them. Great option for casual touring and resort skiing in my opinion. I am looking to get my wife on them in a few years.
Sep 25 2022 10:49AM
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blyatful
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???? Not even mentioning ATK is kinda ridiculous ngl.. You did nothing for this binding. Engineered by AtK, build by them.
hot.pocketMuch appreciated.
Jan 11 2023 6:32AM
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hot.pocket
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blyatful???? Not even mentioning ATK is kinda ridiculous ngl.. You did nothing for this binding. Engineered by AtK, build by them.

We are very straightforward that ATK designed and produced the binding for us, from the product page:

Last year we worked with ATK of Italy, leaders in tech binding innovation since 2007, to bring you the Voyager platform: the most advanced tech binding on the market.

After checking some other websites that sell rebranded ATK bindings, I couldn't find one that mentions ATK at all, other than in the spec manual or spare parts portion.

We did work with ATK to change the ramp angle by increasing the height of the toe piece, which is quite a bit more than the rest of the companies that are simply white labeling ATK bindings as their own.

ATK ended up testing our version, and liked it so much, they now offer the FreeRaider with an optional shim to recreate the Voyager, so I'd say it's fair that we did something for the binding.

If anyone ever asks about the Voyager, 9 times out of 10 I mention ATK, as it gives validity to the binding and platform.
Jan 11 2023 10:23AM
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freeballer
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I personally think they are great and haven't had any issues with them at all. They certainly don't go up as well as a real pin binding, but not that bad at all. For skiing downhill, they kick the living shit out of any touring binding I've ever tried. It's not even a comparison. They ski so much better than any true pin/tech AT binding. They ski as close to a real alpine binding as you can find on the market.
Jan 11 2023 12:36PM
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tinkytwinky
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Shifts are really light and burlier than a dynafit, but they are not what you want as a daily driver if you're pushing yourself.

The bindings eject in pow landings pretty frequently / eject when you dont want them to too often.

The light weight of the binding also makes driving through the front shovel a bit more difficult, def causes the ski to be more chattery than it would be otherwise.

The brakes are a nightmare and will regularly lose their shape when you take a hard spill or not deploy properly and you'll chase your ski. I actually use a leash on both skis when i use the shifts.

TLDR - light, good for spinning / making a ski more buttery, but bad to charge with and pretty unreliable
Jan 11 2023 2:12PM
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blyatful
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Fair enough. I just felt like you taking all the credit. Thanks for clarifying and have a nice day!
hot.pocketWe are very straightforward that ATK designed and produced the binding for us, from the product page:

Last year we worked with ATK of Italy, leaders in tech binding innovation since 2007, to bring you the Voyager platform: the most advanced tech binding on the market.

After checking some other websites that sell rebranded ATK bindings, I couldn't find one that mentions ATK at all, other than in the spec manual or spare parts portion.

We did work with ATK to change the ramp angle by increasing the height of the toe piece, which is quite a bit more than the rest of the companies that are simply white labeling ATK bindings as their own.

ATK ended up testing our version, and liked it so much, they now offer the FreeRaider with an optional shim to recreate the Voyager, so I'd say it's fair that we did something for the binding.

If anyone ever asks about the Voyager, 9 times out of 10 I mention ATK, as it gives validity to the binding and platform.
Jan 12 2023 3:50AM
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