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Completely new setup that won't put me in credit card debt?

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notyourmomssocks
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I been skiing on shitty skis, shitty boots and shitty bindings for far too long. I need new everything. I know this is a big ask but what do people thing is the best setup for touring and downhill (i.e. a binding and boots that can do both). The only thing I have is park skis so I'm looking for more of an all mountain ski. I definitely will sacrifice a little quality for a better price, but obviously I'd like to be able to use this shit for a while. Lmk yall's suggestions.
Sep 5 2022 10:31PM
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twinkle_toes
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Damn wouldn’t that be nice. Having one setup for park, all mountain, and touring!

I can’t imagine riding park in touring boots. But I’ve seen people do it

Definitely would not ride park in pin bindings either. Maybe the Cast Touring system would be good for you? Or the shift binding. Depending on how much you plan on touring, maybe consider daymakers?

For skis, idk there’s tons of options. Depends on where you live and what kind of stuff you’re skiing. 102 would prolly be a good sweet spot. Check out the most recent gear guide that’s on the homepage
Sep 5 2022 11:43PM
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Biffbarf
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What you're asking for doesn't exist. Get a good alpine setup (find last years model attacks/pivots/sth2's, and last year's model k2/rossignol/atomic/salomon/nordica/etc, then go to a bootfitter)

Then cop some used touring gear on the cheap that's only been used once or twice because dreaming of bc touring is usually more fun than actual bc touring for a lot of people.
Sep 6 2022 1:12AM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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If youre on a tight budget i suggest snowshoes
Sep 6 2022 3:05AM
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PaulCollinsWebb
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Duke pt is cheaper than cast and preforms very well on the the way down as far as a boot I would recommend a debello lupo it’s a 3 piece (like a full tilt) with tech toe and heal and a walk mode
Sep 6 2022 6:28AM
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olddirty
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Start with some nice boots that fit
Sep 6 2022 9:02AM
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Ball_Sacker
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Atomic, Armada and Solomon Shifts 13 are probably the best binding for what your doing. You can find ones that are being resold that are basically new, or used like once for way cheaper.

**This post was edited on Sep 6th 2022 at 9:27:31am
Sep 6 2022 9:25AM
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mattytru
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Not sure why people are confused over this, any hybrid boot and binding will work well for what you are describing. I use the CAST system for bindings (shifts and marker duke pts will also work well), and atomic hawx for my hybrid boots (dalbello lupos are another good choice).

hybrid bindings will allow you to tour, but also lock down for downhill usage, retaining complete functionality of an alpine binding. hybrid boots have tech toes to allow the pins of your bindings to be inserted for touring, and also feature a walk mode in the back, to make them easier to tour in.
Sep 6 2022 9:57AM
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isaacwrong
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notyourmomssocksI been skiing on shitty skis, shitty boots and shitty bindings for far too long. I need new everything. I know this is a big ask but what do people thing is the best setup for touring and downhill (i.e. a binding and boots that can do both). The only thing I have is park skis so I'm looking for more of an all mountain ski. I definitely will sacrifice a little quality for a better price, but obviously I'd like to be able to use this shit for a while. Lmk yall's suggestions.


Get fitted/buy new boots for sure and then browse facebook/craigslist/ksl for used skis. As mentioned above it'll be a lot cheaper to have to seperate setups. I've been rocking the k2 mindbenders the past 2 seasons for park and have no complaints. Pretty sure right now their 2022-2021 boots are hella cheap too.
Sep 6 2022 9:58AM
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Dilldoes
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twinkle_toesDamn wouldn’t that be nice. Having one setup for park, all mountain, and touring!

I can’t imagine riding park in touring boots. But I’ve seen people do it

Definitely would not ride park in pin bindings either. Maybe the Cast Touring system would be good for you? Or the shift binding. Depending on how much you plan on touring, maybe consider daymakers?

For skis, idk there’s tons of options. Depends on where you live and what kind of stuff you’re skiing. 102 would prolly be a good sweet spot. Check out the most recent gear guide that’s on the homepage


I've thrown a few cork 9's in my Dabello touring boots no issue.

I bought them for a touring boot and ended up using them full time cause they comfy as hell.
Sep 6 2022 10:38AM
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Zurg
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I didn't read most of the thread but daymakers seem like a solid option for you. You can find a pretty nice setup on snowshare or facebook marketplace and save some $$ there. (found a pair of 186 on3p jeffery 108s with jesters for $350). Then you can go to a boot fitter and learn models of boots that will fit your foot. From there you can search online to find those boots at some kind of a discount (maybe last years model of them?). Obviously this isn't the perfect system, but for the money you will save, it will get the job done until you can upgrade to more pricey gear.
Sep 6 2022 12:12PM
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ajbski
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i would keep your park skis just for park. skis get fucked on rails/boxes, landing bad on big jumps and everything else in between. bring your park skis in the car with you, and when everything in resort gets tracked out, take a little break and swap the skis.

i wouldnt risk fucking up my only set of touring bindings riding park. shifts are great, but i dont trust mine for charging hard on moguls let alone in the park. lots of moving parts in them compared to your typical binding. CAST system is good if youre 100% set on a one ski quiver or wanna get corked in the BC.... its just expensive AF.

Start with a boot. there are many options in your criteria. FT sammy carlson, atomic/salomon, dalbello, fischer. find one thats fits good and get all the work done on it. dont get caught up in the graphics or look too much. try and get something with dynafit inserts. when you decide on what you like doing most, you will atleast have something that covers all the bases.

having multiple sets of skis is a lot more practical in the long run, and if you go the used route; probably less expensive too.
If youre in Calgary area, check out switching gear in Canmore. Just last week, i picked up BD reverts with mohair skins, G3 ion13 bindings and a pair of Scarpa boots (for my GF) for $500. all in great condition. the gear exchange in Bishop California had some sweet deals on touring set ups.
Sep 6 2022 1:12PM
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WabbleDee
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gonna be hard to pull off but get a look cast system and hybrid boots with like a 101 width ski. You’re def gonna notice issues tho if you rip hard, kind of tricky to get a setup that can do all 3 of those things if you’re advanced.

buy used park skis and get a resort/AT setup. You’re really not gonna want to ride a touring setup in park
Sep 6 2022 4:04PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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My friend has Kartel 108s with Shifts and he has used them for the ridge at Bridger, touring BC, hitting park, urban, playing guitar, sex, money laundering, and more. The bindings are definitely sus because of how beat up they are, but it still hasn't really let him down except in nose butters
Sep 6 2022 4:43PM
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notyourmomssocks
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BiffbarfWhat you're asking for doesn't exist. Get a good alpine setup (find last years model attacks/pivots/sth2's, and last year's model k2/rossignol/atomic/salomon/nordica/etc, then go to a bootfitter)

Then cop some used touring gear on the cheap that's only been used once or twice because dreaming of bc touring is usually more fun than actual bc touring for a lot of people.


so u think it would be more cost effective to get a resort and touring setup?
Sep 6 2022 8:46PM
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notyourmomssocks
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notyourmomssocksI been skiing on shitty skis, shitty boots and shitty bindings for far too long. I need new everything. I know this is a big ask but what do people thing is the best setup for touring and downhill (i.e. a binding and boots that can do both). The only thing I have is park skis so I'm looking for more of an all mountain ski. I definitely will sacrifice a little quality for a better price, but obviously I'd like to be able to use this shit for a while. Lmk yall's suggestions.


Lotta good stuff in here. I think ppl are missing where I said I already have park skis, I just need a downhill oriented ski that can tour occasionally. Don't really want frames cus they're heavy but ill get em if i gotta. Or maybe two pairs of skis?
Sep 6 2022 9:06PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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notyourmomssocksso u think it would be more cost effective to get a resort and touring setup?


Nah definitely not if you already have park skis you can ride on some of the lower tide days
Sep 6 2022 11:48PM
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Biffbarf
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notyourmomssocksso u think it would be more cost effective to get a resort and touring setup?


I think so. I can probably find a sick deal on new skis, new bindings, and a lightly used touring ski with pin bindings on craigslist for the cost of a cast turing system at retail. Boots are another story, don't buy boots expecting to save money, most essential part of the kit. There may be good 50/50 boots out there but really you're gonna want a dedicated (lighter) boot of you tour often.

Stuff that's made to go 60mph thru variable terrain for dozens of laps on end won't be good for walking slowly up a mountain to make a one, maybe two runs all day.

Real light kit that won't kick your ass and makes the 90% of your ski day enjoyable when walking uphill both ways in a blizzard won't be good for cruising the resort.

Now there is prob stuff that works well enough (cast system, shifts, dukes, etc) for both but it will not be cheap and it's best to be real honest with ourself about how much you're actually gonna tour if it's worth it to you.
Sep 7 2022 1:24AM
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jompcock
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mattytruNot sure why people are confused over this, any hybrid boot and binding will work well for what you are describing. I use the CAST system for bindings (shifts and marker duke pts will also work well), and atomic hawx for my hybrid boots (dalbello lupos are another good choice).

hybrid bindings will allow you to tour, but also lock down for downhill usage, retaining complete functionality of an alpine binding. hybrid boots have tech toes to allow the pins of your bindings to be inserted for touring, and also feature a walk mode in the back, to make them easier to tour in.


DilldoesI've thrown a few cork 9's in my Dabello touring boots no issue.

I bought them for a touring boot and ended up using them full time cause they comfy as hell.


I have Lupo AX's and Il Moro's, both claim to be 120 flex but the Lupos are way softer. Almost tore my achilles skiing moguls cause the boot folded on me. I still love the Lupos and they lasted me a good season as m everything boot but they're touring only for me now.

Not saying they can't be do it all boots, just that the flex number is higher on their touring boots than they probably should be.
Sep 7 2022 5:25PM
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mattytru
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jompcockflex number is higher on their touring boots than they probably should be.


yeah for sure, i think it's due to the construction of the boot with a walk mode. my hawx 130s do not ride like a 130 alpine boot, and ive ripped the walk mode out of them a couple times.

that said, i've heard the dynafit hoji 130s are the real deal. can anyone confirm?
Sep 7 2022 7:23PM
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Dilldoes
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jompcockI have Lupo AX's and Il Moro's, both claim to be 120 flex but the Lupos are way softer. Almost tore my achilles skiing moguls cause the boot folded on me. I still love the Lupos and they lasted me a good season as m everything boot but they're touring only for me now.

Not saying they can't be do it all boots, just that the flex number is higher on their touring boots than they probably should be.


Agreed on the flex. My brain says 110 as actual.
Sep 7 2022 9:45PM
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galardogod
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Boots I would allot the most money to. Find a pair you like and that fit. They could be cheap they may be expensive, no way to know. Skis depends on what you want but I will list a couple with pros and cons: Line Honey Badger pro very inexpensive, very light weight, honestly a pretty good value Cons if you are bigger or plan on skiing anything gnarly or steep and deep, I would not trust these skis they are to light and soft. Ideal area would be park or all mountain cruising. Faction Candid 1.0 is on sale on skis.com rn for $261.00. I would buy these immediately if you don't intend on skiing knee deep powder, they are solid skis and can do anything other than deep pow. That is an insane deal. Line Sick days make for honorable mention here. Pro there is you get an option on waist con Line durability. Bindings, I will catch flack here, but I love the marker squire and have never had a problem with them. Most 12 Din bindings are around the same price. Wardens are good the Look makes a few budget options. The reality of a ski binding is you do not need 14+ Din settings. I ski park 30+ days a year and have not broke a pair of squires. Do what you want with that information.
Sep 9 2022 5:07PM
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galardogod
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I missed the touring part of this. Yeah I would buy new boots and look for used set up. That shit is expensive
Sep 9 2022 5:08PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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Have you toured before?
If you have not toured before, do not put too much thought into it. Buy those candide 1.0s mentioned and use them for the mountain. Get some good fitting boots. Grab some Daymarkers and skins later on down the road. I, personally, would take a resort ski over a touring ski but that’s just my preference. I actually ski the resort on a ski that is also, partially, meant to tour - the fauna pioneer. But then again, it’s a bit stiffer and has a nice flex. I would hate a touring noodle inbounds.



In sum, ease into the touring part and put less focus on it if you are new to it. There’s always time to slowly acquire the bindings, etc. for a touring ski while you ski the resort.
Also, take an AIARE level 1 if you haven’t.
Sep 9 2022 5:44PM
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