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sarcThis was always my dream. I think it's a lot more expensive and they want the public to pay for it so it'd be harder to pass.
Depends on what problem you're trying to solve.
Saturday shitshow:
Gondola makes this much worse.
Parking:
Gondola helps, not a full solution.
Snowy roads:
Gondola helps a lot. Assuming you can get on IT.
Red snake:
Gondola helps a little. Getting rid of that damn pedestrian crossing at the sled hill would be way better.
Make $bank on my shit land at the foot of the canyon at taxpayer expense:
Gondola is the perfect solution.
skiermanWhy are you still posting? Shouldn't you be out there mispresenting peoples' opinions?
last poll had only 20% of people in favor of the gondola, most people def don't want the gondola dude. Go and read UDOT's report with all the public comments if you need confirmation tho.
Monsieur_Patatelast poll had only 20% of people in favor of the gondola, most people def don't want the gondola dude. Go and read UDOT's report with all the public comments if you need confirmation tho.
LOL most people don't want anything to change, you dumb fuck.
skiermanLOL most people don't want anything to change, you dumb fuck.
You're the one who said he was misrepresenting people's opinion.. Regardless of the reason why people don't want the gondola, the fact remains that people do not, in fact, want the gondola, so he didn't misrepresent people's opinion?
Not sure who the dumb fuck is.
Monsieur_PatateYou're the one who said he was misrepresenting people's opinion.. Regardless of the reason why people don't want the gondola, the fact remains that people do not, in fact, want the gondola, so he didn't misrepresent people's opinion?
Not sure who the dumb fuck is.
ProboscisI feel like the gondola will be so fucking slow that no one will use it.
this is it.
to be fair I rarely ski the LCC on weekend storm days. because it's always a shitshow and i'm lucky to have a schedule planned around avoiding it.
but midweek I can leave my house, drive to the bus stop, get on a bus and be in the Collins line or church trailhead in less than an hour total. driving straight from the house cuts it down to about 35min
the gondola estimated travel time was something like 44min to the alta from the base, plus a bus transfer from gravel pit, plus waiting in line at both the bus station/ parking garage/ gondola station. my travel time would be at least 1hr 20min with all that factored in. and I'm fortunate enough to live close to the bottom of both canyons. add another 15min if you're driving from SLC. Call that 1hr 30min minimum, and how is that much better than the current situation with traffic?
if it costs $$$ to ride AND is significantly slower than current options, who is going to use it?
i'm all in on increasing the bus service and access for the bus in the valley. rode the bus for probably 50% of ski days last season and a good amount the two years prior. would need more parking and connections in the valley to support more riders though, the 6200 S lot filled up a lot last year. also need the resorts to actually tell people that their passes include UTA access, they all seem to hide the fact that passholders get to ride for free. even Ikon's. not sure how those deals work between UTA and resorts but that should be something pushed hard by each resort if they truly care about making a change. solitude did a good job with this after they put in the paid parking.
idk. don't think we average folk have much of a say in this anyway
arnie_grapewait so where does this gondola take you and why is it $550M? do the cabins all have hot tubs?
Pretty sure this is going to end up costing $1B or more. This was the estimate from a year and a half ago, construction projects are always underestimated, and on top of that inflation has been insane since then. If it's privately funded then it's not my problem, but if it ends up being public money (as they're hoping) it'd probably be up there as the silliest thing a billion dollar of taxpayer money was ever spent on.
wasatch_ratOh they're trying to expand lifts, but pretty much all the locals are against it. There's a rich history of backcountry skiing in the cottonwood canyons, and people really don't want to see that terrain become inbounds. Iconic spots like chad's gap and pyramid gap, and wolverine cirque should remain backcountry.
Why am I being downvoted? You fuckers really want Grizzly gulch and wolverine cirque to be inbounds? No more shots from chads or pyramid? Whats wrong with ya'll?
wasatch_ratWhy am I being downvoted? You fuckers really want Grizzly gulch and wolverine cirque to be inbounds? No more shots from chads or pyramid? Whats wrong with ya'll?
I want a lift from the driveway of my house to the top of Honeycomb.
wasatch_ratWhy am I being downvoted? You fuckers really want Grizzly gulch and wolverine cirque to be inbounds? No more shots from chads or pyramid? Whats wrong with ya'll?
There seems to be some misconception that this gondola would access terrain that you couldn't get to before. It's not like it'll take you anywhere that your car can't already. It's just meant to be an alternate form of transport to the bases.
Monsieur_PatatePretty sure this is going to end up costing $1B or more. This was the estimate from a year and a half ago, construction projects are always underestimated, and on top of that inflation has been insane since then. If it's privately funded then it's not my problem, but if it ends up being public money (as they're hoping) it'd probably be up there as the silliest thing a billion dollar of taxpayer money was ever spent on.
arnie_grapethank you for answering neither of my questions
The gondola would take you up little cottonwood canyon to Alta and Snowbird so people wouldn't have to drive the often traffic jammed canyon road. It's expensive because it'd be the longest gondola in the world and shit like that is expensive. Unfortunately hot tubs are not part of the plan afaik.
wasatch_ratWhy am I being downvoted? You fuckers really want Grizzly gulch and wolverine cirque to be inbounds? No more shots from chads or pyramid? Whats wrong with ya'll?
You want people to die from avalanches? How many people skiing out of bounds is too many? You know what you are doing so its cool but everyone else is an idiot etc.
SLC is big and ski oriented. Direct flights everywhere. If they doubled the lift serviced terrain (not greens and blues like is goign next to Deer Valley) it would be awesome and there would be no lift lines.
Yo won't half the crowds unless the toll to drive up the canyon is 100 bucks per car. You want that?
PeppermillRenoYou want people to die from avalanches? How many people skiing out of bounds is too many? You know what you are doing so its cool but everyone else is an idiot etc.
SLC is big and ski oriented. Direct flights everywhere. If they doubled the lift serviced terrain (not greens and blues like is goign next to Deer Valley) it would be awesome and there would be no lift lines.
Yo won't half the crowds unless the toll to drive up the canyon is 100 bucks per car. You want that?
this is not true. more lifts will equal more lines. just like more lanes of road will equal more traffic.
DeebieSkeebiesAlso another big question: Can we drink beers on this-said gondola???
any gondola brother, it's written in the z98
"any passenger onboard an enclosed or open circulating passenger ropeway located in or near a ski/snowboard access area is permitted to engage in any of the three (3) S's of the snow resort industry (at any given time); including but not limited to; sliding; substance; sex"
arnie_grapeany gondola brother, it's written in the z98
"any passenger onboard an enclosed or open circulating passenger ropeway located in or near a ski/snowboard access area is permitted to engage in any of the three (3) S's of the snow resort industry (at any given time); including but not limited to; sliding; substance; sex"
PeppermillRenoYou want people to die from avalanches? How many people skiing out of bounds is too many? You know what you are doing so its cool but everyone else is an idiot etc.
SLC is big and ski oriented. Direct flights everywhere. If they doubled the lift serviced terrain (not greens and blues like is goign next to Deer Valley) it would be awesome and there would be no lift lines.
Yo won't half the crowds unless the toll to drive up the canyon is 100 bucks per car. You want that?
gondola just as long as driving. i'd rather drive because i can bring more shit with me and have a place to store shit while i'm there. they'd have to make gondolla free and charge cars to travel up there....??? to effectively limit the cars
DeebieSkeebiesThis could be good for Utah. Snowbird partners with 7/11 as an official sponsor....Damn.
Edit: I will fucking find anyone from marketing who steals my idea so mark my words.
**This post was edited on Sep 10th 2022 at 9:27:25pm
See this guy gets it
In all seriousness though, I think part of the reason this is the chosen solution is because, in theory, it works even when the road shuts down. I could easily see days where it’s “gondola only” when avy risk is high. Trying to keep the road open on storm days is an enormous and expensive burden, and sometimes it’s straight up impossible. Cars have been hit before, and I’ve been stuck in multi day interlodges more than once. The gondola could ease some of the strain on udot
This is so fucking stupid. How have they not considered induced demand. Gondola won’t improve traffic situation what so ever. All it will do is increase lift lines on peak visitation days when the the red snake will still be snaking and the gondola will allow for 15% additional people up the canyon. The only sensible solution is tolling at approx. $25 a car and a vastly improved free bus system with multiple stops throughout the canyons recreation areas running year round. The problem is primarily wealthy skiers have been socialized to believe buses are for poor people and refuse to ride them while a gondola is a shiny toy that suits them better. I know I’d much rather drive up on my own on a powder day and go back to the parking lot for midday bong rips and a snack but if they charge $25 u bet ur ass I’ll be on the bus. Change is hard and politically unpopular but its gotta be done. Vastly improved bus system with $25 tolls for cars is the best solution for environment and traffic. Oh and on the two days a yr the road gets shut down by avy’s let the lucky few enjoy their interlodge and go ski the foothills like a man.
Roast me!
We need to bring hitch-hiking up LCC back this year. Everyone with a pick-up truck in LCC needs to contribute to our great effort to save ski bumming and help the boys out. People have been kinda weird about hitch-hiking since of that COVID thing or whatever but we all just need to get together and save this canyon once and for all.
**This post was edited on Sep 17th 2022 at 12:27:18am
I'm glad they're able to find $550 million to build this thing but for whatever reason can't afford to pay their bus drivers or resort workers. Classic Utah.
DeebieSkeebiesI'm glad they're able to find $550 million to build this thing but for whatever reason can't afford to pay their bus drivers or resort workers. Classic Utah.
It's literally just that. They claim "labor shortage", but it's really them not wanting to pay the drivers more.
labor shortage or worker shortage really means wage shortage. people will work the job but its gotta be worthwhile. living in SLC is expensive and making $21/hr to drive on canyon roads aint it for a lot of people.
programmed_robotlabor shortage or worker shortage really means wage shortage. people will work the job but its gotta be worthwhile. living in SLC is expensive and making $21/hr to drive on canyon roads aint it for a lot of people.
This also. The only ones who are able to afford it are those who have seniority and have been there long enough to earn a livable wage which is fine, but that puts their departments (and especially Ski Patrol outfits) in a really shitty spot to already go into the season understaffed. No longer can we complain about things not being open because resorts simply don't have the staff to safely open terrain.
Ya was v disappointed to see the news about cuts to ski bus service. I’m planning on moving to salt lake this winter and my main motivation is that I’ll be able to ski/mtb with minimal use of car. They aren’t moving in the right direction though especially since they had announced that they would be increasing bus service until dumb ganjola is put in and now seem to be doing the opposite. Conspiracy theorist in me wants to believe this is to make bus experience even shittier so folks will support gondola but its more likely that conservative pols in utah just don’t fund UTA enough and as a result their driver pay is shit and so there’s a shortage. All that said it definitely is fair that if there are going to be cuts it should be to ski bus and not lines that serve poor/working class non skiers.
DeebieSkeebiesThis is not only how this entire state is ran but this goes for ski towns as well. Mormon Mafia shit...
**This post was edited on Sep 30th 2022 at 8:17:01pm
**This post was edited on Oct 1st 2022 at 1:22:09am
