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Young_pattyAmericans anytime a terrorist attack or mass shooting/stabbing happens somewhere that isn’t the US:
Not really. We do this continually for things in the US and if you haven't noticed the US has been the laughing stock of the world whenever there's a shooting. Everywhere globally always talk so negatively like their rules actually work or something. If I had a nickel every time a Canadian or Australian on this site commented on US gun violence...
People at all levels fail to comprehend that this is a multifaceted problem. Sometimes gangs. Sometimes mental health. Sometimes terrorism. Etc. There's always another method. If there's a will, there's a way.
mobadisBan assault knives now. Noone needs a 6 inch blade. What are you compensating for your small penis.
Britain did that. They have laws about knives you can and cannot use. Sometimes I think all these events are state ops. Canada is a sub-Corporation of Crown Inc. They don't want their Sub-corporations citizens revolting against their revenue. Ban all objects that can be used as weapons!
yugonaNot really. We do this continually for things in the US and if you haven't noticed the US has been the laughing stock of the world whenever there's a shooting. Everywhere globally always talk so negatively like their rules actually work or something. If I had a nickel every time a Canadian or Australian on this site commented on US gun violence...
People at all levels fail to comprehend that this is a multifaceted problem. Sometimes gangs. Sometimes mental health. Sometimes terrorism. Etc. There's always another method. If there's a will, there's a way.
And yet it should be El Salvador or any other Latin America country that should be the laughing stock of the world. Their murder rate and gun violence is far greater than America. Take away inner cities and ghettos in America and our violent crime is near Swiss levels.
qazwsxedc34And yet it should be El Salvador or any other Latin America country that should be the laughing stock of the world. Their murder rate and gun violence is far greater than America. Take away inner cities and ghettos in America and our violent crime is near Swiss levels.
LOL it took two men multiple hours over multiple locations to rack up this kill count. In the U.S., this would have been easily achieved in 5 minutes by a single pre-teen.
This is yet another example of how the U.S. is better than everyone else, even our mass murders.
skiermanLOL it took two men multiple hours over multiple locations to rack up this kill count. In the U.S., this would have been easily achieved in 5 minutes by a single pre-teen.
This is yet another example of how the U.S. is better than everyone else, even our mass murders.
10 killed, 18 injured and your response is “it took longer so it’s not as bad”… you’re an idiot.
skiermanNo, my response is the U.S. does everything better. Are you tiktok or something?
Saying that “the US does everything better” in a facetious manner in this context implies that you don’t believe that this crime is as severe as the mass killings that take place in the US. And by implying that, I am led to believe that you are an idiot.
**This post was edited on Sep 6th 2022 at 9:26:52am
Craw_DaddySaying that “the US does everything better” in a facetious manner in this context implies that you don’t believe that this crime is as severe as the mass killings that take place in the US. And by implying that, I am led to believe that you are an idiot.
**This post was edited on Sep 6th 2022 at 9:26:52am
Craw_Daddy10 killed, 18 injured and your response is “it took longer so it’s not as bad”… you’re an idiot.
More like "thank god they couldn't get guns or it'd be 150 dead".
At the end of the day, like you said, if someone wants to kill, they can kill, even with just their hands. The point is that guns make it much easier for people like that to rack up kills, make guns harder to get and you'll limit the body count and save lives. But it certainly won't completely eradicate murder because people were murdering each other since long before guns were even invented.
Monsieur_PatateMore like "thank god they couldn't get guns or it'd be 150 dead".
Atuch easier for people like that to rack up kills, make guns harder to get and you'll limit the body count and save lives. But it certainly won't completely eradicate murder because people were murdering each other since long before guns were even invented.
Since you’re just going to start using hypothetical scenarios here, let me offer an alternative one. If people in Canada had access to firearms then this incident likely wouldn’t have happened or far fewer would have been killed because the victims would have had the means to defend themselves. Guns are used defensively millions of times each year in the US.
People can easily make bombs or drive trucks into crowded areas and rack up even larger kill counts than they could with a gun. So I’ll say it again, evil people will always find a way to kill others. Gun laws and hypotheticals won’t change that.
Craw_DaddySince you’re just going to start using hypothetical scenarios here, let me offer an alternative one. If people in Canada had access to firearms then this incident likely wouldn’t have happened or far fewer would have been killed because the victims would have had the means to defend themselves. Guns are used defensively millions of times each year in the US.
People can easily make bombs or drive trucks into crowded areas and rack up even larger kill counts than they could with a gun. So I’ll say it again, evil people will always find a way to kill others. Gun laws and hypotheticals won’t change that.
Gun laws have changed that all over the world, so it's more likely to have a positive than negative impact here too.
I'm not going to argue with you, you're not going to change your mind, and neither will I. There's plenty of data available showing that tighter control over guns has reduced gun-related violence and homicides all over the world (i.e saved lives). You can keep choosing to disregard it because it doesn't fit your narrative tho, I really don't care.
Monsieur_PatateGun laws have changed that all over the world, so it's more likely to have a positive than negative impact here too.
I'm not going to argue with you, you're not going to change your mind, and neither will I. There's plenty of data available showing that tighter control over guns has reduced gun-related violence and homicides all over the world (i.e saved lives). You can keep choosing to disregard it because it doesn't fit your narrative tho, I really don't care.
Gun control laws have changed what all over the world? Mass killing kill counts? Okay that’s a complete lie.
There is just as much data that guns reduce violence as there is that it contributes to it. Violent crime in general has been going down in the developed world for decades. It has a much stronger correlation with the use of unleaded gasoline than it does with the availability of firearms.
**This post was edited on Sep 6th 2022 at 2:32:34pm
Craw_DaddyGun control laws have changed what all over the world? Mass killing kill counts? Okay that’s a complete lie.
There is just as much data that guns reduce violence as there is that it contributes to it. Violent crime in general has been going down in the developed world for decades. It has a much stronger correlation with the use of unleaded gasoline than it does with the availability of firearms.
**This post was edited on Sep 6th 2022 at 2:32:34pm
Damn, homie. I've never seen someone so bent on having useless arguments online. Tiktok, bro. Tiktok.
Craw_DaddyDamn homie I’m sitting in a boring meeting right now and have nothing better to do. Guess you can just kiss my pro-gun ass bro.
Not worth it man. These clowns aren't for gun control, they just want the state to have the monopoly on violence. If it could just save one life, they'll say, because that's never backfired historically, ever.
BiffbarfNot worth it man. These clowns aren't for gun control, they just want the state to have the monopoly on violence. If it could just save one life, they'll say, because that's never backfired historically, ever.
No, I want the U.S. to keep their monopoly on violence.
skiermanNo, I want the U.S. to keep their monopoly on violence.
U quote joe Rogan basically verbatim. Make sure to give him credit every time u spew ur bullshit. U don’t have one original thought. And ur not even qualified to talk politic. U talking politics is like a homeless person trying to explain heart surgery
johnnyfairplayU quote joe Rogan basically verbatim. Make sure to give him credit every time u spew ur bullshit. U don’t have one original thought. And ur not even qualified to talk politic. U talking politics is like a homeless person trying to explain heart surgery
Imagine having to create a fake account just to spew generic bullshit while being too lazy to spell out "you". Fucking pathetic.
Craw_DaddyGun control laws have changed what all over the world? Mass killing kill counts? Okay that’s a complete lie.
There is just as much data that guns reduce violence as there is that it contributes to it. Violent crime in general has been going down in the developed world for decades. It has a much stronger correlation with the use of unleaded gasoline than it does with the availability of firearms.
**This post was edited on Sep 6th 2022 at 2:32:34pm
I specifically said "gun-related violence and homicides", you're misquoting me on purpose.
There are plenty of data points to help make the argument that regulations reduces gun violence, from all over the world. And even domestically studies have shown more guns = more homicides, here's some reading from Harvard for you.
There's only one data point to back up your claim that gun ownership reduces violence, it's a phone survey of 2500 people from the 90s that was extrapolated to the entire US pop., from which even the author said "there were not 1.5 million lives saved in 1994 through defensive gun uses. Many of the crimes being defended against would not have been fatal even without gun defense". So basically that number is meaningless to the problem being discussed, from the author himself.
And the other study on defensive gun use done in 2000 did not even find a single instance where a gun saved someone’s life.
"There is just as much data" yeah, right! Not only is there not even close to the same amount of data, but little data you have doesn't hold any water anyway.
You're just proving my point, you're repeating whatever made-up/cherry picked stuff you heard from gun-advocating groups and accepting it as a fact without thinking critically simply because it fits your narrative.
Monsieur_PatateI specifically said "gun-related violence and homicides", you're misquoting me on purpose.
There are plenty of data points to help make the argument that regulations reduces gun violence, from all over the world. And even domestically studies have shown more guns = more homicides, here's some reading from Harvard for you.
There's only one data point to back up your claim that gun ownership reduces violence, it's a phone survey of 2500 people from the 90s that was extrapolated to the entire US pop., from which even the author said "there were not 1.5 million lives saved in 1994 through defensive gun uses. Many of the crimes being defended against would not have been fatal even without gun defense". So basically that number is meaningless to the problem being discussed, from the author himself.
And the other study on defensive gun use done in 2000 did not even find a single instance where a gun saved someone’s life.
"There is just as much data" yeah, right! Not only is there not even close to the same amount of data, but little data you have doesn't hold any water anyway.
You're just proving my point, you're repeating whatever made-up/cherry picked stuff you heard from gun-advocating groups and accepting it as a fact without thinking critically simply because it fits your narrative.
Imagine not knowing that violent crime directly correlates with homicide… Homicide rates have also been steadily decreasing since leaded fuels were outlawed.
You’re right that I’m avoiding using the term “gun violence” though because that word changes meaning to fit whatever stupid leftist narrative it needs to just like “mass shooting”. Please define “gun violence” for us since you’re so sure that America leads the world in it and you’re totally not full of shit ;)
Id also advise you to look at the FBIs statistics on DGUs. It should be pretty eye opening for you. Whether or not the author (of an article you picked) believes that people who use guns defensively actually had their lives threatened; the fact remains that there are far more examples of responsible gun owners using their firearms to protect their lives and the lives of those around them then there are crazed people indiscriminately killing.
Craw_DaddyImagine not knowing that violent crime directly correlates with homicide… Homicide rates have also been steadily decreasing since leaded fuels were outlawed.
You’re right that I’m avoiding using the term “gun violence” though because that word changes meaning to fit whatever stupid leftist narrative it needs to just like “mass shooting”. Please define “gun violence” for us since you’re so sure that America leads the world in it and you’re totally not full of shit ;)
Id also advise you to look at the FBIs statistics on DGUs. It should be pretty eye opening for you. Whether or not the author (of an article you picked) believes that people who use guns defensively actually had their lives threatened; the fact remains that there are far more examples of responsible gun owners using their firearms to protect their lives and the lives of those around them then there are crazed people indiscriminately killing.
Gun violence = violence inflicted with a gun (homicide, suicide, unintentional death, robbery, etc.) I'm fine sticking with homicides tho, it's obviously the easiest to argue about since it's virtually automatically reported. Mass shooting falls under homicides.
Where did I say the US was leading the world in homicide again? You're again misquoting me on purpose because you have no argument. But I'll bite, the US most definitely leads the developed world (i.e comparable countries) in homicide rate, by like a lot, it's not even close:
Guess what? The US also has the highest gun ownership rate, not only of comparable countries tho, of the entire world:
You were arguing higher gun ownership would reduce homicides? (without providing a iota of evidence to back up that claim btw, which doesn't surprise me since it doesn't exist.)
We've basically been applying your strategy for the past century, to the point that we're first in gun ownership, and yet we're stuck with the worst homicide rate in the developed world. Seems to me that's your strategy isn't really paying off?
qazwsxedc34And yet it should be El Salvador or any other Latin America country that should be the laughing stock of the world. Their murder rate and gun violence is far greater than America. Take away inner cities and ghettos in America and our violent crime is near Swiss levels.
Think about it though. We literally call ourselves "the greatest country in the world" and never shut up about it and our freedom. Invade other countries to spread out greatness and freedom.
Hard to be like "Well El Salvador has a hire murder rate than the US".
I don't think that really matters much. There are a lot of countries in the world, a lot of issues. Saying hey that countey over there has a bigger problem then us isn't a great reaction to anything happening here ever. If we're the greatest country that is or whatever.
theabortionatorThink about it though. We literally call ourselves "the greatest country in the world" and never shut up about it and our freedom. Invade other countries to spread out greatness and freedom.
Hard to be like "Well El Salvador has a hire murder rate than the US".
I don't think that really matters much. There are a lot of countries in the world, a lot of issues. Saying hey that countey over there has a bigger problem then us isn't a great reaction to anything happening here ever. If we're the greatest country that is or whatever.
Monsieur_PatateGun violence = violence inflicted with a gun (homicide, suicide, unintentional death, robbery, etc.) I'm fine sticking with homicides tho, it's obviously the easiest to argue about since it's virtually automatically reported. Mass shooting falls under homicides.
Where did I say the US was leading the world in homicide again? You're again misquoting me on purpose because you have no argument. But I'll bite, the US most definitely leads the developed world (i.e comparable countries) in homicide rate, by like a lot, it's not even close:
Guess what? The US also has the highest gun ownership rate, not only of comparable countries tho, of the entire world:
So put another way, we are 1st in guns per capita and 64th in homicides. Yeah, that's a really strong correlation you got there. But of course, we look bad when compared to countries that are extremely ethnically and culturally homogenous so we should just ban guns... Let's look at a country with an extremely low homicide rate, Singapore. Do you know what happens if you get caught with drugs there? They execute your ass. Meanwhile in the US judges are letting lifelong career criminals go free. We have large amounts of poverty and lots of households without fathers to help raise children. Maybe it's that stuff that contributes to our high murder rate among "developed" countries more so than inanimate objects.
You were arguing higher gun ownership would reduce homicides? (without providing a iota of evidence to back up that claim btw, which doesn't surprise me since it doesn't exist.)
Let me ask you something if you are committing a crime against someone and they pull a gun on you are you going to keep committing that crime? Do you think the knowledge that police have guns might prevent some violent criminals from acting on their violent tendencies? I think it does.
We've basically been applying your strategy for the past century, to the point that we're first in gun ownership, and yet we're stuck with the worst homicide rate in the developed world. Seems to me that's your strategy isn't really paying off?
"Applying my strategy for the past century" lol. No, we've been following the bill of rights and we've been doing that since 1789.
Craw_DaddySo put another way, we are 1st in guns per capita and 64th in homicides. Yeah, that's a really strong correlation you got there. But of course, we look bad when compared to countries that are extremely ethnically and culturally homogenous so we should just ban guns... Let's look at a country with an extremely low homicide rate, Singapore. Do you know what happens if you get caught with drugs there? They execute your ass. Meanwhile in the US judges are letting lifelong career criminals go free. We have large amounts of poverty and lots of households without fathers to help raise children. Maybe it's that stuff that contributes to our high murder rate among "developed" countries more so than inanimate objects.
Let me ask you something if you are committing a crime against someone and they pull a gun on you are you going to keep committing that crime? Do you think the knowledge that police have guns might prevent some violent criminals from acting on their violent tendencies? I think it does.
"Applying my strategy for the past century" lol. No, we've been following the bill of rights and we've been doing that since 1789.
You want a correlation? Among developed countries: 1st in guns per capita (by a lot), 1st in murder rate (by a lot too).
I guess your second point is that more ethnicity mean more crime? Europe is about as culturally homogeneous as the US, as for ethnicity, some EU country have even more diversity than the US, some less, so it most definitely is a fair comparison. The US actually isn't a particularly ethnically diverse place by developed world standards, it's right there in the middle (Canada is more diverse for example):
Then about crime in general, a lot of EU countries have more crime than the US (France for example), yet a much lower homicide rate, so that's not a good argument either.
Onto the next one: single parenting. The US' might have the highest share of single parent homes in comparable countries, but not by far (23% in the US vs. 21% in the UK and 18% in France, yet they have a much lower homicide rate), so it's comparable, therefore that doesn't explain it either.
Not sure how Singapore is relevant to the discussion, because again, we're looking at countries with comparable systems, but since you want to go there: EU countries achieve their much lower homicide rate while having an arguably much laxer penal system. Taking France as an example again, crime higher than the US, incarceration rate much, much lower (119 vs 629). Looks like despite being super easy on crime, France still manages to have an homicide rate 5 times lower than the US.
And lastly regarding your extremely short-sighted question. Sure, gun ownership prevents some anecdotal crimes, no one is arguing against that, but all the data shows that little crime it probably prevents is far outweighed by the homicides it facilitates, that's the entire argument: Guns create more problems than they solve.
That's why it's tough to take anything you say seriously, again, you just regurgitate whatever talking point you heard in a source favorable to your desired viewpoint without looking into it any further, you're not capable of thinking critically.
For the record I don't even think we should ban guns, I'd simply be in favor of a licence and a waiting period, that's all (which btw is the model in most of the EU, guns aren't banned altogether there, law abiding citizens can still get guns, they just have to jump through a few hoops to make sure they're responsible gun owners, which I think is just common sense)
Monsieur_PatateYou want a correlation? Among developed countries: 1st in guns per capita (by a lot), 1st in murder rate (by a lot too).
I guess your second point is that more ethnicity mean more crime? Europe is about as culturally homogeneous as the US, as for ethnicity, some EU country have even more diversity than the US, some less, so it most definitely is a fair comparison. The US actually isn't a particularly ethnically diverse place by developed world standards, it's right there in the middle (Canada is more diverse for example):
Then about crime in general, a lot of EU countries have more crime than the US (France for example), yet a much lower homicide rate, so that's not a good argument either.
Onto the next one: single parenting. The US' might have the highest share of single parent homes in comparable countries, but not by far (23% in the US vs. 21% in the UK and 18% in France, yet they have a much lower homicide rate), so it's comparable, therefore that doesn't explain it either.
Not sure how Singapore is relevant to the discussion, because again, we're looking at countries with comparable systems, but since you want to go there: EU countries achieve their much lower homicide rate while having an arguably much laxer penal system. Taking France as an example again, crime higher than the US, incarceration rate much, much lower (119 vs 629). Looks like despite being super easy on crime, France still manages to have an homicide rate 5 times lower than the US.
And lastly regarding your extremely short-sighted question. Sure, gun ownership prevents some anecdotal crimes, no one is arguing against that, but all the data shows that little crime it probably prevents is far outweighed by the homicides it facilitates, that's the entire argument: Guns create more problems than they solve.
That's why it's tough to take anything you say seriously, again, you just regurgitate whatever talking point you heard in a source favorable to your desired viewpoint without looking into it any further, you're not capable of thinking critically.
For the record I don't even think we should ban guns, I'd simply be in favor of a licence and a waiting period, that's all (which btw is the model in most of the EU, guns aren't banned altogether there, law abiding citizens can still get guns, they just have to jump through a few hoops to make sure they're responsible gun owners, which I think is just common sense)
Define “developed country” for us. Is Singapore not a developed country?? Also the last time I checked Europe is not a country lol. The cultural and racial homogeneity of an entire continent is not what I’m talking about. Look at individual countries…
All you’ve done is move goal posts here, at the end of the day we are 1st in gun ownership and 64th in homicide.
Monsieur_PatateThat's why it's tough to take anything you say seriously, again, you just regurgitate whatever talking point you heard in a source favorable to your desired viewpoint without looking into it any further, you're not capable of thinking critically.
For the record I don't even think we should ban guns, I'd simply be in favor of a licence and a waiting period, that's all (which btw is the model in most of the EU, guns aren't banned altogether there, law abiding citizens can still get guns, they just have to jump through a few hoops to make sure they're responsible gun owners, which I think is just common sense)
Sorry to double respond here but this is rich coming from someone who doesn't even understand that gun laws vary by individual country in Europe and pretty much all of them are extremely restrictive to the point of banning many types of firearms that are common here in the US. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about and saying "you don't take me seriously" just comes across as pure projection from someone who can't back up their claims.
Craw_DaddyDefine “developed country” for us. Is Singapore not a developed country?? Also the last time I checked Europe is not a country lol. The cultural and racial homogeneity of an entire continent is not what I’m talking about. Look at individual countries…
All you’ve done is move goal posts here, at the end of the day we are 1st in gun ownership and 64th in homicide.
Basically the western world, comparable in terms of culture, lifestyle, political and judicial system, etc. Basically EU countries, the US, Canada, that bunch of comparable democracies. But you knew that, you're grasping at straws at this point, that's all you got.
The map referenced shows ethnic diversity per country, not for the whole continent. If you need me to point you to specifics: for example Spain has the same diversity as the US, yet its homicide rate is 0.6 when the US' is 6.3, basically 10x. Some EU countries might have more or less diversity than the US, but they all have a lower homicide rate. I'm basically pointing out that there is no correlation between specifically the homicide rate and the arguments you brought up (diversity, single parent household, tough judicial system, etc.)
At the end of the day you're the one bringing war-ridden/unstable countries into the equation to make you feel better. If your argument is that we're okay because we're doing better than Yemen, I'd say it's a pretty weak argument, pretty desperate even.
The fact remains that the US has both the highest gun ownership rate and the highest murder rate among western countries, and by a lot, that's just a fact.
In what fucking world are you in that CENTRAL FUCKING AFRICA is more diverse than the US. You ever seen some of those countries? I'll give you a hint ,there aren't a whole lot of mexicans and whites walking around there.
Craw_DaddySorry to double respond here but this is rich coming from someone who doesn't even understand that gun laws vary by individual country in Europe and pretty much all of them are extremely restrictive to the point of banning many types of firearms that are common here in the US. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about and saying "you don't take me seriously" just comes across as pure projection from someone who can't back up their claims.
I was born and raised in Europe, I know a thing or two about how things work over there, but thanks for sharing your insights lol.
It seems you have reading comprehension issues, I said "in most of the EU" precisely because not all countries have the same laws, that's why I said 'most'. And I think beyond restrictions, guns might be banned altogether in a couple of countries actually, although I'm not sure, feel free to look into it if you care.
It doesn't change my point though: in most of the EU, you can buy guns, all guns aren't banned, you just have more hoops to jump through, you need a licence, etc. Can you get all the same guns you can purchase here? No, but I didn't say you could. I literately just said "law abiding citizens can still get guns", which is true, they can get guns.
Keep grasping at straws tho, it's entertaining.
Kot123In what fucking world are you in that CENTRAL FUCKING AFRICA is more diverse than the US. You ever seen some of those countries? I'll give you a hint ,there aren't a whole lot of mexicans and whites walking around there.
lmao, Africa is extremely diverse ethnically, in some countries you have literally hundreds of ethnicities, it creates a lot of conflicts, genocide in some places even. You're thinking different ethnicities must have different skin color, that's not the case, ethnicity is more than just skin color.
Monsieur_Patatelmao, Africa is extremely diverse ethnically, in some countries you have literally hundreds of ethnicities, it creates a lot of conflicts, genocide in some places even. You're thinking different ethnicities must have different skin color, that's not the case, ethnicity is more than just skin color.
dude needs to look at a map of Africa that doesn't include the borders Europeans made
Monsieur_Patatelmao, Africa is extremely diverse ethnically, in some countries you have literally hundreds of ethnicities, it creates a lot of conflicts, genocide in some places even. You're thinking different ethnicities must have different skin color, that's not the case, ethnicity is more than just skin color.
Lol I’d also be willing to bet good money that by “Mexicans” he’s referring to everyone from central and South America too.
